Sprinter Myths

dhalltoyo

Veteran Expediter
Let me begin by saying that I understand a Sprinter has the potential for carrying more cargo, depending on how it is configured, as opposed to a regular cargo van. In certain applications it makes senses to opt for a Sprinter.

Obviously, package delivery services have moved toward placing the Sprinter into their fleets; FedEx and UPS can attest to this fact. Service providers such as locksmiths, electricians, plumbers, appliance repair persons, etc. all benefit from the Sprinter’s higher roof line. To put it bluntly, it saves one from have to work in a stooped over position; thus alleviating back strain or bumping your head! Yes, it will accommodate more packages than a regular cargo van and you access the cargo with greater ease. And, if you do not install a packaged sleeper unit, you can load three skids.

Does the cost per the return justify the additional expense when considering a Sprinter for use in expediting?

Without a nice sleeper package, the 2007 High Roof Extended Sprinter, with decent options, runs about $44,000. Add the sleeper package and you begin to approach the territory of straight truck purchase prices. I spoke with a major Sprinter dealership today and the sales rep told me that the average cost for a 2007 Sprinter with the sleeper is approximately $49,000. I could buy a nice “C†unit with a 48†sleeper for $60,000.

At this present time, if you want the ultimate level of comfort in a cargo van the Sprinter is the way to go. If you opt for the sleeper that will limit your cargo bay capacity to only 2 skids. That is fine, if comfort is your goal, but even if you could carry three skids what is the reality that you will see very many three skid loads and will carriers offer you an increased rate for having the capacity? Better yet, they may advertise the rate, but do they actually pay the rate?

Why do some carriers offer the same rate for Sprinters as a conventional cargo van?

First, many consider the operational cost of a Sprinter to be lower due to its higher MPG average; therefore, in their way of thinking, it is an immediate financial benefit for the Sprinter O/O.

Second, they believe the Sprinter O/O will pick up a few extra loads over the conventional 48"H regular cargo van simply by default and that is another financial gain for the Sprinter O/O.

Third, they don't have to pay an increased rate; hence, many do not offer an increased rate.

Finally, only one out of 50-75 loads are ever a three skid cargo van load according to the shippers and Sprinter O/O's that I have spoken with. It seems that even those bin, or tub, loads, that are taller than 48â€, were far and few between.

I recently spent some time on the phone with a Sprinter O/O who was previously with a carrier who offered an incentive for certain Sprinter loads. Over the course of 12 months she ran 6 loads that paid the incentive rate of $1.00/mile, but 90% of her loads were not even at the carrier's advertised cargo van rate. They were a reduced "Major Account Rate" at 70 cents/mile. She switched to a carrier that paid her 75 cents/mile, (because she has less than 9’ of cargo space) increased FSC's, other deadhead paid miles and regular freight availability with minimal deadhead miles. She told me that her income has almost doubled. Essentially she has a glorified cargo van. And for her needs, that is perfectly fine. She wanted the nice sleeper and it fulfills a personal requirement.

Some carriers have sold potential O/O’s on the concept that their income will be vastly greater if they would purchase a Sprinter. I have yet to see any verifiable data from an O/O to support that claim. In fact, I have seen the pro bills that substantiate my position regarding the Sprinter’s cost per the return. While it certainly affords the carrier more revenue capability, simply because they can take some “C†class freight and forego the HOS limitations, the number of Sprinters in the pool markedly diminishes the O/O’s chances to get those loads on a regular basis.

Would I buy a Sprinter? Actually, I will probably buy a SRW Aerocell. It will only have a two skid capacity, but it will have additional height in the cargo area and that is something that I require for personal comfort. Maybe, then I will be able to stand up and put my pants on without falling over; not to mention that I will spend $15,000 less.
 

terryandrene

Veteran Expediter
Safety & Compliance
US Coast Guard
David. That 2007 Sprinter 2500 extended has a possibility of 9.5 feet of cargo space plus a 5 foot deep sleeper area. The one I saw was very nicly done and scaled empty at 7000 + pounds. Plenty of room but only an available weight capacity of less than 1700 pounds.
 

dhalltoyo

Veteran Expediter
Terry,

Yes, the sales rep told me that the 2007 extended would have 9.5 feet of cargo space with the sleeper that is larger than the conventional one. He went on to say that they developed the larger sleeper, because there was no way that three skids would fit even with the original size sleeper, so they decided to utilize the additional space by installing a deluxe sleeper.

