Ready To Pay More For The Privilige of Driving?

[blackpup]

Obama floats plan to tax cars by the mile - The Hill's Floor Action

quote "The Obama administration has floated a transportation authorization bill that would require the study and implementation of a plan to tax automobile drivers based on how many miles they drive"quote



I particularly liked this part .

quote "Among other things, CBO suggested that a vehicle miles traveled (VMT) tax could be tracked by installing electronic equipment on each car to determine how many miles were driven; payment could take place electronically at filling stations"quote

Jimmy

 

[chefdennis]

Hey with 51% of Americans not paying fed income taxes and barry spending more then ever in history of the Fed Gov and the Fed Gov being the largest employer in the country...he can't keep up his plan to "share the wealth" if he dosen't find another way to steal from those that produce the taxes that are paid...

High-Earning Households Pay Growing Share of Taxes

MAY 3, 2011
By JOHN D. MCKINNON
High-Earning Households Pay Growing Share of Taxes - WSJ.com

As President Barack Obama pushes to raise income taxes on high earners, opponents are seizing on data that indicates these U.S. households already pay a large and growing share of taxes, even compared with high-tax European countries. And a new congressional study concludes that the percentage of U.S. households owing no federal income tax climbed to 51% for 2009

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Upper-income taxpayers have paid a growing share of the federal tax burden over the last 25 years.

A 2008 study by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, for example, found that the highest-earning 10% of the U.S. population paid the largest share among 24 countries examined, even after adjusting for their relatively higher incomes. "Taxation is most progressively distributed in the United States," the OECD study concluded.

Read the complete article at the link above..

 

[OntarioVanMan]

I read an article awhile back like last year that some states were studying a per mile tax for fuel....

 

[chefdennis]

Someone posted and article a week or 2 ago about Washington St. putting together a test program to do it and several others are looking at it..all because of the decline in gas tax revenue and the electric cars buying less gas...

So the states do it to recover their lost revenue...then barry does it to get more tax money because the unemployment numbers aren't getting better they are going back up, over half of America pays no fed income taxes and the Fed Gov is the countries largest employer and thet gain no tax revenue from them all the while he is spending like there is no tomorrow, and he still needs more money to"share with those that don't have"....

 

[witness23]

To answer the question, No.

I would like to point out a few things though. Of course, right?

Obama floats plan to tax cars by the mile - The Hill's Floor Action

From what I've read, this headline is inaccurate and a bit misleading. It is not the President floating this plan on the floor. This VMT project goes back to at least 2007. Plus, from the OP's link to the story they have a comment from the White House:

The White House, however, said the bill is only an early draft that was not formally circulated within the administration.

“This is not an administration proposal," White House spokeswoman Jennifer Psaki said. "This is not a bill supported by the administration. This was an early working draft proposal that was never formally circulated within the administration, does not taken into account the advice of the president’s senior advisers, economic team or Cabinet officials, and does not represent the views of the president.”

The administration does not support the bill. I also found this from San Francisco Bay Area Transportation News (BATN).

From the story:

Published Friday, February 20, 2009, by CNN

Transportation agency: Obama will not pursue mileage tax

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

* Mileage tax idea would use GPS in cars to track drivers' usage
* Transportation Secretary LaHood calls it an idea "we should look at"
* Transportation Department says Obama will not pursue the tax
* Oregon carried out a pilot program and deemed it "successful"

I am going to look further into this proposal, but for starters this is a brief explanation of the VMT from Wiki. I repeat, I have only started to look into the specifics of the proposal.

quote "The Obama administration has floated a transportation authorization bill that would require the study and implementation of a plan to tax automobile drivers based on how many miles they drive"quote

Again, the administration does not support a VMT.

I particularly liked this part .

quote "Among other things, CBO suggested that a vehicle miles traveled (VMT) tax could be tracked by installing electronic equipment on each car to determine how many miles were driven; payment could take place electronically at filling stations"quote

The key word there is "suggested".

The bottom line, the Government (right or wrong) has been looking at ways of replacing the tax on fuel consumption to finance road infrastructure and a VMT is probably one of many suggestions.

