Saddam Hussein - Not Bush Or Cheney - Was Telling The Truth

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dieseldiva

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Apparently few were paying attention to what were supposed to show Mr. Hussein's last moments on earth. He removed his hood to cover the neck brace he was wearing. So in reality Mr. Hussein is actually a Chicken rancher in northern Arkansas.:p

Owned and operated by Elvis, no doubt! :p
 

BillChaffey

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Being rather DENSE, could someone explain to me what Rlent said that caused his banishment.:confused:
 

Turtle

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Being rather DENSE, could someone explain to me what Rlent said that caused his banishment.:confused:
OK, here's what happened... In another thread RLENT attacked another EO member, and did so pretty ruthlessly and unmercifully. At least I thought it was ruthless and unmerciful, anyway, and I personally pointed out to him that he could have attacked the position and the issues at hand without bringing in individual personalities at all.

At the time of his posting he was in the heat of the moment (as can happen and has happened to many people here) and didn't see it what way (he tried to separate the person from the position, but in doing so he actually connected the two irrevocably), but after he reflected on what he had written, he stated to me that he needed to go back to that thread and post an apology, as he agreed with my assessment of his post. Unfortunately, he was on a rather long load and could not get back online fast enough, and was never given the opportunity to right his wrong. He was summarily dismissed for 90 days.

I can tell you (and especially the person whom he attacked) that he feels bad about not being able to post the apology. I can also tell you that he's not exactly feeling enamored with EO over not even being given the opportunity to do so.
 

dieseldiva

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OK, here's what happened... In another thread RLENT attacked another EO member, and did so pretty ruthlessly and unmercifully. At least I thought it was ruthless and unmerciful, anyway, and I personally pointed out to him that he could have attacked the position and the issues at hand without bringing in individual personalities at all.

At the time of his posting he was in the heat of the moment (as can happen and has happened to many people here) and didn't see it what way (he tried to separate the person from the position, but in doing so he actually connected the two irrevocably), but after he reflected on what he had written, he stated to me that he needed to go back to that thread and post an apology, as he agreed with my assessment of his post. Unfortunately, he was on a rather long load and could not get back online fast enough, and was never given the opportunity to right his wrong. He was summarily dismissed for 90 days.

I can tell you (and especially the person whom he attacked) that he feels bad about not being able to post the apology. I can also tell you that he's not exactly feeling enamored with EO over not even being given the opportunity to do so.

Having been reprimanded more than once by the EO admin team, I've not once been offered the opportunity to apologize......it's ridiculous to even expect them to do that and it deflects the blame on to them instead of resting it where it belongs, in the offender's lap. We're all adults here and should be expected to "own" our mistakes.....

They just didn't give me the time to apologize.....waaaaaaa:mad::mad: I'm gonna hold my breath now.......:mad::mad:
 

Dreamer

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And Diva, you took it, came back, and we went on. I give you much credit there!

Ok. We usually don't discuss bans... however. When someone does something after being banned previously for the same thing... they , in my opinion, have to know its coming. An apology at this point would not REMOVE the ban, however.... it would go a long way towards the 'banee's ' credit, and possible length of said ban.

As Forest said... "that's all I have to say about that" :)

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BillChaffey

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Thank you. It must have been a Dozy. I have not been here to long and have seen some really rude, parochial minded posts attacking persons on here in the most personal uncalled for way. Yet some of these posters are still posting.:rolleyes:
 

dieseldiva

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And Diva, you took it, came back, and we went on. I give you much credit there!

Ok. We usually don't discuss bans... however. When someone does something after being banned previously for the same thing... they , in my opinion, have to know its coming. An apology at this point would not REMOVE the ban, however.... it would go a long way towards the 'banee's ' credit, and possible length of said ban.

As Forest said... "that's all I have to say about that" :)

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"Usually don't discuss bans"???.........
11. Warnings and bans are not to be discussed on the forum.
Such matters shall remain private between the moderators, administrators and the member. Questions or comments concerning warnings and bans will be conveyed through e-mail or private messaging (PM). Likewise, discussions regarding moderator or administrator actions are not permitted on the forum.
 

layoutshooter

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I think it is time that we ALL, excluding NO one, try to calm down the personal stuff. It serves no one.

I don't like to see people get banned. It hurts the site.

I would like to see most of the banned people back someday. There is no reason that we cannot "argue nice". We all need to just try to keep it on the subject and NOT the person.

I mean, after all, it is ONLY the internet, not reality.
 

dieseldiva

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I think it is time that we ALL, excluding NO one, try to calm down the personal stuff. It serves no one.

I don't like to see people get banned. It hurts the site.

I would like to see most of the banned people back someday. There is no reason that we cannot "argue nice". We all need to just try to keep it on the subject and NOT the person.