Makes for a great cargo van, but pushing $50,000 and with diesel running over $3.00/gal, personally, I would have to have some guarantee on my return; maybe a dedicated route. Alas, there doesn't seem to be any guarantees left anymore.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
There's a company, I believe in PA, that modified the Sprinter 3500 wheelwells to accept 48" skids. I've heard that isn't possible on the new ones but don't know why. I've always thought the only way to go is 3500/3500/350 depending on which of the 3 brands one looked at. I'd like to see the 60" Sprinter sleeper. Anyone know if it's online anywhere? Even considering that, I still think an Aerocell is the best choice for capacity plus comfort since it's wide enough that with a bed across the nose you don't have to bend your knees to sleep in it. The Aerocell SRW is probably next, especially if you can hire Dieseldoctor to outfit it for you.

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OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Well David....I don't know who your reference is for load totals but since your using the .70 It's got to be an E-1 as thats there NLM rate for cargo vans. And yes I've taken them. I am at a loss to WHY your comparing anyhow? The Sprinter is just a cargo van that happens to be able to take on an extra skid or bin when available. People are putting to much emphasis on this point. Personally we bought ours for comfort after 4 years in a tuna can we felt we deserved a little luxury. Plus the opportunity to pick up some extra cash....and during slow times it really helps to move to the top of the list!!
I can honestly say since at E-1 the percentage of Sprinter paid runs have been over 50% far higher then I expected.
And what price does one put on comfort? There has to be value in that equation.

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dhalltoyo

Veteran Expediter
Good one!

No, it is getting up in the morning and trying stand up in a regular cargo van while putting them on.:)

OVM,

Thanks for the info about Express 1.

Actually, I wasn't thinking of them as there are others that have discounted Major Account Rates. Some adjust the per mile rate and some adjust the FSC. Personally, I would not do either. Let some one else run that freight at reduced rates. When the shipper begins to experience difficulties with XYZ Freight Company because of late and/or damaged shipments they will reconsider the few pennies that they were trying to save.

FACT: I'll gladly show you the BOL's that plainly indicate the shipment was originally going to a substandard carrier, but due to difficulties with that carrier, a critical shipment was placed into my van. I always ask the shipping clerk why the BOL has another carriers name listed. More often than not, the reply is, "We need to make sure this one gets there on time." Just like a restaurant, "You pay for good service!"
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
FACT: I'll gladly show you the BOL's that plainly indicate the shipment was originally going to a substandard carrier, but due to difficulties with that carrier, a critical shipment was placed into my van. I always ask the shipping clerk why the BOL has another carriers name listed. More often than not, the reply is, "We need to make sure this one gets there on time." Just like a restaurant, "You pay for good service!"

Reverend David Hall

David...I too have seen this happen. Its weird they'd use company "A" for regular expedite and use company "B" for those critical shipments. Its like there's another level of expedite service starting to surface.
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Do these B.O.L.'s originally have another expedite carriers name or an LTL carriers name? Sales reps for LTL carriers hand out b.o.l.'s with their companies name on it by the ream.
 

terryandrene

Veteran Expediter
Safety & Compliance
US Coast Guard
Here's an explanation for the BOL name change that we have observed many times, mostly on the losing end. The customer has several shipments to get out before the end of the day. They may call an expediter that will commit to a load for later pickup and then spend a portion of the rest of the day calling around for cheaper tariffs. They know they have up to 90 minutes before the scheduled pickup time to cancel without penalty. If they can find a cheaper carrier then they can cancel the expedite carrier with the premium rates.
 

raynchk

Seasoned Expediter
That 44,000 seems a little high... Maybe there were some exceptional options on it. I bought an '07 with extended/high roof for $36,500 or so. I don't think I'd put the sleeper option in, but I guess that's a matter of personal preference. I also don't have the bulkheads, but may spring for an espar heater this winter.