 

[clcooper]

who cares whos idea it is . it is a another tax that dont need added to the working people .
how do we the working people pay for our things .do we get to tax our neighbors . our freinds . no we have to go to work . and if we want to buy something we need to save for it . we cant just reach in to the pot and pull money out .

i believe in paying a tax for the goverment to protect my rights and freedoms and keep me safe from others . i believe we need a system for the disable , the retired . .

but it needs to be under control and at this time it is not under control. remember the real tea party why it was started all of the events that lead up to it . we the people were being taxed to death on everything.
if nobody stops them now soon they will find a way to tax ever breath you take .

 

[blackpup]

I particularly liked this part .

" Mileage tax idea would use GPS in cars to track drivers' usage".

My immediate concern was the part about tracking people's cars.
More big brother?

Speaking to The Associated Press, Transportation Secretary LaHood, an
Illinois Republican, said, "We should look at the vehicular miles
program where people are actually clocked on the number of miles that
they traveled." The remark was part of a discussion about various
options to help make up for the highway funding shortfall on the
federal level.

When contacted by CNN, the Transportation Department said LaHood was
unavailable. A spokeswoman provided the department's statement and
said she could not elaborate

Well, Secretary La Hood seemed to like the idea.

Wonder whose being more candid? Obama or La Hood.

It's a rare politician who can not think of a better use for your money.

jimmy

 

[blackpup]

I particularly liked this part .

" Mileage tax idea would use GPS in cars to track drivers' usage".

My immediate concern was the part about tracking people's cars.
More big brother?

Quote from the San Francisco Bay Area Transportation News article.

"Speaking to The Associated Press, Transportation Secretary LaHood, an
Illinois Republican, said, "We should look at the vehicular miles
program where people are actually clocked on the number of miles that
they traveled." The remark was part of a discussion about various
options to help make up for the highway funding shortfall on the
federal level."

When contacted by CNN, the Transportation Department said LaHood was
unavailable. A spokeswoman provided the department's statement and
said she could not elaborate

Well Secretary La Hood seemed to like the idea.

Wonder whose being candid, Obama or La Hood ?

Rare politician who does not have a better idea than the dollars owner, about where to spend said dollar.

jimmy

 

[pjjjjj]

I find it amusing how you guys (Americans) blame your president for every little thing, no matter if it's this way, or that way, there's always a spin you can attach to it so no matter which way things go, he's d*mned if he does and d*mned if he doesn't. Should this thread be called 'Ready to Pay More For The Privilege of Driving?', or should it perhaps more appropriately be called, 'Ready to Pay For What You Use'?
You guys are mostly all anti share-the-wealth, and yet, when the gummint wants to get you to pay your fair share of the expenses, instead of sharing the expense equally across the board, you're all over that too.
I would really like to know how you people suppose that infrastructure gets funded? Who pays to build and maintain the highways? Why do you not feel like welfare recipients if you are NOT paying for this? Why is that any different than a welfare recipient getting free rent?
You're all about looking after your own, but what about all the shared things you partake of, like roads and trash and water? Is there some kind of little genie who comes to silently take care of alllllll of those things for free?

 

[blackpup]

I find it amusing how you guys (Americans) blame your president for every little thing, no matter if it's this way, or that way, there's always a spin you can attach to it so no matter which way things go, he's d*mned if he does and d*mned if he doesn't. Should this thread be called 'Ready to Pay More For The Privilege of Driving?', or should it perhaps more appropriately be called, 'Ready to Pay For What You Use'?
You guys are mostly all anti share-the-wealth, and yet, when the gummint wants to get you to pay your fair share of the expenses, instead of sharing the expense equally across the board, you're all over that too.
I would really like to know how you people suppose that infrastructure gets funded? Who pays to build and maintain the highways? Why do you not feel like welfare recipients if you are NOT paying for this? Why is that any different than a welfare recipient getting free rent?
You're all about looking after your own, but what about all the shared things you partake of, like roads and trash and water? Is there some kind of little genie who comes to silently take care of alllllll of those things for free?

Gee I thought American drivers already paid a tax on every gallon of gas purchased.

