Santa and Jesus are white!

Turtle

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Yeah, there are a LOT of things about races and colors etc that are not exactly right too.

I was wondering what Turtle was after, I did not understand.
I used "ain't exactly" as a sarcastic euphemism for "isn't."

Without the euphemism, it would read:

Then, instead of admitting that Jesus isn't white, goes with the old standby of that issue being "far from settled."

What I was after was to point out the hypocrisy of not even being able to admit it when you actually find out that you're wrong. She claimed Jesus was white, and then when she found out that he in fact wasn't, instead of saying "oops, my bad," she went with "that issue is far from settled."
 

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I used "ain't exactly" as a sarcastic euphemism for "isn't."

Without the euphemism, it would read:

Then, instead of admitting that Jesus isn't white, goes with the old standby of that issue being "far from settled."

What I was after was to point out the hypocrisy of not even being able to admit it when you actually find out that you're wrong. She claimed Jesus was white, and then when she found out that he in fact wasn't, instead of saying "oops, my bad," she went with "that issue is far from settled."

Was Jesus, at least according to scripture, a Gallilean (SP?) If that is correct that would likely make him causcasian would it not? :confused: Just asking, I must be confused, but I THOUGHT, that most from that area were caucsasian.
 

zorry

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It wouldn't matter to me if Jesus would be found to be White or Black or Green:

His message is clear.
 

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It wouldn't matter to me if Jesus would be found to be White or Black or Green:

His message is clear.

No, it does not "matter". I was just asking questions, it is interesting. I was under the impression that most in the area known as "Galilee" were caucasian. IF that is correct, knowing that Jesus was born into a Jewish family, one should be able to conclude that he too was caucasian and likely be correct.
 

Pilgrim

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Was not St. Nicolas from Turkey? :confused:
St. Nick was a Greek and lived in an area which is now part of Turkey. It could well be that Ms. Kelly - being the politically incorrect member of Fox News that she is - has read about the origin of the moniker "Santa Klaus", which is derived from a Dutch name. There are countless sources for this info on the web, but it's likely not being taught in our public school systems since Christmas is so yesterday. Probably the best summary of the story is on Wikipedia:
Saint Nicholas (Greek: Ἅγιος Νικόλαος, Hagios Nikólaos, Latin: Sanctus Nicolaus); (15 March 270 – 6 December 343),[SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP] also called Nikolaos of Myra, was a historic 4th-century Christian saint and Greek[SUP][5][/SUP] Bishop of Myra (Demre, part of modern-day Turkey) in Lycia. Because of the many miracles attributed to his intercession, he is also known as Nikolaos the Wonderworker (Νικόλαος ὁ Θαυματουργός, Nikolaos ho Thaumaturgos). He had a reputation for secret gift-giving, such as putting coins in the shoes of those who left them out for him, and thus became the model for Santa Claus, whose modern name comes from the Dutch Sinterklaas, itself from a series of elisions and corruptions of the transliteration of "Saint Nikolaos".

Nicholas was born a Greek[SUP][12][/SUP][SUP][13][/SUP][SUP][14][/SUP] in Asia Minor during the third century in the city of Patara (Lycia et Pamphylia),[SUP][15][/SUP][SUP][16][/SUP] which was a port on the Mediterranean Sea,[SUP][16][/SUP] and lived in Myra, Lycia[SUP][17][/SUP] (part of modern-day Demre, Turkey), at a time when the region was Greek in its heritage,[SUP][16][/SUP] culture, and outlook and politically part of the Roman diocese of Asia.[SUP][16][/SUP] He was the only son of wealthy Christian parents...

Saint Nicholas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Never let it be said the MSM would pass up a chance to take a shot at Fox News; but if Diane Sawyer had made the same comment there wouldn't have been a critical word from anyone.

Regarding the Jesus comment - she may have been right about that, but who knows? Cameras were in short supply back then. The Washing Post has a good article offering a reasonable viewpoint:

Reza Aslan on Jesus?s skin color: ?Megyn Kelly is right. Her Christ is white?
 

Turtle

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No, it does not "matter". I was just asking questions, it is interesting. I was under the impression that most in the area known as "Galilee" were caucasian. IF that is correct, knowing that Jesus was born into a Jewish family, one should be able to conclude that he too was caucasian and likely be correct.
It doesn't matter if you want to conclude that he's Caucasian or not. The context of the entire thing is, a black woman wrote an article complaining that Santa is white, instead of black or a penguin, and Megyn Kelly took issue with that, and also added the fact that Jesus was white, as well. It's not a context of the purity of races or racial terms, it's a context of politically white or not. Jesus was not white by White Bread European or Angry White Men standards of politics, which is what this is all about. If Jesus were alive today as a 35-year old man, he would look just...like...a...Palestinian.

