Send your thoughts on the Proposed 34-Hour Restart

[beachbum]

I'm wondering which one will be counted if you get more than one or does the driver get to pick.

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I have no clue why people cannot understand the rule its simple

1. Your 34 hour restart can only be used ONCE a week. It does't matter if you start it at 3 in the afternoon you still need two 1am to 5am no matter what.

2. Your next 34 restart can only begin at the same time you started the week before. So if you started your last 34 at 3PM then that's the time you can start your next restart.

See how simple it is if you sit down and think about the rule.

 

[beachbum]

I wish they had asked about the mandatory 30 minute off duty break.

May drive only if 8 hours or less have passed since end of driver's last off-duty period of at least 30 minutes. [HM 397.5 mandatory "in attendance" time may be included in break if no other duties performed]

What's so hard about taking a lunch every day... If you stop at 7 hours for an 1/2 hour you don't need to stop again.

My god their making you take a break that most do now but never claim.. where's the problem

 

[layoutshooter]

I have no clue why people cannot understand the rule its simple

1. Your 34 hour restart can only be used ONCE a week. It does't matter if you start it at 3 in the afternoon you still need two 1am to 5am no matter what.

2. Your next 34 restart can only begin at the same time you started the week before. So if you started your last 34 at 3PM then that's the time you can start your next restart.

See how simple it is if you sit down and think about the rule.

Simple yes, but dead wrong way to go. What difference does it make when it is started? We don't work 9-5, Monday through Friday. What difference does it make how many 34 hour resets we get in a week? 34 hours is 34 hours.

Bad government in action.

 

[beachbum]

The whole thing is silly. Are folks going to better rested after sitting three days in a truck stop? Not likely. If they are concerned with safety (which they are not) they would go back to the split sleeper berth and and change the 14 hour rule so that a break can be added or the 14 hour clock can be stopped. There is no current data that backs up any of these proposed changes.

Why would you be in a truck stop for 3 days. Myself I would get a hotel room for the weekend that has a pool and small gym to use.

They are never going back to the split sleeper berth, you and others need to realize this fact and get on with your life.

They will never go back to stopping your clock like the old days, your stuck with the 8/2 split we have right now. realize this fact and you'll sleep better.

 

[beachbum]

One problem is there will always be a large number who without some set of strict regulations in place will run beyond any semblance of reasonable hours. We have a few of our own who have somewhat bragged of that very thing, seemingly proud of running an extreme amount of miles straight through and then running more miles before finally stopping.

I totally agree with your statement.

Hell I could do 55 MPH and at the end of the day claim I averaged 67 MPH because I was on paper logs. Now I did quit doing that some years ago and started running s close to legal as possible. Now in the van I don't worry I drive till tired and take a 5 to six hour break to sleep then get up and go again.

 

[beachbum]

I totally agree with your statement.

Hell I could do 55 MPH and at the end of the day claim I averaged 67 MPH because I was on paper logs. Now I did quit doing that some years ago and started running s close to legal as possible. Now in the van I don't worry I drive till tired and take a 5 to six hour break to sleep then get up and go again.

Maybe so, but as of now it's will be the rule, that is unless the courts overturn the new rules.

 

[ATeam]

As to the new reset rules, a total joke. There is not now, nor has there ever been, a cookie cutter one size fits all that works. Until they recognize that and allow us to run SAFELY by OUR body clocks, the roads will never be safe.

Exactly right! While it would be possible to develop a flexible HOS system that limited the total number of hours truckers may drive and require that certain amounts of sleep time be completed before someone drives, the one-size-fits-all mentality prevails; and it has prevailed through every HOS rule change Diane and I have seen in our ten years in the business.

It is one of the strangest things. Office-bound regulators don't have to look any further than their own families and co-workers to know that different people get their sleep in different ways. Indeed, they don't have to look any further than their own bodies to understand that some days a nap is a really good thing to have and other days a nap is not needed.

Nevertheless, these people insist on regulating millions of truckers at once as if each one of them had identical sleep patterns and needs.

Go figure.

 

[layoutshooter]

Exactly right! While it would be possible to develop a flexible HOS system that limited the total number of hours truckers may drive and require that certain amounts of sleep time be completed before someone drives, the one-size-fits-all mentality prevails; and it has prevailed through every HOS rule change Diane and I have seen in our ten years in the business.

It is one of the strangest things. Office-bound regulators don't have to look any further than their own families and co-workers to know that different people get their sleep in different ways. Indeed, they don't have to look any further than their own bodies to understand that some days a nap is a really good thing to have and other days a nap is not needed.

