Question Dr. lose child to CPS
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Maverick
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Re: Question Dr., lose child to CPS
Actually, he has no point. All along it's been potential of written language which could easily be debated, as here....given it's broad sweeping 900 pages. To many, the facts of the matter remains concern over how this language will be applied....thus making all things possible within the bill.
The blathering attempts to point a finger of alarmist, wacko nuts, mentally unstable toward those who voice these concerns of potential.....is nothing more than someone who wants to form an argument based on we have to weed out those alarmist and get to the real truth? of what the bill actual says, or content written? It's like boxing alright.....with your own arrogant shadow.
These are the same tactics used by the mainstream press. Demonize, misdirect, skew the quotes, and try to render the person making a valid point go away. It's a very simple modus operandi used by many. Get my information from bloggers and wacko nuts? No, many intelligent and learned people are writing on this subject and it's legitimate concern to all who have witnessed what these people have done in the past....given the power over your lives.
Actually, he has no point. All along it's been potential of written language which could easily be debated, as here....given it's broad sweeping 900 pages. To many, the facts of the matter remains concern over how this language will be applied....thus making all things possible within the bill.
The blathering attempts to point a finger of alarmist, wacko nuts, mentally unstable toward those who voice these concerns of potential.....is nothing more than someone who wants to form an argument based on we have to weed out those alarmist and get to the real truth? of what the bill actual says, or content written? It's like boxing alright.....with your own arrogant shadow.
These are the same tactics used by the mainstream press. Demonize, misdirect, skew the quotes, and try to render the person making a valid point go away. It's a very simple modus operandi used by many. Get my information from bloggers and wacko nuts? No, many intelligent and learned people are writing on this subject and it's legitimate concern to all who have witnessed what these people have done in the past....given the power over your lives.
Maverick
Seasoned Expediter
Re: Question Dr., lose child to CPS
Hey Xiggi.....point taken and I did not mean to demean what you stated. Understood is the fact of those crying wolf too often, but in this case, the OP linked a CPS event and made a legit point as to how this can develop into something much broader, given provisions under the stated bill.
Your post here are always to the point, intellectuality worded, and valuable to at least this forum member. Perhaps my wording was a wee bit of spill over from previous "dealings" in this thread. Have a great day, and be safe out there.
Hey Xiggi.....point taken and I did not mean to demean what you stated. Understood is the fact of those crying wolf too often, but in this case, the OP linked a CPS event and made a legit point as to how this can develop into something much broader, given provisions under the stated bill.
Your post here are always to the point, intellectuality worded, and valuable to at least this forum member. Perhaps my wording was a wee bit of spill over from previous "dealings" in this thread. Have a great day, and be safe out there.
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
Re: Question Dr., lose child to CPS
I didn't disagree with what Turtle said, but rather how he said it. IMO, he's correct, in that many people like to play the 'shock card'. When you do that, you dilute the real shortcomings of the thing you're against. Obamacare has plenty of crap in it, not to have to drum up artificial substance to attack. The Democrats are masters at that game. One difference tho... they have the biggest chunk of MSM to parrot the falsehoods.
I may fall for it once or twice, since I don't go on a fact-finding mission, unless something looks out of the norm. But after awhile, authors lose credibility with me, as they should with anyone. Unfortunately, the appeal of the possibility to discredit that thing is just too great. And in the end, the author only ends up discrediting himself.
I didn't disagree with what Turtle said, but rather how he said it. IMO, he's correct, in that many people like to play the 'shock card'. When you do that, you dilute the real shortcomings of the thing you're against. Obamacare has plenty of crap in it, not to have to drum up artificial substance to attack. The Democrats are masters at that game. One difference tho... they have the biggest chunk of MSM to parrot the falsehoods.
I may fall for it once or twice, since I don't go on a fact-finding mission, unless something looks out of the norm. But after awhile, authors lose credibility with me, as they should with anyone. Unfortunately, the appeal of the possibility to discredit that thing is just too great. And in the end, the author only ends up discrediting himself.
Maverick
Seasoned Expediter
Yes, in reading your posts it's obvious you are accurate in most all cases. (my opinion only) However, this careful walk within certain parameters is a safe zone of facts, and only the facts. Outside of those guidelines and adherence are those who look beyond the facts and into other spheres of potential.