But you can make an argument that he was a Mexican, too. 1. His first name was Jesus
2. He was bilingual
3. He was always being harassed by the authorities

But he might have been black.
1. He called everybody “brother”
2. He liked Gospel
3. He couldn’t get a fair trial

Some believe he was Jewish.
1. He went into His Father’s business
2. He lived at home until he was 33
3. He was sure his Mother was a virgin, and his Mother was sure he was God

The argument for Italian can certainly be made.
1. He talked with his hands
2. He had wine with every meal
3. He used olive oil

I think he was from California.
1. He never cut his hair
2. He walked around barefoot
3. He started a new religion

The reality is, Jesus was a woman.
1. He had to feed a crowd at a moment’s notice when there was no food
2. He kept trying to get the message across to a bunch of men who just didn’t get it
3. Even when He was dead, He had to get up because there was more work to do


 

1roaddog

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Santa is from the North Pole and ain't to many black folks up that way as old as Santa. Just guessing he is white'
 

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Politically white? No such thing. I KNOW congress likes to cause trouble and make up "protected classes", but it's stupid.

Jesus and St. Nicolas were both, more than likely, causcasian. It is what it is. Why should that ever cause a controversy?

Sounds like the original article was written by someone with an axe to grind and the Megan woman should have just ignored it. Trolling for ratings.
 
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Pilgrim

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Santa is from the North Pole and ain't to many black folks up that way as old as Santa. Just guessing he is white'
Just in...Santa is an Eskimo and he employs "little people" as assistants. Considering their minority status, they receive a considerable amount of US monetary aid but this has been hard hit by the sequester. This crisis was not addressed by Paul Ryan and the evil Republicans, so President Barack Hussein Obama is considering an executive order to restore these draconian cuts to toy production, thus saving Christmas - for those who believe in Christmas. Recent polling shows this segment of the population makes up a significant percentage of likely voters in 2014.
 

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OMG...what a bunch of sensitive babies. Don't people have something else to worry about? Really?
Make Jesus or Santa any color you want. I am in my fifties and have yet to see anything other than a white Santa or Jesus portrayed by any type of media short of a small secular group.
Get over it, it just how it is.
If someone has to HAVE a Santa or Jesus a certain color then go for it. Doesn't mean everyone else has to ADJUST.
 
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Maverick

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From the Christian point of view?

1 Tim

[4] Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
[5] Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
[6] From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;

Titus 3

[9] But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

The whole OP post was exactly described here. Unbelievers pine on about it, while it matters not a twit. They really need something better to do with their lives? But then, that wouldn't help the ratings, while using Christ Mas to further their silly little worldly agenda's. :D :rolleyes:
 

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I don't know that they are "unbelievers", or that it really matters in the context of this thread.
I do know that it isn't something I dwell on and really have no desire to change my beliefs on the account of a few. But they can believe anything they want, just doesn't mean I have to accept or believe it.
 

RLENT

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No, it does not "matter". I was just asking questions, it is interesting. I was under the impression that most in the area known as "Galilee" were caucasian. IF that is correct, knowing that Jesus was born into a Jewish family, one should be able to conclude that he too was caucasian and likely be correct.
There are many peoples which could be considered or thought to fall into the "racial" classification of "caucasian" when considered in it's historical context (a history which illustrates the somewhat questionable and dubious origins of the entire premise) - but might not be considered "white" by many today:

"Caucasian race (also Caucasoid) is the general physical type of some or all of the populations of Europe, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, Western, Central and South Asia. The term was used in biological anthropology for many people from these regions, without regard necessarily to skin tone"

The whole idea of "caucasian" takes on a whole different light when considered from it's origins and a historical perspective:

Caucasian race - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In terms of what constitutes "white" in terms of modern society here in the US, see the "Social Definition" section at the following link:

White American - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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Not all caucasions are "white" as we all know, OR, at least we should. Modern "definitions" don't trump genetics. What REALLY needs done is get rid of the labels. No more "protected classes". People are people. Judge them on actions, not government forced classes. When are we just going to forget the entire mess?

I just posted because I found the entire thing about "race" and who belonged to what "race" just fascinating when I took some anthropology classes in college. It was fun to study.

I also did not say that either Jesus or St. Nicholas were white. I only said they were causcasian. I don't believe I even mentioned color.

I believe that there was once a US SC case on this subject, back in the 1920's or 30's? Something about recognizing dark skinned people from India as "white" or causcasian. It is far too long ago to remember. Maybe I can find it.

Here is something on it:

[h=2]Not All Caucasians Are White: The Supreme Court Rejects Citizenship for Asian Indians[/h]In its decision in the case of U.S. v. Bhagat Singh Thind (1923), the Supreme Court deemed Asian Indians ineligible for citizenship because U.S. law allowed only free whites to become naturalized citizens. The court conceded that Indians were “Caucasians” and that anthropologists considered them to be of the same race as white Americans, but argued that “the average man knows perfectly well that there are unmistakable and profound differences.” The Thind decision also led to successful efforts to denaturalize some who had previously become citizens. This represented a particular threat in California, where a 1913 law prohibited aliens ineligible for citizenship from owning or leasing land. Only in 1946 did Congress, which was beginning to recognize that India would soon be independent and a major world power, pass a new law that allowed Indians to become citizens and also established a small immigration quota. But major immigration to the United States from South Asia did not begin until after immigration laws were sharply revised in 1965.


http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5076/
 
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RLENT

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Not all caucasions are "white" as we all know.
Indeed.