Granted I am none to sure how the government would wring more taxes out of drivers with the vehicle miles traveled tax scheme, but I have faith in their ability to do so.

jimmy

 

[pjjjjj]

Gee I thought American drivers already paid a tax on every gallon of gas purchased.

Granted I am none to sure how the government would wring more taxes out of drivers with the vehicle miles traveled tax scheme, but I have faith in their ability to do so.

jimmy

Good answer (not)

 

[Turtle]

Gee I thought American drivers already paid a tax on every gallon of gas purchased.

First, the miles-driven tax won't be in addition to the gallon tax, it will replace it. Second, do you have any idea how many thing LaHood and the Transportation Department "looks" at but doesn't implement? It's just a snotload. Just because they're looking at something, studying it and researching it, doesn't mean it's a done deal. Thirdly, the GPS is needed so that the miles can be tracked in a given state. You wouldn't want to pay one state for a bunch of miles you drove in another state. That's how Washington and Oregon did it with their pilot program, and it worked very well.

 

[LDB]

Pjjjjj et al, do you not know about property tax, sales tax, fuel tax, motor vehicle tax, income tax, business tax, capital gains tax, and on and on and on and on and on? How are the minority of us who are still actually paying not paying more than our fair share already? You won't find many right thinking people who object to paying their fair share, they just object to paying their share plus some multiple generational lifetime welfare recipient plus some Illegal alien. Get us back to paying only our own share and then you can legitimately criticize anyone complaining about what they have to pay.

 

[blackpup]

I find it amusing how you guys (Americans) blame your president for every little thing, no matter if it's this way, or that way, there's always a spin you can attach to it so no matter which way things go, he's d*mned if he does and d*mned if he doesn't. Should this thread be called 'Ready to Pay More For The Privilege of Driving?', or should it perhaps more appropriately be called, 'Ready to Pay For What You Use'?
You guys are mostly all anti share-the-wealth, and yet, when the gummint wants to get you to pay your fair share of the expenses, instead of sharing the expense equally across the board, you're all over that too.
I would really like to know how you people suppose that infrastructure gets funded? Who pays to build and maintain the highways? Why do you not feel like welfare recipients if you are NOT paying for this? Why is that any different than a welfare recipient getting free rent?
You're all about looking after your own, but what about all the shared things you partake of, like roads and trash and water? Is there some kind of little genie who comes to silently take care of alllllll of those things for free?

Amusing thing about mudslinging Americans . We are not the only ones who like to engage in the practice.

Kelly McParland: Should Stephen Harper be nicer to the media? | Full Comment | National Post

quote "No one knows how unfair the press is better than the press. The only thing they consider more unfair is people who won’t talk to the press. It really bugs them (maybe I should be saying “us”, having been a member for 35 years). Stephen Harper got royally flayed by a certain left-wing Toronto newspaper when he limited his daily question quota to five. Reporters hoped to ask stuff like: “Why are you such a secretive, micromanaging, paranoid, anti-Democratic abuser of Parliament? Oh, and I have a follow-up”. Who does he think he is evading legitimate questions like that? " quote

Sorry this is the best I could do, with my very limited knowledge of Canadian politics

jimmy

 

[pjjjjj]

I'm not really criticizing those who complain about paying so much (if in fact they *do* pay *so* much), and I'm not saying it's ok to be on welfare for generations, and etc. etc. etc.
I'm saying, how do you suggest your government funds the infrastructure that nobody really thinks about? You can't just whine and complain and not think about solutions that would solve the problems without hurting the hard working guys.

There are (honest) people who have large incomes saying they are not paying enough, and asking if it's fair (no it's not!). We have expediters who make sure through write-offs, that they never pay a cent in income tax, and think it's great. I've heard it said that you guys believe that states and cities should pay their own ways. If that happened, you'd have communities in shambles, and nobody would live there any more. What would American become then?
If your govt has turned a blind eye to allow way too many illegals to come into your country and work, it is probably only because the country's *real* citizens won't do the work, or they won't work for the pay being offered. If corporations can't afford American citizens to be their employees, they move their ops to China, and everyone loses.