Nevertheless, these people insist on regulating millions of truckers at once as if each one of them had identical sleep patterns and needs.

Go figure.

They all have a degree in applied stupidity with a minor in god like arrogance.

 

[davekc]

Why would you be in a truck stop for 3 days. Myself I would get a hotel room for the weekend that has a pool and small gym to use.

They are never going back to the split sleeper berth, you and others need to realize this fact and get on with your life.

They will never go back to stopping your clock like the old days, your stuck with the 8/2 split we have right now. realize this fact and you'll sleep better.

You need to wake up. What makes you think everyone in trucking can afford a three day stay at a hotel with a gym?
I realize plenty. And the obvious is it is additional regulation based on no reliable information.
And by the way, I sleep just fine since I don't drive.
But thanks for asking.

 

[jjoerger]

I sleep better in the truck then a hotel.
Only get a room if we have to.

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[Turtle]

I have no clue why people cannot understand the rule its simple

Now that's funny right there. Using "simple" is relation to the HOS rules. Sure, one rule, by itself, it simple. But before it's all said and done there will be exceptions to it, and when you look at the regulations as a whole it's anything but simple. You have to do this, unless you do that, but if you do this, then you can't so that, unless you do that there, but in some cases you need to this and that, and pretty soon you're ordering one from Column A and two from Column B, unless you order the Chow Mein from Column A, then you only get one from Column B, unless you order General Tso and then you only get one from Column B but you get two from Column A, and one more from Column C unless it's a Spring Role, you can't have that with anything in Column A. Chinese arithmetic is easier than the HOS regulations.

Sticking with the one-size fits all mentality, which they will do, they could scrap all of it and rewrite the entire HOS regulation in one sentence, and it would keep the roads safer, and make just as many people mad as the current rules.

"You can drive or work for 12 hours, and then you cannot drive or work until at least 12 hours has passed." Period. End of Rule. It's so simple even a van driver can understand it.

Well, most of them.

OK, some of them.

 

[zorry]

12 & 12

Turtle wants us restricted more !

Get him !

 

[beachbum]

You need to wake up. What makes you think everyone in trucking can afford a three day stay at a hotel with a gym?
I realize plenty. And the obvious is it is additional regulation based on no reliable information.
And by the way, I sleep just fine since I don't drive.
But thanks for asking.

You would only spend 2 night in a room if you want or stay in the truck one night and hotel the next.

Then again I would find things to do away from the truck stop. Carry a bike go riding during the day depending on where you are. There are lots of things todo away from truck stops, you just have to find ways to get around.

BTW when I drove truck I always spent 2 nights therefore, I did over 34 hour restart.

People can ***** all they want, but unless the courts overturn the rules there here to stay.

 

[beachbum]

Now that's funny right there. Using "simple" is relation to the HOS rules. Sure, one rule, by itself, it simple. But before it's all said and done there will be exceptions to it, and when you look at the regulations as a whole it's anything but simple. You have to do this, unless you do that, but if you do this, then you can't so that, unless you do that there, but in some cases you need to this and that, and pretty soon you're ordering one from Column A and two from Column B, unless you order the Chow Mein from Column A, then you only get one from Column B, unless you order General Tso and then you only get one from Column B but you get two from Column A, and one more from Column C unless it's a Spring Role, you can't have that with anything in Column A. Chinese arithmetic is easier than the HOS regulations.

Sticking with the one-size fits all mentality, which they will do, they could scrap all of it and rewrite the entire HOS regulation in one sentence, and it would keep the roads safer, and make just as many people mad as the current rules.

"You can drive or work for 12 hours, and then you cannot drive or work until at least 12 hours has passed." Period. End of Rule. It's so simple even a van driver can understand it.

Well, most of them.

OK, some of them.

Show me anything in the new rules that are hard to understand.

If you run team you can now spend 2 in the right seat as off duty and 8 in sleeper. What's hard about that

If your solo all time sitting and not in sleeper is off duty, where as, under old rules all the time spent on the truck other then sleeper berth was on duty.

What's so hard to understand about 1AM to 5AM two night in a row for a 34 hour restart. Only being able to do a 34 once a week isn't hard to understand.

Taking a 1/2 hour lunch logging it off duty isn't hard, even the part that it has to be done within the first 8 hours from the time you started working that day. For me its easy take it at 6.5 to 7 hours after coming on duty and you will have no problem for the rest of the day.

