Jeff thanks for coming on over to the Expediter Side! There is almost always great discussion over topics like you have brought up.
Should O/O Welcome Reduced HOS?
- Thread starter TeamCaffee
- Start date
Just because you have always believed it does not make it true. I have completed both courses and can say with some authority that your statement is incorrect.
Neither a professor of philosophy nor a professor of economics would say that one discipline trumps the other. Both professors would say that their respective disciplines subscribe to the principles of logic.
Last edited:
paullud
Veteran Expediter
Economics 101 should tell you the rates will still not change because the supply of companies and brokers will not change and they are the ones setting rates. There are way to many trucking companies and brokers out there that cause prices to go down as they bid against each other. You are trying to assign drivers the position of being the supply when that just isn't the case. Drivers would be in the position of supply when it comes to driver wages but again there are just way to many drivers which forces wages down and 1/2 hour won't change things.
Sent from my SCH-I535 using EO Forums mobile app
Of all the CDL holders in the country driving over the road, what percentage of them are owner-operators and what percentage are company drivers? Of the company drivers, how many drive for carriers with fleets of 100 trucks or more? Of all the carriers doing OTR work, what percentage of them are solidly solvent and what percentage are less so?
I don't ask these questions because I want to know the answers, but only to illustrate the fact that a supply and demand analysis done at the economics 101 level would be inadequate to fully explain the impact of the new HOS rules or to be useful for any expediter to make informed decisions.
The article first referred to in this thread serves a useful purpose in that it raises certain questions in alert reader minds, but for answers, deeper thinking and research is required.
I don't ask these questions because I want to know the answers, but only to illustrate the fact that a supply and demand analysis done at the economics 101 level would be inadequate to fully explain the impact of the new HOS rules or to be useful for any expediter to make informed decisions.
The article first referred to in this thread serves a useful purpose in that it raises certain questions in alert reader minds, but for answers, deeper thinking and research is required.
Last edited:
It may, or may not, affect rates. It is not, however, going to enhance safety which is why they CLAIM this was done. It will likely make our operation more dangerous, just has many other of their changes have.
moose
Veteran Expediter
Jeff, when it's comes to Expedite, we simply cannot come with a trucking background & assumed that economy rules works the same.
been on the 2 sides of the fence, i can "say with some authority"{Thanks Phil},they are definitely not.
over the years, meeting with Expediters, and trying to explain how trucking works, was pushing the wind @ best. it goe's the other way around as well.
been on the 2 sides of the fence, i can "say with some authority"{Thanks Phil},they are definitely not.
over the years, meeting with Expediters, and trying to explain how trucking works, was pushing the wind @ best. it goe's the other way around as well.
The Giants are an interesting example. AT&T park is incredible. It replaced a dump for baseball. The Giants just might be the smartest organization in MLB. For many cities the fans come out when the team wins (like SF). The Indians are a great examlple of that. When they were good-they sold the Jake out EVERY game. But, don't look at me I am a Cubs' fan.
The change in supply from this round of changes will be miniscule-I agree. Most of us will figure out how to stretch a 10 minute break into a 30 minute break. For someone like me who hits 2-3 docks everyday-I am sure one of my custmers will find a way to waste 30 minutes of my time. The restart changes will only effect those that bump 70 hours in less than 7 days. In my end of the trucking chain that is fairly hard to do.
As far as the supply and demand thing -I am sticking to it. Albeit NOTHING happens in a vacuum. The government is all over the map and that screws up the economic model. One day they are actively recruiting Mexican carriers-the next they are ramping up PSP scores that don't need a conviction to change a driver's score. Yes-the supply of drivers will not change because of these changes-what changes is how much each driver can produce-that changed the production on the supply side-a little.
The change in supply from this round of changes will be miniscule-I agree. Most of us will figure out how to stretch a 10 minute break into a 30 minute break. For someone like me who hits 2-3 docks everyday-I am sure one of my custmers will find a way to waste 30 minutes of my time. The restart changes will only effect those that bump 70 hours in less than 7 days. In my end of the trucking chain that is fairly hard to do.
As far as the supply and demand thing -I am sticking to it. Albeit NOTHING happens in a vacuum. The government is all over the map and that screws up the economic model. One day they are actively recruiting Mexican carriers-the next they are ramping up PSP scores that don't need a conviction to change a driver's score. Yes-the supply of drivers will not change because of these changes-what changes is how much each driver can produce-that changed the production on the supply side-a little.
jrcarroll
Expert Expediter
Your only losing 1/2 hr from your 14, it does not reduce your driving time at all.
relax folks, ya went thru changes to the HOS before and it didn't kill ya
moose
Veteran Expediter
Yh'a, but how many others got killed the last few times...
BTW, according to a new ATA study, Expediters & alikes, gives a real bad reputations to the trucking industry.
sorry.
Mixing Medium- and Heavy-Duty Crash Data Skews Safety Trends, ATRI Study Says | Transport Topics Online | Trucking, Freight Transportation and Logistics News
{please don't shoot the messenger, just keep it up the ATA...}
this is what happen when the ATA sound the voice for Expediters & small business truckers.
BTW, according to a new ATA study, Expediters & alikes, gives a real bad reputations to the trucking industry.
sorry.
Mixing Medium- and Heavy-Duty Crash Data Skews Safety Trends, ATRI Study Says | Transport Topics Online | Trucking, Freight Transportation and Logistics News
{please don't shoot the messenger, just keep it up the ATA...}
this is what happen when the ATA sound the voice for Expediters & small business truckers.
Thats what I was trying to say.
The extra time we spend at a fuel stop adds up quick.
Last edited:
zorry
Veteran Expediter
You must fuel on duty. Since you're off the highway, and have broken the rhythm, you may as well pull over and chill out. Going off duty, of course.
I used to read the newspaper daily. At my advanced age it's okay to visit a restroom whenever one is available. Or set your alarm, laydown for twenty, and then visit the facilities.
A walkaround the truck is always good. Sometimes two or three. Focus under the truck from both afar and nearby if possible.
Loading this week, standing on an open dock we noticed insect nests in our top rail. Truck hasn't sat for longer than 16 hrs in any one place for weeks.
I wonder if it's abandoned or they're along for the ride ?
Anyway, a strange issue I need to address.
I used to read the newspaper daily. At my advanced age it's okay to visit a restroom whenever one is available. Or set your alarm, laydown for twenty, and then visit the facilities.
A walkaround the truck is always good. Sometimes two or three. Focus under the truck from both afar and nearby if possible.
Loading this week, standing on an open dock we noticed insect nests in our top rail. Truck hasn't sat for longer than 16 hrs in any one place for weeks.
I wonder if it's abandoned or they're along for the ride ?
Anyway, a strange issue I need to address.
moose
Veteran Expediter
go on line 4.
fuel the truck.
{poll forward} only if you wish to.
go on line one.
do whatever for a 30. may go on line 2 if applicable
go on line 3. {flag S.I}
poll forward & off you go.
anything else is a waist of time or risk management.
they wanna play games?...lets play!
personally, i won't poll into a parking spot. i hope others won't either.
