Speed Limiters

[FIS53]

If you think the speed limiter is bad they are also adding in the no using electronic devices law as well. It'll be tabled this coming week and if everyone who said they'll back it does it could pass in two weeks. So not only do you get to drive slower, you'll have to have a handsfree system of communicating as well and no typing on an electronic device while driving either (**** i love typing in adresses in my gps while driving, lol).
rob

 

[pjjjjj]

I know a couple of cdn companies that like utilizing american haulers as they don't get charged gst on the freight charges. Yes they can claim it back but they don't have to pay it out initially so for them they deem this better.
Rob

Are you saying you know Cdn shippers who use US trucking co's to haul their shipments from a point in Canada to a point in Canada, to save on paying GST before they can get it reimbursed?

 

[FIS53]

US guys are not supposed to haul point to point in canada... but if a US load comes in by US carrier no gst charged on freight bill as US companies do not charge GST. BUt cdn companies do charge the gst even on loads from the US or to the US. So a load going by a US carrier is gst free (or used to be).

 

[Scuba]

All Canadain trucks should be banned from states that have a speed limit over 65 mph seams fair to me.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

and then there's Nohio at 55....

 

[pjjjjj]

BUt cdn companies do charge the gst even on loads from the US or to the US. So a load going by a US carrier is gst free (or used to be).

There is no GST applicable if the load originates in US or ends in US, so if a company is being charged in error, they should not pay it.

from Revenue Canada:

Examples of zero-rated goods and services include:
■ transportation of goods to a place outside Canada from a place inside Canada (outbound international freight) when the charge for the service is $5 or more;
■ transportation of goods from a place outside Canada to a place in Canada (inbound international freight);

 

[piper1]

Guys,

Many of us wouldn't think twice about spending ~600 bucks on something to improve your load chances right? Or something to increase your revenue by making your truck more versatile.

If you own the truck, it's your ECM to set the way YOU like it, so, buy some software, a Pro-Link or a QuickCheck, whatever and set the speed your self!!! Turn it down to 65 while you are waiting on the bridge to come north, and turn it back up on the bridge on the way back south! IF YOU HAVE THE TOOLS IT IS VERY EASY!! As I mentioned before, these tools can also save you a bunch when something else goes wrong.

I think the law stinks too, it's being done for all the wrong reasons but, to turn down revenue when it doesn't have to be a big deal.

OK, rant over........

 

[jasonsprouse]

and then there's Nohio at 55....

Except on the Ohio turnpike where it is now 65. They had a big rate hike and suddenly found the little state routes flooded with trucks. So they raised the speed limit to try to get the trucks back on.

 

[x06col]

Piper, that be good advice. Really good advice. However, many (read most) these clowns couldn't or wouldn't spend a couple hunnert to make a few hunnert more. Jes the nature of the beast. An the roast goose thing. I continue to be amazed.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

oh...you mean invest in your business....what a concept...

Nah..they'd rather invest in that XM radio or Ipod first...priorties ya know...

 

[layoutshooter]

I was under the impression that the law said the change had to be "non-tamper" proof. I really could get by without running in Canada. We don't get that many offers for loads up there except when I am at the house. I often turn them down. Many do not pay enough to be worth the hassels. Then there is the long dead head out. There have been very few times I got a load going out. There are a couple of loads that go into Quebec that pay enough to justity the deadhead out but I don't know if I can justify the cost for that new equipment for 2-3 loads a year. I will get more return on an Espar or adding shore power to my APU. I run more in AZ than Ont. Layouthsooter

 

[OntarioVanMan]

"non-tamperproof" they are living in a dream world! In this day and age nothing is tamperproof...

 

[layoutshooter]

Yep OVM, I just thought it had to be that way by the way it was written. Layoutshooter

 

[TeamCaffee]

Col what a stupid comment. I believe everyone of us that go to Canada would put this device on if you could regulate it when you came back to the states. I do not believe our company is wrong, from everything we have read and heard once the device it put on you had best leave it be.
X06col
Piper, that be good advice. Really good advice. However, many (read most) these clowns couldn't or wouldn't spend a couple hunnert to make a few hunnert more. Jes the nature of the beast. An the roast goose thing. I continue to be amazed.

