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OntarioVanMan

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RLENT said:
I know exactly what Joe was pointing out ...

I just wasn't going to let the positioning of Bales as a "victim" in the piece go by without pointing out that he ain't.

It's a tragedy for everyone involved ... including Bales.
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IMO...Bales has demonstrated a streak of violence before the service.....again IMO his defense is using the PDST as a veil to hide his violent tendencies....which discredit those really affected by it....which does a dis service to all....
 
layoutshooter

layoutshooter

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OntarioVanMan said:
IMO...Bales has demonstrated a streak of violence before the service.....again IMO his defense is using the PDST as a veil to hide his violent tendencies....which discredit those really affected by it....which does a dis service to all....
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SSGT. Bales should have never been allow into the military. That in no way means that he could not be affected by PTSD or the drugs he was fed.

That is not meant to excuse his actions. There is, however, a LOT of evidence, hard evidence, that the press is withholding. It MAY come out during his court martial.
 
OntarioVanMan

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layoutshooter said:
SSGT. Bales should have never been allow into the military. That in no way means that he could not be affected by PTSD or the drugs he was fed.

That is not meant to excuse his actions. There is, however, a LOT of evidence, hard evidence, that the press is withholding. It MAY come out during his court martial.
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I was just thinking that...how the heck he ever get into the service with a criminal record?....and a violent one at that...
 
Tennesseahawk

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aristotle said:
The term "tin soldiers" is not one used respectfully. The service and sacrifice of National Guardsmen and Reservists deserves honorable treatment as most fulfill their duties to the best of their ability. Since the war in Afghanistan began, many Guardsmen and Reservists have been called up for multiple deployments. Often, beyond reasonable expectations. Rather than maintain a properly staffed standing Army, the USA has been trying to have a war on the cheap. I can understand criticizing policy, but not troops in the field. We get what we pay for. Without the National Guard and Reservists we would indeed have a hollow Army.

It's easy to come online and throw around terms like "tin soldiers." It comes across as an attempt to cheapen their service. For the most part, our fighting forces are young, patriotic and loyal even unto death. The policymakers are the real problem. Our troops are better than those who lead them.
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My comment had nothing to do with reservists or National Guard in particular. Tin soldiers are toys, replaced by other toys when they are broken. The "boy general" is not interested in fixing them, just replacing them. So he grabs some out of his toy box to be treated similarly to the broken ones. No biggie... he has bunches.
 
layoutshooter

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OntarioVanMan said:
I was just thinking that...how the heck he ever get into the service with a criminal record?....and a violent one at that...
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Standards are lowered to new lows with each passing day. I really don't know how he was accepted. Lower standards? Was his criminal record 'enhanced' by the press to divert attention from the problems at Ft Lewis? A combination of many factors? We may never find out the 'entire truth'.
 
layoutshooter

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Tennesseahawk said:
My comment had nothing to do with reservists or National Guard in particular. Tin soldiers are toys, replaced by other toys when they are broken. The "boy general" is not interested in fixing them, just replacing them. So he grabs some out of his toy box to be treated similarly to the broken ones. No biggie... he has bunches.
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I understand you meaning now. In your original comment it did sound like you meant it in another way. Sorry if I 'misunderstood' you.

That term 'tin soldier' is often used to demean those in the service. Some of us are quite sensitive to that. Hope you understand.
 
OntarioVanMan

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layoutshooter said:
Standards are lowered to new lows with each passing day. I really don't know how he was accepted. Lower standards? Was his criminal record 'enhanced' by the press to divert attention from the problems at Ft Lewis? A combination of many factors? We may never find out the 'entire truth'.
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The story was a bad example to use with his info in it....it muddied the water so to speak...2 different issues going.....makes it confusing....
 
layoutshooter

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OntarioVanMan said:
The story was a bad example to use with his info in it....it muddied the water so to speak...2 different issues going.....makes it confusing....
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They are seem to be doing that on purpose, to 'soften' the affects of that 'program'. At least that how it appears on the surface. Either that, or that 'journalist', to use the term very lightly, is not the brightest bulb in the pack.

The press in general is going to do their best to insure that the administration's involvement is kept as low key as possible.
 
RLENT

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layoutshooter said:
LOL!! I thought you already were started! :p
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Nah ....

layoutshooter said:
We both have a good sense of what 'journalists' are like these days. That profession seems to have been 'degrading' for a very long time.
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Yup ... when it comes to anything related to the empire, they mostly serve as mouthpieces for the State ... either the politicos or bureaucrats ... depending on what it involves ....

Not much in the way real investigative journalists left ...
 
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