I mean, after all, it is ONLY the internet, not reality.

Most of the members are only banned for an amount of time, you know this. You have to be pretty bad to get a permanent ban but it does happen.......and then all your cronies that have closed their eyes to just what kind of individual you are, whine and cry about it for months....maybe years....:rolleyes:
 

layoutshooter

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Most of the members are only banned for an amount of time, you know this. You have to be pretty bad to get a permanent ban but it does happen.......and then all your cronies that have closed their eyes to just what kind of individual you are, whine and cry about it for months....maybe years....:rolleyes:


Well, let's hope it changes just a LITTLE. It is hard to learn when everyone agrees on everything.

About the ONLY thing we should totally agree on is dropping the personal stuff. Ideas SHOULD be challenged but not individuals.
 

Turtle

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Having been reprimanded more than once by the EO admin team, I've not once been offered the opportunity to apologize......it's ridiculous to even expect them to do that and it deflects the blame on to them instead of resting it where it belongs, in the offender's lap. We're all adults here and should be expected to "own" our mistakes.....
It doesn't deflect the blame to them at all. RLENT was wrong and he knows it, and he accepts full responsibility for his actions. He's certainly not trying to shift blame to someone else for his own actions. He's simply not that sort.

I don't know that I'd call it ridiculous to expect them to do that, but I do think EO has a tendency to walk softly and carry a big sledgehammer. And yes, RLENT absolutely saw it coming. He didn't at the time, in the heat of the moment, but he certainly did after some reflection. I don't want to get into to much detail of what was said offline, but to paraphrase, it was along the lines of, "I'm going to get banned for this, but hopefully I can squeeze in an apology before it happens." And it wasn't to lessen the length of the ban or un-ring the bell he rang or anything like that. That was the least of his concerns. It was because he felt the need to apologize.

They just didn't give me the time to apologize.....waaaaaaa:mad::mad: I'm gonna hold my breath now.......:mad::mad:
I'm not sure if you're relating here your own experience, or if you think that's what RLENT is doing. If it's the latter, then it's a highly inaccurate assessment. Not even close.


As for the verboten discussing of bans, for the most part I agree, since discussing them won't change a thing. But I do think that the reason someone gets banned (or a post gets deleted or edited) should be made public. I think it should be public for both deterrence and education. As an analogy, back when I took my CDL test I missed two question. The examiner would not tell me which questions I missed. I sure hope they weren't important questions, because to this day I have no idea what they dealt with. In contrast, several years earlier when I moved to a different state and failed to get a new drivers license within the prescribed time limit, I had to retake the written test to get my license. I missed one question, and the examiner told me what I missed and gave me the right answer. To this day I remember that question, and the right answer, and drive according to the correct answer. The same thing applies here on EO, if someone screws up and you publicly tell them precisely what they did wrong, not only are they not as likely to repeat the offense, but others who might do the same thing, inadvertently or otherwise, will know what the deal is before they do it.
 

dieseldiva

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The same thing applies here on EO, if someone screws up and you publicly tell them precisely what they did wrong, not only are they not as likely to repeat the offense, but others who might do the same thing, inadvertently or otherwise, will know what the deal is before they do it.
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I disagree. I see no need to smack someone's hand for all to see. It would be normal for the admin team to pm a member, telling them why they're receiving the reprimand, many times they are given a warning before an actual banning is done.

Another thought on this is.....why would the admin team speak on it publicly, seeing as how rule #11 doesn't allow it? To clarify....why would they break their own rule.....
 
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dieseldiva

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I'm not sure if you're relating here your own experience, or if you think that's what RLENT is doing. If it's the latter, then it's a highly inaccurate assessment. Not even close.

I wrote what it sounded like to me and, I'm sure, to others. Too much whining after the fact and not enough self-control to keep it from happening.
 

Dreamer

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Another thought on this is.....why would the admin team speak on it publicly, seeing as how rule #11 doesn't allow it?

You're right... tho I was trying to give some insight... it needs not to be discussed any more.

Dale



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dieseldiva

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I did not speak directly on the specifics. Just said he knew why.


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My question was directed to Turtle for thinking that the admin team needs to publicly tell the offender why they were banned, Dale, not to you for any discussion today.
 

greg334

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For what it's worth, maybe the people over at EO should look into changing the little title from Banned to something else, like just member or something like that - BUT for those who are not really like the Doug Banned.
 

dieseldiva

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For what it's worth, maybe the people over at EO should look into changing the little title from Banned to something else, like just member or something like that - BUT for those who are not really like the Doug Banned.

Sorry Greg but you've added to the ridiculous of the day. First we have a defender..."if only he had the time to apologize" (very leftist) and now you want to change the word "banned" to something more tasteful? (leftist also)

Please please EO, please make your punishment more politically correct.....:rolleyes:
 
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