Did I miss anything about the rules that are hard, if so post them

 

[jrcarroll]

Show me anything in the new rules that are hard to understand.

If you run team you can now spend 2 in the right seat as off duty and 8 in sleeper. What's hard about that

If your solo all time sitting and not in sleeper is off duty, where as, under old rules all the time spent on the truck other then sleeper berth was on duty.

What's so hard to understand about 1AM to 5AM two night in a row for a 34 hour restart. Only being able to do a 34 once a week isn't hard to understand.

Taking a 1/2 hour lunch logging it off duty isn't hard, even the part that it has to be done within the first 8 hours from the time you started working that day. For me its easy take it at 6.5 to 7 hours after coming on duty and you will have no problem for the rest of the day.

Did I miss anything about the rules that are hard, if so post them

So plain and simple, even a caveman could understand that..

 

[layoutshooter]

Plain, simple and stupid. Cookie cutter garbage.

 

[davekc]

You would only spend 2 night in a room if you want or stay in the truck one night and hotel the next.

Then again I would find things to do away from the truck stop. Carry a bike go riding during the day depending on where you are. There are lots of things todo away from truck stops, you just have to find ways to get around.

BTW when I drove truck I always spent 2 nights therefore, I did over 34 hour restart.

People can ***** all they want, but unless the courts overturn the rules there here to stay.

You are looking at this just from a expediters point of view. Which is a sliver of the trucking industry. Regulations are for everyone driving a truck. Who is for example carrying a bike on a flatbed? In fact, some companies forbid hauling items like that unless it is in their sleeper. And no, most trucking companies aren't running around with a 100 inch sleeper.
Income is much different outside of expediting. Some better and some not so much. A hotel might be feasible, but for others it is not. And just going to drive around to find something to do with a tractor trailer isn't an option for some.
As for whether the rules are hard doesn't matter. It is whether there is any benefit to them. With regards to the 34 hour rule there isn't. That fact doesn't change whether it is mandated or not.
Like others we will adapt but that is much different than embracing them.

 

[davekc]

Taking a 1/2 hour lunch logging it off duty isn't hard, even the part that it has to be done within the first 8 hours from the time you started working that day. For me its easy take it at 6.5 to 7 hours after coming on duty and you will have no problem for the rest of the day.

Did I miss anything about the rules that are hard, if so post them

Not hard to understand but could be problematic for a solo doing a deadhead and then a run in the 11 drive and 14 hour rule. So, easy to understand is much different than whether it could be easily applied. Some cases yes, some maybe not.

 

[Turtle]

Show me anything in the new rules that are hard to understand.

The new rules, the changes, they're easy to understand, if taken alone by themselves. But the HOS regulations in total are a joke, and reeks of something that only a bunch of clueless bureaucrats borne of academia could come up with.

If you run team you can now spend 2 in the right seat as off duty and 8 in sleeper. What's hard about that

Nothing. It's retarded, though. What I do and where I do it when I'm off duty is my business.

If your solo all time sitting and not in sleeper is off duty, where as, under old rules all the time spent on the truck other then sleeper berth was on duty.

That's the first rule they've come up with that makes any sense.

What's so hard to understand about 1AM to 5AM two night in a row for a 34 hour restart. Only being able to do a 34 once a week isn't hard to understand.

34 hours is 34 hours, and it shouldn't make one wit of difference which chimes on 24 hour clock gets struck. If you start your 34 hour restart at 6AM, it's not a 34 hour restart, it's a 35 hour restart. I don't understand that. And if you have another 34 hour restart 2 days later, then the week should start all over right then and there. I don't understand why it doesn't.

Taking a 1/2 hour lunch logging it off duty isn't hard, even the part that it has to be done within the first 8 hours from the time you started working that day. For me its easy take it at 6.5 to 7 hours after coming on duty and you will have no problem for the rest of the day.

I don't understand why I can't eat when I want.

Did I miss anything about the rules that are hard, if so post them

Pretty much everything on the FMCSA's Guidance Page. If it was easy to understand and not complicated, it wouldn't need to be explained in a Guidance Page. It would be self-explanatory.

Like, 12 and 12.

 

[moose]

What's so hard about taking a lunch every day... If you stop at 7 hours for an 1/2 hour you don't need to stop again.

My god their making you take a break that most do now but never claim.. where's the problem

for example (one of many,just ask.)the problem is that if you take 30 too early in the day, then you will have to take it once more, after 8 hours. so for everyone that like to take breakfast, there for avoiding morning rush, well, not a good idea.