Rightwing on the defensive in final week of Israeli election campaign

[witness23]

You're too far gone.

What a cowardly cop-out that is......lmao!

 

[muttly]

What happened to your tagline?

It doesn't always appear. Just sometimes. I don't know why.

 

[RLENT]

You're too far gone.

It's probably best (for you) that you keep your responses to posting links and short, simple comments ... and avoid trying to explain anything in detail.

Venturing out any further than that carries the distinct possibility that the wheels may very well come off ...

 

[RLENT]

It doesn't always appear. Just sometimes. I don't know why.

LOL ... that statement could explain why you like Bibi so much (birds of a feather) ...

 

[muttly]

It's the truth. I know that dealing in truths must be inconvenient, messy, and painful for you, but it's part of your education.

 

[RLENT]

It's the truth.

Have you reported it TPTB ?

I know that dealing in truths must be inconvenient, messy, and painful
for you ...

LOL ...

Barf,

I'm not the one that seems to be perpetually in denial.

You support a racist state, that has as it's head a man who is pretty clearly racist - and who not only supports the denial of human and civil rights to others not of his ethnicity (including actual citizens of said state) ... but the institutionalized theft of their property as well.

And you think dealing with "truths" must be "inconvenient, messy, and painful" for me ?

ROTFLMAO ...

Perhaps you can be honest with everyone here - you know: with a little of that "truth" stuff - and explain to us on what basis you give that support ?

Personally, I can only see three or four possibles ... and none of them would reflect particularly well ... and all involve some sort of illogical thinking.

 

[Ragman]

I try to not get involved in these kind of threads, but for all involved, Bibi hads got to go! For the good of his country, Bibi has got to go!

 

[skyraider]

It will be interesting too see if King Obama sees Israel to its end, but there is more to the story and Israel will be here a long long time. IMHO

 

[Pilgrim]

Once again it's delightful to witness the complete failure of liberal hogwash produced by the Obama administration and their accomplices in the MSM to sway an election in a sovereign nation who happens to be one of our strongest and most important allies. Their polls, predictions and propaganda were based on lies and deceit designed to promote the liberal agenda of appeasement to muslim barbarians and Iranian state-sponsored terrorism. Netanyahu will still be the leader of Israel after Barack Hussein Obama is no longer POTUS and only remembered as a stain on the ledger of American history.

With nearly all the votes counted, Likud appeared to have earned 30 out of parliament's 120 seats and was in a position to build with relative ease a coalition government with its nationalist, religious and ultra-Orthodox Jewish allies.
The election was widely seen as a referendum on Netanyahu, who has governed the country for the past six years. Recent opinion polls indicated he was in trouble, giving chief rival Isaac Herzog of the opposition Zionist Union a slight lead. Exit polls Tuesday showed the two sides deadlocked but once the actual results came pouring in early Wednesday, Likud soared forward. Zionist Union wound up with just 24 seats.

New rift opens between Obama, Netanyahu after election victory | Fox News

Obviously the Israeli voters were aware of the reality they faced from the beginning of the election process, instead of believing the pro-muslim agenda being promoted by the Obama supported liberal candidate.

 

[cheri1122]

Did you actually comprehend it ? Didn't think so.

Asks the guy [at least, I assume you're a guy, not to mention fervently hope so] who misused 'schadenfreude' and 'spoil sports' - and that's just in the last batch of comments.
Aaaah, Barkley: you never disappoint.

 

[muttly]

Asks the guy [at least, I assume you're a guy, not to mention fervently hope so] who misused 'schadenfreude' and 'spoil sports' - and that's just in the last batch of comments.
Aaaah, Barkley: you never disappoint.

Cherry cola, they weren't misused. They were perfect descriptions and applied correctly.

 

[cheri1122]

Cherry cola, they weren't misused. They were perfect descriptions and applied correctly.

There was zero schadenfreude on the part of the MSM or liberals [at Bibi's win], as you claimed, [it was on the conservative side], and the correct phrase is 'spoil sports', not 'spoiled sports'. 0 for 2, honeybunch.

 

[muttly]

There was zero schadenfreude on the part of the MSM or liberals [at Bibi's win], as you claimed, [it was on the conservative side], and the correct phrase is 'spoil sports', not 'spoiled sports'. 0 for 2, honeybunch.

You mean misspelled, not misused.

 

[RLENT]

The liability of not having an inkling of what you don't know:

Cherry cola, they weren't misused. They were perfect descriptions and applied correctly.

 

[RLENT]

Once again it's delightful to witness the complete failure of liberal hogwash produced by the Obama administration and their accomplices in the MSM to sway an election in a sovereign nation who happens to be one of our strongest and most important allies.

Still waiting on an answer about what Israel does for us that makes them such an "important" ally ... you know: ... beyond taking our welfare and conducting espionage against us ...

Their polls, predictions and propaganda were based on lies and deceit designed to promote the liberal agenda of appeasement to muslim barbarians and Iranian state-sponsored terrorism.

