Thank you for the post from raynchk.
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Removing a post is what the Mods do. EO has customers that pay them to put banners on here so you and me don't have to pay to use this site. If you want all the posts that flame all their Customers to stay. Please make out your checks to EO and send them to Mr. Mc Cord. Membership would be about $149.99 a month. It cost alot to run this site. Maybe EO should start up a Pay member site so all those who join can so what ever they want.
Drive safe
Dave Mayfield
FedEx Custom Critical
14 years as an O/O in Expediting.
Drive safe
Dave Mayfield
FedEx Custom Critical
14 years as an O/O in Expediting.
Mr. Mayfield,
If you believe it cost so much to maintain the “web siteâ€, you are wrong.
Unless you are willing to back up your statement “It cost alot to run this site.†Your post should be removed, “censored†since you offer no “facts†to back up your claims.
Best regards,
Carl “[email protected]"
p.s I can back up my statement.
If you believe it cost so much to maintain the “web siteâ€, you are wrong.
Unless you are willing to back up your statement “It cost alot to run this site.†Your post should be removed, “censored†since you offer no “facts†to back up your claims.
Best regards,
Carl “[email protected]"
p.s I can back up my statement.
FAMILYEXPDT
Seasoned Expediter
Just to be a pain in the a**...Carl how much bandwidth do you suppose this site uses? How much does bandwidth cost? How many mbs are used for this entire site...what do you think that costs? How about the person paid for web design? How about the continual updates in the web design? What about the forum hosting? What about the hard copy magazine that associates this site? What do you think that costs to print and distribute? If it all does not cost that much did you just volunteer to cover the costs? Terry can you send me rays original post at [email protected] please? I am always curious as to what is being blamed on Panther now vs accountability for ones own business practices or lack thereof. Thanks in advance.
-charlotte
-charlotte
To the extent that it matters, and it probably does not, I saw the post in question before it was removed. Panther competes against my carrier (FedEx Custom Critical) so I have no feathers ruffled when a Panther-negative post goes up. However, my feathers do get ruffled when I see a baseless and defamatory post go up. That degrades the quality of life on the Open Forum for everyone. The moderators were right to delete the post; and gracious, I thought, in giving the poster the opportunity to substantiate his statments before they did.
He didn't. They did. Right decision.
He didn't. They did. Right decision.
arkjarhead
Veteran Expediter
You know plain and simply put the mods have a job to do and they do it.It's a thankless job. If you want to bad mouth a company and get by with it get a web cam and post a video airing your greviances on youtube.com. They don't care what you post. This is the reason why the mods care what you post. Because the pot gets stirred and people don't want to drop it and move on, and then nothing constructive gets discussed. So just drop it. Thanks
greg334
Veteran Expediter
First off Charlotte you stole my opener
Second, Carl, no disrespect but there is no democracy in this virtual world and this is not censorship.
This site, like many others are owned privately, which is ok and the norm. I have a site out there for ecommerce software (yes I own the site, the servers and the software on the site) where I have had turned over the management of the site to others who are ruthless in deleting posts (on the forum) and comments (on the blog) that differ with my idea of helpful information – yes there is no democracy, it is a dictatorship but the contributors have yet to complain.
Baseless?
Defamatory?
BS.
I read the post before anyone replied to it, it was not what I would call detrimental to this site or the advertiser but lacked information. From the point of view of the poster, it was the correct thing to do - posting something that happened to them (allegedly) but from the point of view of the administrator and moderators, it lacked constructive criticism and information about the specific situation of that person. Whether or not it is true, does not matter, what matters is that (from my uniformed point of view) there was no attempt made to post all information that pertained to the subject of how and why Panther sucks.
Some worry about defamation, either libel (harmful statement in a fixed medium, that is in written from) and slander (harmful statement in a transitory form, a form of speech), but here is something to remember – outside of any real confidential information being passed on through this site or other sites in the form of a post, there is little chance of a defamation case being formed based on a single post by a company who’s business is not dependent on the advertising on this site. What this also means is one’s opinion or the opinion of many is not something that could be construed to be damaging to the companies overall performance in the market place. It is the damage that is the issue, not the statement.
