Ron Paul Wins CPAC Straw Poll For 2nd Year in Row
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AMonger
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Hannity will claim it never happened.
Who cares? First off, straw don't vote. Second, they are both retread LOSERS!! What ever happened to new and refreshing? Not from the ReBumLiCans, or Dumb-O-Crats for that matter. 
We cannot expect any kind of REAL different outcome if we keep doing the same old thing every election.
We cannot expect any kind of REAL different outcome if we keep doing the same old thing every election.
RLENT
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So you base your support of a candidate on who wins ..... rather than on your own philosophical and political positions ?
Sounds sorta lemming-like to me .....
So what are you thinking there Layout ..... Green Party ?
Reform Party ?
Mebbe you're considering going SPUSA (socialist) on us ?
Who do ya like ?
The above statements, when said in the context of Ron Paul, is perhaps the single most imbecilic thing I have read in ... oh, I dunno .... maybe the last ten years ?
Honestly ..... do you actually even bother to think before you open the flycatcher .... or is it all just sort of on automatic ?
Please now explain for us all how anything that Ron Paul advocates, in terms of his policy positions and philosophy is "the same old thing" ....
Go ahead ... impress us all with your deep philosophical insights, high intelligence, and your broad familiarity with Paul's positions.
I, as well as everyone else here I'm sure, am ready to be dazzled blind .....
As to your comments above, my thoughts are:
Who cares ?
As per usual, you add nothing new to the conversation, and certainly nothing in your comments could be considered, in any way whatsoever, intelligent .... even in the most remotest sense.
Actually, they are, quite the opposite.
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You do such a FINE job of keeping personal insults out of conversations. There is no need for that sort of thing. If you don't like what I say, fine, no need to be snotty.
I don't HAVE to like Ron Paul or ANYONE for that matter. I don't HAVE to like ANY of the two criminal organizations we call political parties either. I also don't have to like who you do or think I should. It is called FREEDOM.
I like little about Paul, or ANY of the candidates, including Obama, Palin or any of the other "rat pack" that is out there. Just more political bull hockey. NOTHING NEW!! I am TIRED of politicians of ANY flavor.
Whether or not you think that I do add or don't to this conversation is of no matter to me. I don't really care what you think. You are just another of the 6 billion out there who have NO real impact on my life. You DO, however, contribute some good ideas in other forums that I value.
I don't HAVE to like Ron Paul or ANYONE for that matter. I don't HAVE to like ANY of the two criminal organizations we call political parties either. I also don't have to like who you do or think I should. It is called FREEDOM.
I like little about Paul, or ANY of the candidates, including Obama, Palin or any of the other "rat pack" that is out there. Just more political bull hockey. NOTHING NEW!! I am TIRED of politicians of ANY flavor.
Whether or not you think that I do add or don't to this conversation is of no matter to me. I don't really care what you think. You are just another of the 6 billion out there who have NO real impact on my life. You DO, however, contribute some good ideas in other forums that I value.
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
Then you have this:
YAF national board expels Ron Paul from advisory board
The Washington Times
Kerry Picket
Published on February 12, 2011
YAF national board expels Ron Paul from advisory board - Washington Times
YAF national board expels Ron Paul from advisory board
The Washington Times
Kerry Picket
Published on February 12, 2011
YAF national board expels Ron Paul from advisory board - Washington Times
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
chef,
That statement is a complete crackup - and indicates complete takeover and subsumption of the YAF by forces which could only be described as neo-con - who, not surprisingly (to some, at any rate) admit they are more aligned with Obama, than with Ron Paul's more common sense approach to foreign policy - which mirrors the traditional Old Right Republican approach.
So much for actually practicing conservatism .....
The alignment with Obama and others on the left should come as no surprise - since the initial emergence of the ideology came from those who were (once, supposedly ... although one wonders if it isn't still) socialist or liberal (former Trotskyists and Shachtmanites)
Never underestimate the ability to sucker the masses by wrapping anything up in national defense, the flag, and patriotism - and then calling it something that fools will buy into.
If you're expecting to get the fiscal house in order any time soon, don't look for it to happen with the neocons at the helm .... we've already seen how that panned out, and indeed, their philosophical writings on the matter (as opposed to rhetoric designed for public consumption) leave little doubt as to where we are headed. Prepare to be spent to death.
That statement is a complete crackup - and indicates complete takeover and subsumption of the YAF by forces which could only be described as neo-con - who, not surprisingly (to some, at any rate) admit they are more aligned with Obama, than with Ron Paul's more common sense approach to foreign policy - which mirrors the traditional Old Right Republican approach.
So much for actually practicing conservatism .....
The alignment with Obama and others on the left should come as no surprise - since the initial emergence of the ideology came from those who were (once, supposedly ... although one wonders if it isn't still) socialist or liberal (former Trotskyists and Shachtmanites)
Never underestimate the ability to sucker the masses by wrapping anything up in national defense, the flag, and patriotism - and then calling it something that fools will buy into.
If you're expecting to get the fiscal house in order any time soon, don't look for it to happen with the neocons at the helm .... we've already seen how that panned out, and indeed, their philosophical writings on the matter (as opposed to rhetoric designed for public consumption) leave little doubt as to where we are headed. Prepare to be spent to death.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
I believe that I commented on the ideas contained in your statement.
And then invited you to back up what you said with actual specifics and facts ..... using your not inconsiderable personal abilities and knowledge.
Your time and effort would probably be better spent with laying out the factual foundation for your statements ..... rather than just whining about the rhetorical devices I use to attack your ideas.