Piper1 I think you also need to do a little more research on this new law.

 

[jaminjim]

I did not think that it was an additional device, I'm under the impression that they do it thru the ECM.

 

[LDB]

While having the tool to read, analyze and adjust the ECM and thereby reset the speed limiter is a nice idea it's pointless if the user can change it at will. While that may be possible it's not legal according to the law. It has to be permanently set. I have no idea how they'll check it or what the fines will be if it's not up to spec and will have to see how it all shakes out before making a final decision. For now I'll be watching from this side of the border.

 

[piper1]

Tamper Proof means no unauthorized access. In today's trucks that means password protected. A fleet will program the truck the way they want it and then lock it up with a password. If you own the truck you are the "fleet".

The law is not going to add anything to your truck. Many press stories make it sound like the MTO is going to require you to add a device, they wont. It only applies to electronic trucks made 1995 and later.

If you get checked, they will look at the ECM settings, confirm the 105 km/h setting and send you on your way.

Now, if it isn't set at 105 (65mph) and you pull out your laptop or your Pro-Link, you will be in for an argument.At that point it becomes fuzzy whether you are the owner (authorized) or the driver (not authorized) to "tamper" and make changes. There are provisions in the bill to seize "tampering" equipment, how real legit diagnostic equipment is looked at remains to be seen, I think they are more apt to be looking for those gizmos that plug in to a lighter and modify the speed signal from the transmission etc. Most of these things don't work or leave so many telltale signs the driver usually gets fired.

Of note, if you are caught going over 105km/h you will be presumed guilty of violating this law. So you get 2 tickets. I can imagine a lot of cruisers at the bottom of the bigger hills.

Like I said, the law is dumb but as a cross border O/O you do have options.

Here is the exact law,

http://www.ontla.on.ca/bills/bills-files/39_Parliament/Session1/b041ra.pdf

 

[piper1]

It has to be permanently set.

I know of no current engine ECM that allows this to be "permanently set".

There is no language in the law using the word permanent, just active and functioning.

Sorry I get testy about this, but if a lot of you guys stay home, the Ontario Trucking Assn. gets its wish. The only reason they want this dumb law is to keep US carriers out of Ontario, the rest is a smokescreen. I believe competition is healthy for the industry, too many of the OTA fat cats remember the "good ole days" when the number of carriers allowed to operate was limited and everyone was rich and lazy. I fear this is the start of a trend to return to such ways.

 

[P51bombay]

Of note, if you are caught going over 105km/h you will be presumed guilty of violating this law. So you get 2 tickets. I can imagine a lot of cruisers at the bottom of the bigger hills.

Correct me if I am wrong but if your headed downhill and maybe the engine brake is shut off - limiter or no, you can and will be over 105. There's about a 6% hill around here where local PD likes to sit right at the bottom - mostly aimed at cars though, the trucks need to be within the limit since there is a light at the end.

 

[RLENT]

The only reason they want this dumb law is to keep US carriers out of Ontario, the rest is a smokescreen.

Probably a good reason to continue to go if you already do ..... and to consider running Canada if you currently don't . I mean, why give 'em what they want and let them stick it to you ? - stick it to them instead ......

I do run Canada and it has been pretty lucrative for me - often with long loads (1000+ miles) going in, and decent ones coming back out (500+ miles) - generally, both inbound and outbound loads have paid well.

Last winter I spent most of the time up north, either in Canada or in the northern states, running back and forth. Getting loads coming back out initially was pretty good (better than 80% of the time) - lately I've had to deadhead back out more (more than 50% of the time)

piper1 - I read the law from the link you posted - it refers to commercial motor vehicles - in the States I am not considered a commercial motor vehicle, only a commercial vehicle - due to the fact that I am under 10K GVW, and carry no Hazmat. Since the speed limiter law pertains only to CMV's, is there a similar cutoff in the definition of CMV in Canada ? Or is any commercial vehicle considered a CMV ?