I'm pleased with the Sprinter so far, it's comfortable and a pleasure to drive. I average around 21 but can get 24-25 if I slow down to 60mph. The biggest negative I've seen so far is service and parts availability.

The 07 is a lot different from previous years, bigger, V-6, new dash, etc... Haven't seen any 08's yet.
 

dhalltoyo

Veteran Expediter
Moot,

Mine are generic BOL's, generally from small machine shops, that have the carrier's name typed in.
 

davekc

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Fleet Owner
After reading all this I have to wonder on the return of investment. Almost like the dry van verses the reefer debate.
We have no vans, so I am assuming one figures with the additional fuel economy and maybe a change at a better load, you come out ahead, even at a much higher truck purchase price. Additional maintenance likely has to be considered as well.
A quick run through the calculator and I show a standard van at $25,000 a much better ROI than a $44,000 Sprinter. $19,000 buys a whole lot of fuel.
What am I missing?














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terryandrene

Veteran Expediter
Safety & Compliance
US Coast Guard
22 diesel vs 16 gas mpg for 500K miles at todays average and the fuel cost is just about a wash
 

davekc

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Fleet Owner
That was kinda what I was thinking as I read some of these posts, and trying to follow the logic behind the purchase.
I try to follow the pennies, and I am struggling on this one.











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LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I suspect the comfort from the stand up headroom, while an intangible, is still a large factor.

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davekc

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Very true. I thought about that as well. A Turtle top on a standard runs about 3500.....right? Not sure.

That would put that variance at $15,500
Still buys a lot of fuel.










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dhalltoyo

Veteran Expediter
But it is not 16MPG versus 22MPG.

Remember, I had a 2006 Duramax and a 2008 6.0L both.

The Durmax could get 22MPG, but my 6.0L (at 1900 rpm) gets 20.5MPG.

Moreover, FSC's are based upon diesel prices; currently 24 cents per gallon or more than unleaded! I am getting a FSC based upon a scale utilizing a price factor of $3.09, but I just filled up at $2.57.

The math formula is slightly more intricate than a quick glance at the minimal MPG difference. Moreover, my maintenance costs where much higher on the diesel engine. Even a simple oil change was $49.95 on the diesel, but it is only $32.95 on the 6.0L and that is only one small example.

Considering the 2008 6.0L performance levels (ECM operates much leaner), and taking into account the vastly higher price of a Sprinter, you are going to pay a hefty price for that level of comfort. If you can afford it, help yourself.

As a former automotive salesperson, it still amazes me how easy it is to push a consumer's hot buttons and watch them purchase a vehicle that they really do not need, nor can they afford. Even when it came to compact cars, we would have folks dropping off their keys, and initiating a voluntary repossession. Why? Because some other dealership, in some other town, some place in America, had a really good salesperson who pushed the right buttons. In the face of of unrefutable evidence, and statistics, everyone still has the liberty to make an unwarrented decision.
 

davekc

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As a former automotive salesperson, it still amazes me how easy it is to push a consumer's hot buttons and watch them purchase a vehicle that they really do not need, nor can they afford. Even when it came to compact cars, we would have folks dropping off their keys, and initiating a voluntary repossession
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You are so right. I don't think there is a month that goes by with someone that calls that is upside down on a truck that they paid too much money for and wants to sell it.










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geo

Veteran Expediter
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Retired Expediter
US Navy
l have just gotten my 2nd sprinter
it is 12'' taller 12'' longer 3 '' wider in wheel's
able to put 4 1/2 pallets down the middle
carry 3200 lbs , but run mostly around 2500
sents getting my new sprinter have double my daily income
i run mostly local so don't have it set up with a sleeper
biggest thing i like about sprinter is only have to stop at scales if it say all commical vch and no log's and if have carry hazmat and put out signs and log for over 1,000 lbs won't carry it

on 07 3500 sprinter , why wheel wells can't be cut out is 16'' wheel's
and only 37'' between the wheel wells
and comes in at 11,030 lbs
 
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