Canada Super Singles / Permit

[TeamCaffee]

We were listening to Business and Beyond the other night and a Canadian called in that had just received a $1,100.00 fine in Quebec for not having a permit for Super Singles. From what I understand the legal weight you can haul with S/S is pretty minimal unless you have the permit. He was overweight for a single tire and no permit.

From the tone of the call and after a few questions to Kevin Rutherford at a different time it sounds as if most of the provinces require this permit. Ontario is not one if I understand correctly.

Have you guys heard of this permit and if so what is the weight and where do you buy the permit? Is the permit good for the year or just single use?

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Have you stopped in at a scale house and inquired?

 

[moose]

All i did is goggle it ...
Here you go , Linda.

http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/traffops/permits/pdf_documents/cac/CTPAC-Axle-Width-Min-Single-Tire.pdf

Just call the 800 #.
Maybe the Michelin guy will know ...

I heve them on my truck , not that i will drive them north of the border , so please let us know...




Moose.
M.N

 

[TeamCaffee]

I need the rules for Canada as it looks as if we need a permit for many of the provinces.
No OVM I have not checked with a scale house in Canada just learned of this permit. I do not want to accept a load into Quebec and have this problem and have to buy the permit as I am sure the load will not pay enough to do this. If we do have to buy a permit I would like to know about it before we accept a load not after we accept a load.

 

[moose]

Do you run S.S on your St. Truck ?




Moose.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

heres some rules....interestiing reading...about allowable weights on SS tires....BUT no mention of any permit as the tires are allowed.....

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By the look of the allowable weights you have no worries....

Remember they are talking kilograms...not pounds...

2.2 kilos = 1 pound

The province still has a bit to go if it's going to match Quebec, which became the first Canadian province to eliminate the weight penalty for using single wide-based tires in Canada. By raising the standard from 8,000 to 9,000 kg and thereby removing the 1,000 kg penalty, Quebec truckers can now interchange wide-base tires or dual tires under the same load standards.

Ontario, which at the start of 2006 also increased its super single limit from 6,000 kg to 8,000 per axle, is currently testing wide-base tires before making a decision to follow Quebec and allow full parity.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Since PQ has parity of the tires now...he would have been over weight with regular duallys as well...

 

[TeamCaffee]

Yes Moose we have S/S and have had them for several years now.

 

[piper1]

US legal weights are OK with single tires in ON and QC. Out west I'm not sure of. Michelin (Michelin Canada anyways) has all the latest info available if you phone them, they have the driving force in getting Quebec and Ontario to wake up and realize these tires are a "good" thing. There are a lot of Quebec carriers running these tires on US spec (80k lbs) TT's (DFS, Robert, some Transforce co's)

If you don't get any answers PM me Linda, I'll phone my old Michelin rep and get some answers for you.

 

[DesertHorse]

US legal weights are OK with single tires in ON and QC. Out west I'm not sure of. Michelin (Michelin Canada anyways) has all the latest info available if you phone them, they have the driving force in getting Quebec and Ontario to wake up and realize these tires are a "good" thing. There are a lot of Quebec carriers running these tires on US spec (80k lbs) TT's (DFS, Robert, some Transforce co's)

If you don't get any answers PM me Linda, I'll phone my old Michelin rep and get some answers for you.

keep in mind in spring the axle weight change in Quebec for period of 3 month or so(even with permit) its called the THAW period, google it.if you driving a single axle or tandem , you have to have IRP plate with Quebec listed on it,the THAW law applie for IRP plate too.

 

[TeamCaffee]

I been reading a little on the THAW period and how that affects the widebases singles and a permit.

 

[pelicn]

We were stopped at a scalehouse in Quebec a few months ago and they asked if we had a permit for running SS. After a weight check, said we didn't need one. We only had about 500lbs on.

 

[TeamCaffee]

Interesting on that issue as the permit is not cheap it sounds like.

 

[Poorboy]

heres some rules....interestiing reading...about allowable weights on SS tires....BUT no mention of any permit as the tires are allowed.....

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By the look of the allowable weights you have no worries....

Remember they are talking kilograms...not pounds...

2.2 kilos = 1 pound

The province still has a bit to go if it's going to match Quebec, which became the first Canadian province to eliminate the weight penalty for using single wide-based tires in Canada. By raising the standard from 8,000 to 9,000 kg and thereby removing the 1,000 kg penalty, Quebec truckers can now interchange wide-base tires or dual tires under the same load standards.

Ontario, which at the start of 2006 also increased its super single limit from 6,000 kg to 8,000 per axle, is currently testing wide-base tires before making a decision to follow Quebec and allow full parity.

I Believe that 2.2 Pounds = 1 Kilo

 

[OntarioVanMan]

I Believe that 2.2 Pounds = 1 Kilo

opps.....got that backwards....thanks...I hate metric anyhow...

 

[FIS53]

Metric is so much simpler than imperial or US measurements. it's all based on base 10.
Anywho on the SS part I saw a sprinter 3500 with large singles on. It kinda looked funny as the tires sat inboard so much. If those were more outboard and then cut the wheelwells out you could make the floor much wider there for skids.
Rob