Imagine if someone had said the following instead, with regard to the Bush administration:

Their polls, predictions and propaganda were based on lies and deceit designed to promote the conservative agenda of appeasement to Jew barbarians and Israel state-sponsored terrorism.

You'd be squealing like a little girl about the "anti-semitism" ...

Yeah ... I think the stench contained within your original statement is pretty clear as to exactly what it is ...

Netanyahu will still be the leader of Israel after Barack Hussein Obama is no longer POTUS and only remembered as a stain on the ledger of American history.

Based on the outcome of your last attempt at predicting US presidential electoral contests, I wouldn't be counting my coins until they're in the bank. Your track record ain't all that great.

Couple that with the obvious general disconnection with reality and I rather doubt that you have a winning formula for success.

Netanyahu - assuming he is asked, and is able, to put together a coalition government - will be at the mercy of the constraints of the Israeli parliamentary system and any coalition he forms.

His previous coalition fell apart and he had to call for early elections - which is why we are where we are today. There is no reason to believe that it couldn't happen again ... particularly if there is some precipitating event ... say something like this:

US reportedly weighs recognizing a Palestinian state according to '67 lines

The White House might also consider paring down the defense American diplomats give Israel at the UN

The Obama administration is considering supporting the UN Security Council’s decision to define the borders of a potential future Palestinian state according to the 1967 lines, sources within the US government told the New York Times on Wednesday night.

The American officials said that the Obama administration may now agree to passage of the Security Council resolution embodying the principles of a two-state solution that would include Israel’s 1967 borders with Palestine and mutually agreed swaps of territory.

The report indicated that the move is being considered following Netanyahu’s statement on Monday, according to which he would oppose the establishment of a Palestinian state in the West Bank, as well as his warning to the Israeli public on election day itself, calling Israelis to go out and vote en masse in light of the high rate of voting within the Arab population.

The White House called Netanyahu’s campaign rhetoric an attempt to “marginalize Arab-Israeli citizens” inconsistent with the values that bind Israel and the United States. White House press secretary, Josh Earnest, told reporters on Wednesday that Netanyahu’s statement was “deeply concerning and it is divisive and I can tell you that these are views the administration intends to communicate directly to the Israelis.”

A senior official, who did not wish to be named, called Netanyahu's words "offensive" and contrary to a democracy, where "we expect that you will treat your citizens equally."

Another senior US official told CNN that Netanyahu's nixing of Palestinian statehood "could change things" for the US-Israel relationship. He warned, "We are in a very, very different situation than we have been in years if that is not the case."

Steven Simon, a former National Security Council official under US president Barack Obama, said that given the strain with Netanyahu, the White House might also consider paring down the defense American diplomats play for Israel at the UN.

The US typically uses its veto power to swat away any anti-Israel resolutions or Palestinian attempts at reaching statehood through the UN. Now, American diplomats could instead authorize some resolutions after edits or abstain from voting on them. "That in itself in the context of administration policy would be a fairly dramatic step," Simon said.

The Palestinians joined the International Criminal Court in January and plan to file their first war crimes case against Israel next month.

US officials and members of Congress stress, however, that the tensions with Israel won't lead to any cuts to the more than $3 billion annually in mostly military funding the US funnels to Israel, or to any change in the close military cooperation between the two countries. "I think the military to military and intelligence cooperation is going to go on no matter who is in that office," California Rep. Adam Schiff, a Democrat, told CNN.

Regarding the rift between Netanyahu and Obama, it seems nobody believes anymore that it can fixed or that either side is interested in mending it.

US reportedly weighs recognizing a Palestinian state according to '67 lines | i24news - See beyond

That it's being floated so quickly after the Israeli elections should tell ya a little something ...

And the real beauty of it is there is probably very little Congress can do to stop it.

What will be interesting if it does happen is to see how the citizens of Israel react to it - will they call for Bibi's head on a platter ... or will they double down ?

Obviously the Israeli voters were aware of the reality they faced from the beginning of the election process, instead of believing the pro-muslim agenda being promoted by the Obama supported liberal candidate.

To say generally that Israeli voters are "aware" of reality is laughable at best.

They apparently exist in a "us-vs-them" bunker mentality which they have been indoctrinated into, where the "us" is all Israelis (or perhaps all those of Jewish ethnicity) and "them" is everyone else in the world ... which is about as divorced from reality as one can get.

This is detailed to some degree in the following piece from an ex-Israeli who had been indoctrinated with all sorts of false propaganda in that regard, but yet managed to come to her senses once she got out of Israel and put a little distance between her and the insanity:

Netanyahu won. Now what?

Avigail Abarbanel on March 18, 2015

So he won and I have to say I am relieved. There wll be no more endless cycles of pointless 'negotiations' with Israel pretending that some day it will agree to a two-state solution while continually escalating both settlement (colony) building and the maltreament of the Palestinians. Now everyone will see that the Palestinians were right all along and that Israel has never been a partner for negotiations.

