BigCat
Expert Expediter
Why do you log in a cargo van?
Send your thoughts on the Proposed 34-Hour Restart
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Why do you log in a cargo van?
moose
Veteran Expediter
You might wanna take a hard look at the HazMat/Explosives/Biological wast/nuclear - Exemption.
while it is not hard at all to understand, it is dern STUPID. in a year time there won't be even one team truck out there that will not be loaded with a bulk of one of the above cute pallets, just so the carrier can log more hours. but this is NOT part of the ATA court challenge because it's allow carriers to ship more freight using same team drivers...
It's quite common with some carriers for their cargo vans to haul placarded HAZMAT, and therefor have to log.
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I don't but, I keep up with the rules so when my brother asks me something about the rules I can answer it for him. Plus I can help others understand how simple the rules are.
Plus I used to drive a big truck. drove over 20 years. I just keep up
I normally have breakfast before I start work, during the ten hour break, therefore even if I logged it would not affect my 14 since I haven't started work yet. Nice try.
If you stopped after you started your 14 clock, you would still stop at the 7 or 8th hour for your lunch break. That said, your clock doesn't stop once you start it unless you do 8 in the sleeper. That is the only way to stop the clock.
I have no doubt they are buying off the government. These laws, 'mmm 'er' regulations that have the force of law without going through congress kinda tick me off. Not that it would make any real difference, congress has been bought off too. 
How do they do that, if we all have run under the same rules and will be running under the same rules when they take affect in July.
The only way an independent or a lease driver running paper logs has a advantage is if they cheat on their logs, since everyone runs on the same 11/14
Not yet. It is designed for FMSCA to give the illusion they are doing something productive.
zorry
Veteran Expediter
Quite a few years ago a safety man from a large carrier told me there was no future in the industry for solos.
The E-Logs and new regs are easier to deal with as a team than a solo.
More teams for a Swift/Knight,etc. means less trucks so probably more profits.
I don't mind E-Logs now that I run team.
They sucked for a solo.
That does not make the rules right. And it has happened that rules get overturned precisely because people *****'ed).
Indeed, a characteristic of the HOS and CSA rules over the years is that they frequently change.
Hey teams, if you want to drive five and sleep five, go for it. Oops! Not any more. Now if you want to drive 11, you must sleep 10, and whatever you do, don't sit in the passenger seat and call it sleeper time. Oops! Not any more. Now if you want to sit in the passenger seat you can, but only under these new rules. Oops! We know you used to be able to drive 11 after sleeping 10, but if you do it too long, you must reset...lets' see, how about a 34 hour break, how does that sound? Oops! Not any more. Now your 34 hour break can only be taken once a week and must include two sleep times through the wee hours in the morning, like when you expediters used to make good money by driving loads straight through to meed customer needs.
Oh yes, there's that new thing about a 30 minute break, and then there's that thing about ... and then there is that old rule that is being enhanced with electroinic devices, and, and, and, ....
Why do we make all these rule changes? Well, silly, it's because we have to keep the public safe from the people who break them. Like, duh!
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Under "Summary of Changes", Rest Breaks, Right side, Final Rule:
Summary of Hours-of-Service (HOS) Regulations - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration
You know what else sucks for a solo? Detention. If we sit for a couple hours at the shipper, do we lose/swap the load, or fudge the time that we can no longer use the split sleeper to cover?
If we wait hours to get unloaded, can we legally drive to somewhere to take our break? Did FMCSA even consider the differences between team & solo drivers when changing the split sleeper?
I am convinced that detention is a large part of why the industry is moving towards team drivers - it's the easiest way to put the issue on the back burner. TL & LTL carriers can find enough ad hoc teams to fill the demand, because they are only together for 2 weeks before taking a break at home, but expediting is different.
As DaveKC says, expediting is just a tiny sliver of trucking - but it's a critical sliver, nonetheless. And expediting needs solo drivers. Partly because of the many short loads that a team isn't interested in running, [they might miss a really good one], but also because the particular demands [staying out for many weeks] mean that the supply of teams will never keep up with demand.
FMCSA continues to operate on the 'one size fits all' assumption that what works for the big trucking carriers will work for everyone, but it definitely does not.
Like the split sleeper, the 34 hr restart is another misguided attempt to fix what wasn't broken, simply to justify their own existence [and paychecks.] And it will play out the same way: drivers will tell them after the fact why it doesn't work, and they will ignore us. For years.
BigCat
Expert Expediter
There will be a "Don't pee in the shower" sign in the shower room. Lol
moose
Veteran Expediter
Good morning!
"(q) Attendance on commercial motor vehicles containing Division 1.1, 1.2, or 1.3 explosives. Operators who are required by 49 CFR 397.5 to be in attendance on commercial motor vehicles containing Division 1.1, 1.2, or 1.3 explosives are on duty at all times while performing attendance functions or any other work for a motor carrier. Operators of commercial motor vehicles containing Division 1.1, 1.2, or 1.3 explosives subject to the requirements for a 30-minute rest break in §395.3(a)(3)(ii) may use 30 minutes or more of attendance time to meet the requirement for a rest break, providing they perform no other work during the break. Such drivers must record the rest break as on-duty time in their record of duty status with remarks or annotations to indicate the specific on-duty periods that are used to meet the requirement for break."
Scope of rules in this part. - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration
& why do I needs to do all the googling around here...
or in other words, if you have explosives in the truck, and are a team drivers, you can choose to log it as line 4, rather then line one. long-haul/OTR carriers WILL take advantage of that prevision.
Yah, i know, its a bit complicated to understands how, but we already agreed that the scope of the HOS can get bit confusing.
wold you like some C-4 with that Oranges?
bubblehead
Veteran Expediter
When was the last time an airline did anything that was a good idea?
When they finally started pulling Pilots out of the cockpit before Take-Off who reaked of alcohol.
This is not the only kind of freight that customers ship with the drivers having the duty to be in attendance of the load at all times. This exemption addresses only part of the problem because it addresses only part of the freight.