AND
I have had several people threaten to sue me, a website owner, for what others have said about them. I made no attempt to delete the posts for one reason – my legal advisors told me that there is no chance for a suit to take place and they backed it up with telling me that they will cover all the cost and damages if I would ever go to court, a lot of confidence to write this statement from any firm.
Second, Carl, no disrespect but there is no democracy in this virtual world and this is not censorship.
This site, like many others are owned privately, which is ok and the norm. I have a site out there for ecommerce software (yes I own the site, the servers and the software on the site) where I have had turned over the management of the site to others who are ruthless in deleting posts (on the forum) and comments (on the blog) that differ with my idea of helpful information – yes there is no democracy, it is a dictatorship but the contributors have yet to complain.
Baseless?
Defamatory?
BS.
I read the post before anyone replied to it, it was not what I would call detrimental to this site or the advertiser but lacked information. From the point of view of the poster, it was the correct thing to do - posting something that happened to them (allegedly) but from the point of view of the administrator and moderators, it lacked constructive criticism and information about the specific situation of that person. Whether or not it is true, does not matter, what matters is that (from my uniformed point of view) there was no attempt made to post all information that pertained to the subject of how and why Panther sucks.
Some worry about defamation, either libel (harmful statement in a fixed medium, that is in written from) and slander (harmful statement in a transitory form, a form of speech), but here is something to remember – outside of any real confidential information being passed on through this site or other sites in the form of a post, there is little chance of a defamation case being formed based on a single post by a company who’s business is not dependent on the advertising on this site. What this also means is one’s opinion or the opinion of many is not something that could be construed to be damaging to the companies overall performance in the market place. It is the damage that is the issue, not the statement.
AND
I have had several people threaten to sue me, a website owner, for what others have said about them. I made no attempt to delete the posts for one reason – my legal advisors told me that there is no chance for a suit to take place and they backed it up with telling me that they will cover all the cost and damages if I would ever go to court, a lot of confidence to write this statement from any firm.
MoonProwler
Seasoned Expediter
geez!!!!
See everyone, I came back, made a reply, and they shut down post all together.
Dave for your reply to what I posted. Since when does anyone have to be a registered member to come to this forum and read posts? And since when does a registered member have to sign in to come read posts in this forum? This is a prime example of how you run your mouth without thought!
The fact is that all moderators in this forum dont want info shared between drivers. Most posts anymore in this forum are made by moderators.
It is laughable to know yall are scared of my truthfull posts!
Its your job to keep members from going after each other in here, not to remove posts just because you have had a bad day.
Couple of questions though. Since it was brought up. Is this site privately owned or company owned? Are yall being paid off by companies to remove all the posts yall remove?
See everyone, I came back, made a reply, and they shut down post all together.
Dave for your reply to what I posted. Since when does anyone have to be a registered member to come to this forum and read posts? And since when does a registered member have to sign in to come read posts in this forum? This is a prime example of how you run your mouth without thought!
The fact is that all moderators in this forum dont want info shared between drivers. Most posts anymore in this forum are made by moderators.
It is laughable to know yall are scared of my truthfull posts!
Its your job to keep members from going after each other in here, not to remove posts just because you have had a bad day.
Couple of questions though. Since it was brought up. Is this site privately owned or company owned? Are yall being paid off by companies to remove all the posts yall remove?
Greg,
I agree...I always figure everyone is entitled to their opinion which we all have whether anyone agrees or not. Posts like that should be left for everyone to see and draw their own conclusions. Someone else said that every company out there has good points and bad including the ones we all work for, so the man was just airing his feelings and experiences as to what happened to him with Panther. I hope you haven't run the guy off the forum as he could have some valuable information to input at sometime or another in the future. Sorry if I ruffled any feathers. It wasn't my intentions. Everyone wants to know they can have freedom of speach no matter where they are even if it is on a forum. Maybe the guy will take the time to try and explain and give proof to what he wrote at a later date.
Carl
I agree...I always figure everyone is entitled to their opinion which we all have whether anyone agrees or not. Posts like that should be left for everyone to see and draw their own conclusions. Someone else said that every company out there has good points and bad including the ones we all work for, so the man was just airing his feelings and experiences as to what happened to him with Panther. I hope you haven't run the guy off the forum as he could have some valuable information to input at sometime or another in the future. Sorry if I ruffled any feathers. It wasn't my intentions. Everyone wants to know they can have freedom of speach no matter where they are even if it is on a forum. Maybe the guy will take the time to try and explain and give proof to what he wrote at a later date.
