Rethinking 9/11, and other rants
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mcavoy33
Seasoned Expediter
and who cares is my opinion. What does it really matter if it was orchestrated by our government? Do you honestly believe that there isn't corruption in our government? Of course there is corruption. Or course there is stuff that happens behind the scenes. That is the reality, not the conspiracy theory.
Who cares who is behind it, does it matter if it was Osama Bin Laden by himself or if Osama was getting help from the US government? The reality is, there are bad people behind it no matter what and there are bad people in government.
We'll never know the truth about JFK either but that doesn't stop the world from turning.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
The building was initially designed to be one straight structure but was expanded above the four or fifth floor by using trusses to shift the weight from the outside of the building to the interior structure in order to use the original foot print. This was done after the initial plans were drawn up and it was passed quickly in order to make the deadline.
On top of that, the foundation (caissons) was put in in 1967/8 was only designed to support a 25 story building, not a 52 story building. They added more caissons but still it was not what many considered a good design.
This was also in the mid-80s, when cost overruns and construction problems plagued every building project in NYC. There were cuts made here and there to save money so not to come in over budget.
There is a lot of information that can't be found on the Internet or in books about that building and regardless what engineers or experts say, it was a disaster waiting to happen.
Just replace Tucson with EO.
Where do you find this stuff!!! It's hilarious. The only folks I worried about being part of a conspiracy, back in the day, were dispatchers that skipped over me with the "good" loads. Maybe we should spend more time keeping our side of the street clean and not be so concerned with what the other fella is doing, or not doing.
witness23
Veteran Expediter
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
And it's that kind of attitude that lent to the "Holocaust conspiracy", the "Soldiers testing nuclear blast conspiracy", the "Tuskeegee Airmen conspiracy". Complacency, or the "Witness' government can do no wrong theory", allows the government to act without accountability, no matter how evil their actions.
Yeah... Witness' cartoons are cute. Yes, some people need to come up with ridiculous theories to account for this or that. But not all conspiracies are false. It's when the world is flooded by conspiracies over an issue, that governments can get away with their mischief. In fact, I believe half of the conspiracies are constructed by government officials, in order to help cloud the truth. The truth is in that miasma of deceit... we just don't know which conspiracy theory is fact.
Most people still don't believe the Democrats created the Great Society to control the voting practices of blacks.
witness23
Veteran Expediter
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
You sound just like the guy in the cartoon......too funny.
Whatever, holocaust denier.
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clcooper
Expert Expediter
stop and think how far did the floors fall . the bottom floors already was holding the weight . and show me how BOTH of them could fall down straight and not to any side . unless it had some help. so when you cut the top out of a tree it falls straight down and takes out rest of the tree .
how did they take all those old casinos down in Vegas and not touch any other building . how many non man made disaster has any building fell straight down and didn't hurt any other building .
and dump so gas on the floor and light it and see afar it flows before it burns out . even dump it on the floor and see how far it flows .
and you believe that WTC7 had serious problems . and what makes you believe that . because you were told that . before or after 9/11 . you were there when WTC7 was being built and know for sure it was not built to with stand 52 floors .
and WTC7 was the only other building that was built in that area at that time .
i wonder why . but i bet the Mafia didn't have anything to do with it either . just like the Mafia doesn't bribe to get thing done to benefit them .
paullud
Veteran Expediter
Please watch the video of the towers falling, the top fell off and to the side it did not just fall straight down. The rest of the building fell mostly in it's own footprint because of the engineering of the building. You mentioned the buildings could not fall the way they did without help, I don't want to shock you but they did have help, a passenger jet full of innocent people slammed into each one. You asked how many non man made disasters could cause a building to fall straight down, what does this have to do with the subject, this was a man made disaster, it is called a terrorist attack.
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clcooper
Expert Expediter
[/QUOTE]how many non man made disaster has any building fell straight down and didn't hurt any other building .[/QUOTE]
answer the question
when is the only time buildings come down the way they did on 9/11.
fell off the side so then why did the rest of the building fall down .?? come on which story are you going to stick to . take some pop sicle sticks and build a building . now recrate it . and see how the building comes down .
slavery never happened either it is just something black people thought of to get pitty . slavery never happened ever in time . Custers last stand , Al Capone. Boston Tea Party are all as true as Zeus god of olympus .there is no evil person that will ever kill other people for their own benefit . nope never happened . and all the stories are just that stories . telling the Jews to go get showers but instead they got gased . never happened . because people dont lie and if a group of people were told that they were going to get gased they all would of turned away and ran .because the guards didnt have guns
all i got to say is learn how to build buildings and learn how to take them down . watch how they took down the casinos in Las Vegas.
see if there is a differance in a non man made disaster and a man made one which are the ones that are planed
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paullud
Veteran Expediter
I am aware that there are evil people that will kill others for their own benefit and in the case of 9/11 they were radical Muslims. As far as answering the question when have other buildings fell like they did at the WTC, my guess is never since that is the first time Muslims flew jet airliners into the towers. Checkout a South Park episode called Mystery of the Urinal Deuce.
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clcooper
Expert Expediter
yes buildings have fell like that before , and they were planed to fall like that . others that are not planed to fall dont fall like they did on 9/11 .
and what is you proof it was the radical muslims . ever hear of a cover up . pass the buck . just because the they say it was them on the tv does it mean that is who done it . were you on the planes . did you talk to anybody on the planes where is your proof who it was who was behind it who helped in any way . if i say i know will you believe me . so why do you believe them
paullud
Veteran Expediter
Well there was a Muslim terrorist group that claimed responsibility for it and the same group had attacked the towers before so I will believe them and forget what the government and other evidence shows. Instead of believing what some conspiracy theorist tells you to believe and then manipulates evidence to prove they are right why don't you think about it for yourself. Are you really convinced they unloaded 4 airliners full of people then turned the planes into rockets, then boarded those passengers on another plane and had it hijacked so they would call home and tell their families what was happening but they all failed to mention the plane transfer or that government agents were responsible for it. After this they then killed all these passengers without the planes ever being seen on radar and disposed of the planes and passengers leaving no trace. Do a Google search and watch that South Park episode it shows their theory about the situation and may give you a better idea of what happened with government involvement.
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