The American Dream? Disappearing? Maybe

21cExp

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Or as John Hiatt sings:

Gone, like my last paycheck, gone gone away...
Gone, like a Nixon file, gone gone away...
 

OntarioVanMan

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The American Dream is built on an IRS tax deduction?.....that's the dream? that's it?....WTH?....
 

skyraider

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US Navy
And on that note, here's Billy O's take on it.

[video]http://video.foxnews.com/v/1990725320001/a-tale-of-two-americas-california-and-texas/[/video] The Nanny States vs The Texans
 

layoutshooter

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This is just the beginning of the massive tax increases. This is all about redistribution of wealth. Marxists believe that only they know how to manage your life. They don't believe in the "American Dream", the right to self determination. They believe that, other than a few leaders that people are to weak minded to fend for themselves. We are going down the same failed path as Europe. Totally controlled lives. In this country will will take force to install the new order. A LOT of force.
 

OntarioVanMan

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You were all told in writings by the fore fathers that this system was not sustainable as written...without rebellion and/or bloodshed...so far I've seen neither....just the, I'll call or write my Congressman...yippee....
 

layoutshooter

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The time will come. They have not yet ticked off enough people, but they will reach that point, just as the Brits did in 1776. This is a process that unfolds over decades, it is not a news sound bite.
 

runrunner

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The redistributionists will change home ownership in the US forever, once the home owner deduction is gone - it's gone forever.

Mortgage Interest Deduction, Once a Sacred Cow, Is Under Scrutiny - NYTimes.com


Taken on its own, the deduction limit wouldn’t make a huge difference. But it can play an important role in a broad plan to cut the deficit, and shows a willingness to tackle once sacred cows. The tax numbers suggest it may not be hard to structure deduction limits in a way that leaves most middle-income households untouched.
 

layoutshooter

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This is just the first move in a total government take over of the economy. The middle class and the poor will be hit the hardest. There is only ONE way to get rid of the deficit and that is to spend less than we take in. There has never been a income problem, it has always been an over spending problem. The bulk of that over spending goes to vote buying and building the newest of economic class in the U.S. and that class, the dependent class, will soon be the largest class. The more taxes levied the less revenue will be brought in. Higher taxes retard economic activity.
 

aquitted

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I think it's sad the people who had nothing to do with the deficit are the one that will suffer for it while the ones who created it go on their merry way
" Why is the rich man always dancing while the poor man pays the band?"
 

LDB

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If we did away with the IRS as we should it would be a moot point anyway. Put a consumption tax on everything except food and pharmaceuticals and everyone will pay their fair share as they go.
 

Pilgrim

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Congress maintains a level of incompetence that includes profligate spending of other people's money even in the best of times. But factor in a radically liberal socialist POTUS with support from the Democrat controlled Senate and we've got a recipie for some really bad economic legislation. Considering our national debt and our deficits are actually MUCH worse than what's being represented to us, mishandling our economy could result in some serious consequesces like most of us could never imagine - except maybe our senior citizens that grew up in the 1930s.
...For years, the government has gotten by without having to produce the kind of financial statements that are required of most significant for-profit and nonprofit enterprises. The U.S. Treasury "balance sheet" does list liabilities such as Treasury debt issued to the public, federal employee pensions, and post-retirement health benefits. But it does not include the unfunded liabilities of Medicare, Social Security and other outsized and very real obligations."

Cox and Archer: Why $16 Trillion Only Hints at the True U.S. Debt - WSJ.com

We most often hear about the alarming $15.96 trillion national debt (more than 100% of GDP), and the 2012 budget deficit of $1.1 trillion (6.97% of GDP). As dangerous as those numbers are, they do not begin to tell the story of the federal government's true liabilities. The actual liabilities of the federal government—including Social Security, Medicare, and federal employees' future retirement benefits—already exceed $86.8 trillion, or 550% of GDP. For the year ending Dec. 31, 2011, the annual accrued expense of Medicare and Social Security was $7 trillion. Nothing like that figure is used in calculating the deficit. In reality, the reported budget deficit is less than one-fifth of the more accurate figure.
The Great Depression was made great by govt meddling. The Carter misery index in 1980, complete with double-digit inflation and interest rates was achieved with an unemployment rate of ONLY 7.18%. Imagine what would happen under current circumstances if inflation takes off (which is already starting to happen) or a key sector of the struggling economy (like housing) takes a hit.

The people of the Roaring '20s never imagined they would see anything like the Great Depression, and no doubt the current generation of govt parasites have an even worse attitude of taking everything for granted. Top that off with a group of political leaders that don't understand economics, only re-electon campaigns. My suggestion is anyone that has relatives in their 80s or 90s still alive might want to have a talk with them - maybe get some tips about hunting, fishing and growing your own food.
 

skyraider

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US Navy
You were all told in writings by the fore fathers that this system was not sustainable as written...without rebellion and/or bloodshed...so far I've seen neither....just the, I'll call or write my Congressman...yippee....

You mean to tell me that my I pod , 10 g, faster than greased owl sheetze won't get us out of this jam, will mercy me says Step and Fetchet. heres to the good ole days brothers and sisters

 

skyraider

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US Navy
Congress maintains a level of incompetence that includes profligate spending of other people's money even in the best of times. But factor in a radically liberal socialist POTUS with support from the Democrat controlled Senate and we've got a recipie for some really bad economic legislation. Considering our national debt and our deficits are actually MUCH worse than what's being represented to us, mishandling our economy could result in some serious consequesces like most of us could never imagine - except maybe our senior citizens that grew up in the 1930s.

The Great Depression was made great by govt meddling. The Carter misery index in 1980, complete with double-digit inflation and interest rates was achieved with an unemployment rate of ONLY 7.18%. Imagine what would happen under current circumstances if inflation takes off (which is already starting to happen) or a key sector of the struggling economy (like housing) takes a hit.

The people of the Roaring '20s never imagined they would see anything like the Great Depression, and no doubt the current generation of govt parasites have an even worse attitude of taking everything for granted. Top that off with a group of political leaders that don't understand economics, only re-electon campaigns. My suggestion is anyone that has relatives in their 80s or 90s still alive might want to have a talk with them - maybe get some tips about hunting, fishing and growing your own food.

I know them thar folks in Queens NY will be most interested in farming there with all that concrete, but I do understand what yer get'n at.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
" My suggestion is anyone that has relatives in their 80s or 90s still alive might want to have a talk with them - maybe get some tips about hunting, fishing and growing your own food."

Why do you need to talk to people that are 80 or 90? I am only 61. I know how to hunt, how to fish and how to grow my own food. I can't imagine NOT knowing how. Talk about a TOTAL lack of USEFUL education!
:p
 

Pilgrim

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So do I, but how many 20-30-somethings do you think would know where to start if they had to plant a real garden or field dress game? I've got a son-in-law that thinks he's an outdoorsman because he likes to camp and hike. If he had to field dress a deer or skin rabbits he wouldn't know which end of the knife to hold.
 

xiggi

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So do I, but how many 20-30-somethings do you think would know where to start if they had to plant a real garden or field dress game? I've got a son-in-law that thinks he's an outdoorsman because he likes to camp and hike. If he had to field dress a deer or skin rabbits he wouldn't know which end of the knife to hold.

I know plenty of people in that age group who can hunt fish or grow things. I think a lot has to do with more rural compared to city life when one is young. Even my 19 yo daughter can fish if you want to eat flowers she can grow those lol.

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davekc

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With 43M on welfare and climbing, I think some have pretty much given up on the "American dream".
 
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