Carl
RE: geez!!!!
A couple of points. One, I read this site for a long, long time before I became a registered member. There are others who visit regularly and will never register, so someone who hasn't been registered for very long could very well have been reading the site for years.
Two, Panther sux. We all know it, so let's admit it. Then again, most every carrier sux, so Panther hardly has a monopoly there. The key is to run your business sux-essfully in spite of how badly your carrier sux. If you can't do that then you need to find another carrier that sux in different ways, in ways that you can live with.
Also, I can't believe a "freedom of speech" post that I had nothing to do with, much less even got to read, got deleted. How do you expect me to bash Dreamer if I don't know what I'm bashing him about? Sheesh.
Slow and steady, even in expediting, wins the race - Aesop
A couple of points. One, I read this site for a long, long time before I became a registered member. There are others who visit regularly and will never register, so someone who hasn't been registered for very long could very well have been reading the site for years.
Two, Panther sux. We all know it, so let's admit it. Then again, most every carrier sux, so Panther hardly has a monopoly there. The key is to run your business sux-essfully in spite of how badly your carrier sux. If you can't do that then you need to find another carrier that sux in different ways, in ways that you can live with.
Also, I can't believe a "freedom of speech" post that I had nothing to do with, much less even got to read, got deleted. How do you expect me to bash Dreamer if I don't know what I'm bashing him about? Sheesh.
Slow and steady, even in expediting, wins the race - Aesop
RE: geez!!!!
Moon Prowler
Dave for your reply to what I posted. Since when does anyone have to be a registered member to come to this forum and read posts? And since when does a registered member have to sign in to come read posts in this forum?
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I don't believe they do. Someone could have been just reading for years.
However, the ones that whine and constantly complain, seldom remain silent. Gee, maybe your that RARE exception? With 22 posts and most of them of a negative nature, I think that effort, or lack there of, speaks for itself.
Ok...yawn
>The fact is that all moderators in this forum dont want info
>shared between drivers.
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Oh my........a bigger yawn
But......thanks for your efforts in moderating the moderators.
I am touched by your true dedication to task.
Davekc
owner
23 years
PantherII
EO moderator
Moon Prowler
Dave for your reply to what I posted. Since when does anyone have to be a registered member to come to this forum and read posts? And since when does a registered member have to sign in to come read posts in this forum?
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I don't believe they do. Someone could have been just reading for years.
However, the ones that whine and constantly complain, seldom remain silent. Gee, maybe your that RARE exception? With 22 posts and most of them of a negative nature, I think that effort, or lack there of, speaks for itself.
Ok...yawn
>The fact is that all moderators in this forum dont want info
>shared between drivers.
=====================================
Oh my........a bigger yawn
But......thanks for your efforts in moderating the moderators.
I am touched by your true dedication to task.
Davekc
owner
23 years
PantherII
EO moderator
silverdollar
Expert Expediter
RE: geez!!!!
I don`t know for sure but I think that the Mods and Admin on this site probably at one time worked for FedEx, Maybe that is where they got the idea that they have to hold every ones hand and lead them around.:9
I don`t know for sure but I think that the Mods and Admin on this site probably at one time worked for FedEx, Maybe that is where they got the idea that they have to hold every ones hand and lead them around.:9
RE: geez!!!!
Thank you Silverdollar, we appreciate the recognition.
Thank you Silverdollar, we appreciate the recognition.
MoonProwler
Seasoned Expediter
Enough Said
Thats what Ive known, and all I needed to hear/read.
Thank you SilverDollar.
Thats what Ive known, and all I needed to hear/read.
Thank you SilverDollar.
Carl.. I just got back online this morning and onto the EO forum. I would have been happy to send you my original post, but fact of the matter is I don't have a copy. I just post directly to the forum without saving a copy. Today was the first I'd heard about a "60 minutes to reply with substantial facts..." and didn't realize I'd caused so much controversy. I don't have 24-7 access to the internet, one of these days, I'll get an account, but for now, I'm forced to use motels, Panera's Bread, and anywhere else I can find a hotspot.