Modern "definitions" don't trump genetics. What REALLY needs done is get rid of the labels. No more "protected classes". People are people. Judge them on actions, not government forced classes. When are we just going to forget the entire mess?
Once we have enough miscegenation that the human race is rendered into nice medium tan or something ... kinda like chocolate milk ...

I just posted because I found the entire thing about "race" and who belonged to what "race" just fascinating when I took some anthropology classes in college. It was fun to study.
I would imagine so ... I certainly find it interesting ... after all it's the story of human race ...

I also did not say that either Jesus or St. Nicholas were white. I only said they were causcasian. I don't believe I even mentioned color.
Yes - and to that extent it was largely an introduction of an irrelevancy ... in light of the original premise of the thread.
 

RLENT

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While we are on the subject of seasonal mythologies, it might be important to remember some historical facts to remind us that the "celebration" of "Christmas" (Saturnalia) was not always a happy and joyous occasion for everyone involved:

II. How Did Christmas Come to Be Celebrated on December 25?

A. Roman pagans first introduced the holiday of Saturnalia, a week long period of lawlessness celebrated between December 17-25. During this period, Roman courts were closed, and Roman law dictated that no one could be punished for damaging property or injuring people during the weeklong celebration. The festival began when Roman authorities chose "an enemy of the Roman people" to represent the "Lord of Misrule". Each Roman community selected a victim whom they forced to indulge in food and other physical pleasures throughout the week. At the festival's conclusion, December 25th, Roman authorities believed they were destroying the forces of darkness by brutally murdering this innocent man or woman.

B. The ancient Greek writer poet and historian Lucian (in his dialogue entitled Saturnalia) describes the festival's observance in his time. In addition to human sacrifice, he mentions these customs: widespread intoxication; going from house to house while singing naked; rape and other sexual license; and consuming human-shaped biscuits (still produced in some English and most German bakeries during the Christmas season).

C. In the 4th century CE, Christianity imported the Saturnalia festival hoping to take the pagan masses in with it. Christian leaders succeeded in converting to Christianity large numbers of pagans by promising them that they could continue to celebrate the Saturnalia as Christians.

D. The problem was that there was nothing intrinsically Christian about Saturnalia. To remedy this, these Christian leaders named Saturnalia's concluding day, December 25th, to be Jesus birthday.

E. Christians had little success, however, refining the practices of Saturnalia. As Stephen Nissenbaum, professor history at the University of Massachussetts, Amherst, writes, "In return for ensuring massive observance of the anniversary of the Savior's birth by assigning it to this resonant date, the Church for its part tacitly agreed to allow the holiday to be celebrated more or less the way it had always been." The earliest Christmas holidays were celebrated by drinking, sexual indulgence, singing naked in the streets (a precursor of modern caroling), etc.

F. The Reverend Increase Mather of Boston observed in 1687 that "the early Christians who first observed the Nativity on December 25 did not do so thinking that Christ was born in that Month, but because the Heathens Saturnalia was at that time kept in Rome, and they were willing to have those Pagan Holidays metamorphosed into Christian ones." Because of its known pagan origin, Christmas was banned by the Puritans and its observance was illegal in Massachusetts between 1659 and 1681. However, Christmas was and still is celebrated by most Christians.

G. Some of the most depraved customs of the Saturnalia carnival were intentionally revived by the Catholic Church in 1466 when Pope Paul II, for the amusement of his Roman citizens, forced Jews to race naked through the streets of the city. An eyewitness account reports, "before they were to run, the Jews were richly fed, so as to make the race more difficult for them and at the same time more amusing for spectators." They ran amid Rome's taunting shrieks and peals of laughter, while the Holy Father stood upon a richly ornamented balcony and laughed heartily.

H. As part of the Saturnalia carnival throughout the 18th and 19th centuries CE, rabbis of the ghetto in Rome were forced to wear clownish outfits and march through the city streets to the jeers of the crowd, pelted by a variety of missiles. When the Jewish community of Rome sent a petition in1836 to Pope Gregory XVI begging him to stop the annual Saturnalia abuse of the Jewish community, he responded, "It is not opportune to make any innovation." On December 25, 1881, Christian leaders whipped the Polish masses into Antisemitic frenzies that led to riots across the country. In Warsaw 12 Jews were brutally murdered, huge numbers maimed, and many Jewish women were raped. Two million rubles worth of property was destroyed.
Origin of Christmas | The history of Christmas and how it began
 
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