I'm just saying things aren't so simple as some on here seem to suggest. And instead of complaining all the time, and swishing it around to be Obama's fault no matter which way it goes, or how long ago the wheels were put in motion, how about offering up some potential viable solutions? Like think about the issues from *all* the other perspectives, instead of just your own little singleton self perspective.

Note: when I say 'you', 'your' etc, I am referring to no one in particular.

Pjjjjj et al, do you not know about property tax, sales tax, fuel tax, motor vehicle tax, income tax, business tax, capital gains tax, and on and on and on and on and on? How are the minority of us who are still actually paying not paying more than our fair share already? You won't find many right thinking people who object to paying their fair share, they just object to paying their share plus some multiple generational lifetime welfare recipient plus some Illegal alien. Get us back to paying only our own share and then you can legitimately criticize anyone complaining about what they have to pay.

 

[greg334]

I find it amusing how you guys (Americans) blame your president for every little thing, no matter if it's this way, or that way, there's always a spin you can attach to it so no matter which way things go, he's d*mned if he does and d*mned if he doesn't.

Pjjjj, you are right, but no one seems to mention that this idea came out of the Bush administration in 2004. OR for that fact that the GPS issue is moot anyway because a few insurance companies have pay as you drive insurance which uses the cars ECM mileage to figure out how far you've driven.

ALSO as you asked "I would really like to know how you people suppose that infrastructure gets funded?"

TO answer your question ... No one seemed to also mention that it isn't the problem of funding, it is the problem that the funds generated are not used for the roads. Our federal government has done a few things, one is they HAVE NOT forced specific road building standards for all states to follow, THEY don't require primary roads that are federally funded to be funded 100% with the intended federal funds and finally they DO NOT hold states accountable for the funding that is provided to the state or even in most cases audit those funds 100%.

 

[pjjjjj]

Pjjjjj et al, do you not know about property tax, sales tax, fuel tax, motor vehicle tax, income tax, business tax, capital gains tax, and on and on and on and on and on? How are the minority of us who are still actually paying not paying more than our fair share already? You won't find many right thinking people who object to paying their fair share, they just object to paying their share plus some multiple generational lifetime welfare recipient plus some Illegal alien. Get us back to paying only our own share and then you can legitimately criticize anyone complaining about what they have to pay.

And about the multi-generational lifetime welfare recipients... I don't want to sit here and letchall think I don't have a solution to offer up of my own. But the thing is, if a solution is offered up, then you guys are crying all over it, saying your *rights* are infringed.... so how on earth can anything ever really be dealt with? You want your cake and eat it too, and that's all there is to it.

 

[witness23]

Gee I thought American drivers already paid a tax on every gallon of gas purchased.

Granted I am none to sure how the government would wring more taxes out of drivers with the vehicle miles traveled tax scheme, but I have faith in their ability to do so.

jimmy

I am being dead serious right now. There were three links to three different stories in this thread, did you read any of them? I am truly being serious, and trying to be respectful here.

 

[witness23]

Pjjjj, you are right, but no one seems to mention that this idea came out of the Bush administration in 2004.

uhhhh....I mentioned 2007....helllllooooo And that was from my first search.

 

[blackpup]

I am being dead serious right now. There were three links to three different stories in this thread, did you read any of them? I am truly being serious, and trying to be respectful here.

Yes I have looked through all three articles, though I did not read the wiki until just a few moments ago.

One of the qoutes I copied came from the San Fran. article.

From the wiki
quote "VMT tax is unpopular with voters, tax reform advocates, libertarians, and others concerned with governmental intrusions on privacy. The Civitas Institute in North Carolina conducted a poll, finding most voters opposed to the idea[8]. Many motorists also see VMT as a potential invasion of their privacy, as sensitive location information is needed. Advocates of VMT say that privacy is easy to protect since only billing information is needed and driver information can be contained inside the car's on-board unit; however, many opponents of the "Big Brother" or "Nanny" state is an unwarranted invasion of privacy regardless of what information is stored where. Even if these issues are resolved, many experts believed in 2009 that it would will take a decade before VMT was implemented[" quote

I am probably more concerned about the intrusion into an individuals privacy. if you look at my first post that was my main point.

If you like I will throw mud at bush over the Patriot act

jimmy