A couple of points:
1st: My original Panther Sux post was not well written, well thought out or concise. After a very difficult week of waiting for a load in Laredo in the Texas heat and then a long run to MI from Brownsville, I was tired.
When I got to my motel after dinner with friends, I opened up my email and got the final(email) statement from Panther that went something like this:
TOTAL PAY AMOUNT: 1,376.85
TOTAL CREDITS : 374.00
LOAD ADVANCES : 616.77
TOTAL DEDUCTIONS: 1,070.27
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TOTAL NET PAY : 63.81
(Bear in mind that there has been 50.00 held out of each weekly settlement for the past 4 months)
I was charged for insurance fees and escrows AFTER I'd already left Panther, not to mention my $250 sign-on fee...
Long story short, I think there were erroneous deductions made When I left Panther, I was unable to talk with anyone about what my final settlement would be. I tried calling Payroll but each time I called there were long hold times and I didn't feel like adding to an already overworked cell phone bill.
2nd: This may have been the most contentious part of my post. My opinion is that Panther has a business model that uses driver turnover to supplement their low freight rates; a plan which creates an extremely difficult situation for Panther drivers. I realize this is an opinion and I don't have access to board meetings, accounting policies/procedures, etc.. to substantiate the statement.
Finally, I think the EO forums are a great thing. I believe everyone who's driving out there should have a wealth of information available to them. The owner of this site has done a good job of providing information, but I do see an an element of sychophancy with the big carriers. I also an familiar with the old adage of "take their money, take their sh**..." in other words, don't do/say anything which might cause an advertiser to withhold dollars.
I propose an Expediters Organization that deals specifically with expedite drivers, perhaps similar to OOIDA. I would certainly be willing to pay a membership fee. Maybe the owner of Expediters ONline would be interested in facilitating such an organization?
A couple of points:
1st: My original Panther Sux post was not well written, well thought out or concise. After a very difficult week of waiting for a load in Laredo in the Texas heat and then a long run to MI from Brownsville, I was tired.
When I got to my motel after dinner with friends, I opened up my email and got the final(email) statement from Panther that went something like this:
TOTAL PAY AMOUNT: 1,376.85
TOTAL CREDITS : 374.00
LOAD ADVANCES : 616.77
TOTAL DEDUCTIONS: 1,070.27
-----------
TOTAL NET PAY : 63.81
(Bear in mind that there has been 50.00 held out of each weekly settlement for the past 4 months)
I was charged for insurance fees and escrows AFTER I'd already left Panther, not to mention my $250 sign-on fee...
Long story short, I think there were erroneous deductions made When I left Panther, I was unable to talk with anyone about what my final settlement would be. I tried calling Payroll but each time I called there were long hold times and I didn't feel like adding to an already overworked cell phone bill.
2nd: This may have been the most contentious part of my post. My opinion is that Panther has a business model that uses driver turnover to supplement their low freight rates; a plan which creates an extremely difficult situation for Panther drivers. I realize this is an opinion and I don't have access to board meetings, accounting policies/procedures, etc.. to substantiate the statement.
Finally, I think the EO forums are a great thing. I believe everyone who's driving out there should have a wealth of information available to them. The owner of this site has done a good job of providing information, but I do see an an element of sychophancy with the big carriers. I also an familiar with the old adage of "take their money, take their sh**..." in other words, don't do/say anything which might cause an advertiser to withhold dollars.
I propose an Expediters Organization that deals specifically with expedite drivers, perhaps similar to OOIDA. I would certainly be willing to pay a membership fee. Maybe the owner of Expediters ONline would be interested in facilitating such an organization?
Raynchk,
Your experience with “Panther†brings to light that not everyone is living the “good life†as seems to be the general feel form the EO forum.
I requested, and did receive your original post. It was not the inflammatory post that was implied by those who removed it.
It is unfortunate your post was prejudiced and removed.
Best regards,
Carl
Your experience with “Panther†brings to light that not everyone is living the “good life†as seems to be the general feel form the EO forum.
I requested, and did receive your original post. It was not the inflammatory post that was implied by those who removed it.
It is unfortunate your post was prejudiced and removed.
Best regards,
Carl