There is no real political Left in Israel and if the other side got to form a government, all we would have seen is more of the same. Now we'll see if the EU has the decency and conviction to enact proper sanctions. Then of course there is the US. The US Administration might stall for a while, but we'll see if they have what it takes to do the right thing. Israel is no friend to the US and the sooner they realise it the better.

Israel is on a slippery slope of its own making. Get your popcorn, sit and watch. Israel is becoming more radicalised than ever before. Certainly much more than when I was growing up there. Of course I could be wrong - and I hope I am - but I think Israel's pathological siege mentality will now become more pronounced and more evident to outsiders. Israel has for a long time been readying itself for when the time comes, to bunker down, live with austerity and give up the fancy lifestyle the country has become increasingly accustomed to in the last 20-25 years. They can do this.

Israel has always prepared itself psychologically and economically to being isolated. All that openness to the rest of the world that Israel has enjoyed increasingly in the last generation or so, and Israel's acceptance by others, have always been seen as temporary in the eyes of most Israeli Jews. They had always expected it to end and had the mentality of 'let's enjoy it while it lasts and make the most of it while we can'. Fundamentally Israeli Jews believe that the world hates them because they are Jewish (in their mind it has nothing to do with colonialism or the Palestinians). So although Israel has brought its own situation upon itself, that is not how Israeli Jews see it. They believe things are 'happening to them' for no fault of their own. They expect isolation and have dropped all pretences to pander to the West and are behaving more in line now with their true nature. Even less radical people will become radicalised now in Israel. There will be even more propaganda and more brainwashing than ever before.

Netanyahu really does represent most Israeli Jews even though some of them do not like him. But the reasons they do not like him are not what you expect. Most Israeli Jews identify with Netanyahu's perception and understanding of what the rest of the world is like and of the world's relationship with Israel. After all Netanyahu is a product of Israeli society just like I was, and believe me, when you have that kind of psychology and that incredibly effective, powerful propaganda machine all around you, it is easy to believe that what you see is really how it is… Israeli Jews have always lived in a psychological ghetto and it's that ghetto that I got out of back in 1991.

Life will get very difficult for Jews in Israel soon enough, and many with dual citizenship will abandon ship. Those who remain will be the die-hard fanatics and zealots who are dangerous because they might have the psychology of murder suicide. I believe that before it is over, things will get really bad there and extremely dangerous. Israel will become much more fanatic and extremist than ever before with a lot less inhibitions.

I am therefore worried about the Palestinians and wonder how much more of this they could possibly take and what they can expect in the next few months and years. Israel isolating itself is more dangerous for the Palestinians because world public opinion will no longer be a moderating factor on Israel's behaviour. And believe it or not, it did have a moderating effect. What you have been seeing so far and what Palestinians have been experiencing is not yet the worst. Gaza gives you the idea of what Israel has in mind for all Palestinians.

So the message to those of us who support the Palestinians is to get ready to escalate our support. It is about to get very very tough. With Netanyahu at the helm the end of colonialism and occupation is nigh, but it is about to get a lot worse before it gets better.

Netanyahu won. Now what?

 

[muttly]

The liability of not having an inkling of what you don't know:

Coming from you that has been slow on the uptick. Just brilliant.

 

[RLENT]

Cherry cola, they weren't misused. They were perfect descriptions and applied correctly.

Not only were they not applied correctly, but you were fundamentally wrong in your assessment of the motivations regarding the lack of any congratulations - as detailed in various media (this one is from an article in Haaretz):

On Wednesday, Kerry called Netanyahu and congratulated him for his victory. The conversation was short, and did not deal with affairs of state. Ernest said Obama would call Netanyahu in the near days and noted that as in the past two election cycles, Obama would wait until the president officially tasks Netanyahu with forming a coalition, or until such a coalition is formed, before doing so.

But I guess if ya got nuthin', then deploying cheap propaganda based on lies is all your left with ...

Like I said: ... birds of a feather ...

 

[RLENT]

Coming from you that has been slow on the uptick. Just brilliant.

What's that you're saying ?

BTW - when can we expect your exposition on the basis of your support ? (... for a racist state, racists, and racism ...)

Remember: lots of links (that probably won't actually address the issue in any substantive way) and short, short comments (that won't either) ...

 

[muttly]

What's that you're saying ?

BTW - when can we expect your exposition on the basis of your support ? (... for racists and racism ...)

Racism? You're obviously parroting the leftist media.

 

[RLENT]

BTW Barf ... I hope that the irony of your position of support vis-a-vis Israel and Bibi - particularly in light of your cries of "racism" against certain folks in the political opposition here in the US - isn't lost on you ...

Personally, I have a fairly high degree of certainty that you will not answer up in any substantive manner regarding the basis for your support ... because you know full-well what that would mean ...