The British Royal Family

EnglishLady

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Sue
I wonder about something.

The government has some approvals by the crown, the crown also is a big part of the law but who is the crown?

Its all in the title Greg - everything used to belong to the Crown, but that now means "the Government".
Our postal service is HM postal service, but actually it belongs to the private Sector.
Its a good seller :eek:



"About Her Majesty's Courts Service
Her Majesty’s Courts Service (HMCS) is an executive agency of the Ministry of Justice (MoJ). Our remit is to deliver justice effectively and efficiently to the public.
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layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
ALL governments are in power at the will of those governed. Most people do not understand that. We, in this country, continue to give up our God given power to the government. VERY foolish.
 

EnglishLady

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I am confused. When I lived there many of my English friends said that while the Families role was mainly ceremonial the Family/Monarchy "retained" the "right" to take control of the government if they saw fit. Did I misunderstand or were they goofy?

LOL so many questions .... I will do my best to answer all of them.

Yes they were/are goofy (to use your word LOL)

As I said before they can advise all they want but that is it.
Prince Philip & Prince Charles have both "had talkings to' about trying to involve themselves in the politics of Britain.
 

layoutshooter

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LOL so many questions .... I will do my best to answer all of them.

Yes they were/are goofy (to use your word LOL)

As I said before they can advise all they want but that is it.
Prince Philip & Prince Charles have both "had talkings to' about trying to involve themselves in the politics of Britain.

Thanks for straightening that out for me. I am trying to remember back 30 years or so. Not an easy task, I often have trouble with yesterday.
 

greg334

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Thanks Sue, I was asking for others who may not understand all of it.

But under British laws, the sovereign is the absolute owner of all the land within the realm that is cared for by the Crown and the people are only "tenet owners" who exercise their transfer rights?
 

EnglishLady

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Refresh our memory, please. What was the nature of those conversations?

The British people were very taken with Diana - she was modern, forward, refreshingly different.

Her openess gave us all a very rare insight into the Clique of the Royal Family.

The slow growing animosity toward the Monachy, I believe started or grew from the time of her divorce from Charles.
Diana was stripped of her all titles and this caused a big furor among the British people..


At the time of her death, the British people feeling the way they did about her, were overwhelmed with shock and grief.

The Royal Family seemed unperturbed.

The people waited, and waited for the Flag over Buckingham Palace to be brought to half mast - this never happened.
And so the peoples feelings grew stronger.

Then the announcement that Diana would not be given a full ceremonial funeral.

Disbelief started to turn to anger amongst the people.

I think it took about a week before the Royal Family broke off their holiday to actually come to London.

This was very nearly the straw that broke the Monarchy.

Tony Blair, somehow managed to persuade HM to relent and so the Royal Family traveled to London, the flag was brought to half mast and a semi-ceremonial funeral took place.
(Full state Ceremony would have included a lying in State of the Princess)
 

EnglishLady

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Thanks Sue, I was asking for others who may not understand all of it.

But under British laws, the sovereign is the absolute owner of all the land within the realm that is cared for by the Crown and the people are only "tenet owners" who exercise their transfer rights?

Once it was the Monarchy, then it was the Church, then back to the Monarchy LOL

Much of the "belongs to the Crown" is history., and as I have said before it is only a name now.
All swans in Britain belong "to the Crown".
All deer in Sherwood Forest (I think thats right) "belong to the Crown"
etc, etc

Such archaic terms LOL
I looked up some laws that we still use today and one that makes me giggle is .....

The black cabs in London are called Hackney Carriages as they used to be horsedrawn carriages.

Even today if a bail of hay is not found in the boot (trunk) of his black cab, the cabbie can be booked :p



Hope this helps.

Who owns Britain? Biggest landowners agree to reveal scale of holdings - Crime, UK - The Independent
 

greg334

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Once it was the Monarchy, then it was the Church, then back to the Monarchy LOL

Much of the "belongs to the Crown" is history.,

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Actually Sue, this is not to dispute you but this was part of a big discussion in Parliament a few years back on the question of autonomy within the borders of England, like what Wales and especially Cornwall have to follow. It was further discussed recently in one of the law review journals which posed a great question - what is Absolute Ownership?

I know that land reforms that started in the late 19th century had a great positive affect on the individual but I heard that there were no repeals of the agreements made starting in 1066 and in 1666 which confirmed the sovereign's right of ownership of the land. Maybe I'm wrong and heard/read something else but it seems that Absolute Ownership is still practiced in some situations.
 

aristotle

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Recently read that President Obama is noticeably absent from the list of invitees to the royal wedding of Prince William and Kate Middleton. Sarkozy's invited. Obama is not. What could account for this deliberate avoidance? I can think of several possibilities.
 

greg334

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Maybe Michelle is not willing to take a back seat to the pomp and this all put a dent in their plans.
 

layoutshooter

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ALMOST right on one thing their Sue. The "Crown" still (or at least 30 years ago did, retain ALL rights to ALL fish AND game in the UK. They can "grant" rights to some to hunt or fish for those species. Often those "grants" for service to the "Crown". Those granted those "rights" are taxed on the commercial value of those rights. IE: The value of the "quality" of the fishing + the estimated value of the number of salmon that pass through their holdings.

Example: "The Altries Water" on the River Dee in Scotland.

The River Dee was known as the "Queen Mother's River" She retained all fishing and shooting rights on all lands that adjoin that river while she was alive. At her death those rights would pass to her hiers.

I like to salmon fish. ALL salmon fishing in England, Scotland and Wales is on a pay as you go basis. The cost is based on the quality of the fishing. Costs are set by the "owner" to cover the costs of the taxes they pay on those "rights", to cover the costs of estate staff and make a profit.

I fished the "Altries Water". The "rights" to that estate were granted to a Col. Campbell, for "service to the Crown"during WWII. "Altries Water" is located near Peterulter, Scotland.

"Good Waters" on ALL salmon rivers in all three countries were beyond the reach of most "common men" due the the extreme cost of fishing them. At that time, "Junction Pool", the confluence of River Twee and Teviot located at Kelso, cost around 1500 pounds PER ROD PER WEEK during the prime fall season. That price did NOT include the use of a "guillie" which was required.

Please forgive all bad spelling, I have enough problems spelling "'Merican" let alone English and "Scottish" :p
 

witness23

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Recently read that President Obama is noticeably absent from the list of invitees to the royal wedding of Prince William and Kate Middleton. Sarkozy's invited. Obama is not. What could account for this deliberate avoidance? I can think of several possibilities.

awwww.....the real reason behind the story reveals itself. lol!

Well done Grosshoppah.
 
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