And if you would really prefer that I act in some other manner than what you (mis)characterize as "snotty", see if you can do a little intellectual heavy lifting and attack the guy on policy positions or the issues - as opposed to just attacking him in some vague generalized manner.
That would be at least somewhat more intellectually honest - and would be the basis for a debate.
Yup - absolutely true.
One does however have to be willing to back up what they say .... at least if they prefer to not look like an idiot.
Might I suggest that your continued commentary, and repeatedly and continuously engaging conversations about them, would seem to indicate otherwise, at least to the point that you apparently aren't so tired as to avoid talking about them.
Well, I do think that - you don't really add anything to this conversation - not because you couldn't .... but simply because you choose not to .....
Make a different choice if you so desire ... it's within your power.
Just as I value your good ideas and observations in here, or anywhere else on EO. It's certainly not like you don't have any - you do.
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chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
Rlent wrote:
Not a doubt in my mind that my new grandson will be paying for this debt when he hits the workforce....
Not a doubt in my mind that my new grandson will be paying for this debt when he hits the workforce....
The ONLY thing that REALLY matters is that I VOTE!! No one in here is ever going to change anyones mind. A good rant is healthy, lowers the blood pressure. I just wish I had a say in the primaries, not in Michigan though, they are FIXED. I vote for, or against, whom ever I choose to do based on my personal beliefs and life experiences. Nothing else matters.
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
Well ron had to Subtract his deal with the YAF while at Cpac...now he can ADD this:
Defender of the Constitution
Tom Woods
Feb. 13, 2011
Donald Rumsfeld was awarded the “Defender of the Constitution” award at CPAC 2011 — by Dick Cheney, no less. At Campaign for Liberty’s Liberty Forum at CPAC, I had the privilege of presenting an award to the real defender of the Constitution.
Defender of the Constitution | Tom Woods - New York Times Bestselling Author
Defender of the Constitution
Tom Woods
Feb. 13, 2011
Donald Rumsfeld was awarded the “Defender of the Constitution” award at CPAC 2011 — by Dick Cheney, no less. At Campaign for Liberty’s Liberty Forum at CPAC, I had the privilege of presenting an award to the real defender of the Constitution.
Defender of the Constitution | Tom Woods - New York Times Bestselling Author
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
I have no grandchildren at this point, nor any on the immediate horizon that I'm aware ofNot a doubt in my mind that my new grandson will be paying for this debt when he hits the workforce....
....... but I'm fairly sure that that both of my children will be paying for it as long as they live .... if they remain here in the US that is .....
I have no grandchildren at this point, nor any on the immediate horizon that I'm aware of
I DO have a granddaughter and I shudder to think what those bums in Washington have done to her. As to moving else where, there are few places where they are NOT in this mess. Far too much socialism around the world. All end up broke. Peter is broke and Paul keeps trying to rob him.
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
Rlent wrote:
Considering going "ex-pat" ??
The thought has crossed my mind in the passed and has creep back a bit now....
Considering going "ex-pat" ??
The thought has crossed my mind in the passed and has creep back a bit now....
Rlent wrote:
Considering going "ex-pat" ??
The thought has crossed my mind in the passed and has creep back a bit now....
Not me, I would rather go down fighting. Put in far too much time here.
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
Layout wrote:
I totally understand and in the passed i also felt the same way, but its not just the polictics now...we are on a fast track to the ecomonic staus of a a 3rd world nation...our country is bankrupt and only being sustained by the chinese and japan...without them lending to us, we are done....and i do believe that is how china will control us....though the use of ecomonic pressures....yea china is a mess economically also, but the government there can control their product and markets and they are working to bring more foreign manufacturing there while we are working to tax our businesses out of the country....
We are still the #1 manufacturing country in the world, we out produce china by 40%..but china just surpassed japan in manufacturing and they are closing the gap on us by bring in those foreign companies that we are pushing out...it won't be that long before we are nothing more that a "user nation" because of our economic policies...
I won't even start to go into the blowout of the dollar to levels that will make it totally worthless, but its on the way...look at the IMF this week saying they need a new reserve currency because the dollar is close to worthless and not stable...
No its no longer about just politics, the economy is becoming the leader in alot of peoples view....and when the welfare entitlement groups and the poor and the growing poor no longer get what the gov has been giving them, what is happening all over the middle east will look like childs play here....
I totally understand and in the passed i also felt the same way, but its not just the polictics now...we are on a fast track to the ecomonic staus of a a 3rd world nation...our country is bankrupt and only being sustained by the chinese and japan...without them lending to us, we are done....and i do believe that is how china will control us....though the use of ecomonic pressures....yea china is a mess economically also, but the government there can control their product and markets and they are working to bring more foreign manufacturing there while we are working to tax our businesses out of the country....
We are still the #1 manufacturing country in the world, we out produce china by 40%..but china just surpassed japan in manufacturing and they are closing the gap on us by bring in those foreign companies that we are pushing out...it won't be that long before we are nothing more that a "user nation" because of our economic policies...
I won't even start to go into the blowout of the dollar to levels that will make it totally worthless, but its on the way...look at the IMF this week saying they need a new reserve currency because the dollar is close to worthless and not stable...
No its no longer about just politics, the economy is becoming the leader in alot of peoples view....and when the welfare entitlement groups and the poor and the growing poor no longer get what the gov has been giving them, what is happening all over the middle east will look like childs play here....
Yeah, it does look bleak, but I just don't care. I spent 20 years defending our Constitution, old habits die hard.
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
I totally understand and admirer your position. No matter what anyone may say or think of you Joe, no one can question your loyality to your beliefs and convictions...and that is a most impressive admirable trait...