We've covered MR Spock but many episodes of this cartoonish series had Mr Spock stepping back to allow Kirk to use instincts, tuition, and forethought to solve an issue. Facts and logic could not get it done. There are those who enjoy a little freedom from facts and figures in order to allow the mind to expand beyond them.
Some of your outlandish claims of what someone else is claiming......tend to negate your mission speak.
Maverick
Seasoned Expediter
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And this was the huge alarmist, false statement, and horribly non-fact item which started the whole debate?
"Actually....this has very much to do with Obama care potential".
While your statements are true, I hardly believe the above would warrant someone rushing and ranting to have me prove potential. We have a rash of murders in the area so let's shoot the first sign of someone with a bulge in their shirt?
It's my opinion we had a clear over reaction based on your offering. Right up to and including wacko people who are trying to scare everyone? Surely, this was not the case and never was the intent.
And this was the huge alarmist, false statement, and horribly non-fact item which started the whole debate?
"Actually....this has very much to do with Obama care potential".
While your statements are true, I hardly believe the above would warrant someone rushing and ranting to have me prove potential. We have a rash of murders in the area so let's shoot the first sign of someone with a bulge in their shirt?
It's my opinion we had a clear over reaction based on your offering. Right up to and including wacko people who are trying to scare everyone? Surely, this was not the case and never was the intent.
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On a side note, I'd like to thank Hawk for his continued, ongoing insightful contributions throughout this thread.
Actually, no. That wasn't what started it. What started it was everything in Post #20 except the line you just quoted. The line quoted above was the one and only opinion in that post that you stated as opinion, and everything else you stated in the post was stated as stone-cold fact. I singled out just one of the facts to rebuke, the forced vaccinations, and also stated that the rest of your facts were also wrong, as well. You then came back and tried to defend the forced vaccinations statement by changing the conditions to a new, more narrow context, as well as asked me to comment on what other "facts" I thought were incorrect. That's what started the whole debate.
It's not really a careful walk within the parameters of the facts, it's a responsible walk. There is nothing wrong with looking outside of the facts into possibilities and potentials. I would argue that it's imperative that you do so in order to better understand the facts themselves. The problem comes when you confuse the possibilities and the potentials with facts, and then state those possibilities as fact. Now you're giving people false and misleading information for them to use to make decisions about their lives. It's irresponsible to do so. It becomes compounded when those possibilities are fear-based and are stated as fact. Then it becomes alarmist, which is incredibly irresponsible.
There's nothing wrong with freeing yourself from facts, as long as you understand that when you do so you are entering fantasy. The problem comes when you confuse fantasy with reality. Speculating on the potentials and possibilities of something is a healthy activity, right up until you start believing the speculations are real. At that point it becomes delusional. You want to spout speculation and opinion, more power to you, that's what the Soapbox is all about. But when you start spouting delusional facts, things that simply are not true, you're almost certainly gonna get called on it.
On a side note, I'd like to thank Hawk for his continued, ongoing insightful contributions throughout this thread.
Maverick
Seasoned Expediter
Re: Question Dr., lose child to CPS
Once again for the dumbfounded. Just what in post 20 is not correct? Understand the words "potential" and "scenario"?
http://www.fortwayne912.com/uploads/what_s_wrong_with_obamacare_FortWayne912.pdf
Can you choose to say......use natural healers under this plan? Can you say in effect "I'll see my own physician and pay whatever he demands, or requires"? Can I go get as many opinions as I choose? This bill has so many mandates and requirements it's been a nightmare for all. (and my personal opinion has much to do with slow down of freight)
You are defacto being told what you can treat, how it can be treated, and to whom is going to be involved in that process. And this vain attempt at deciding what is being presented as cold hard fact vs comments presented following the potential statement has run it's course.
The little fib about me changing directions following your supposed questioning of this suspect, is also not in line, with say.....Tom Cruise and Jack Nicholson. You disputed forced vaccinations all the while example after example can be found with a simple search engine, while a couple of them were obviously ignored.
So once again, we have the expert cross examination coming off as the usual rant and half truths....slanted to fit your need. Based on this continued false accusation and spewing forth of absolutes to another persons intent.......it's no longer time to see what further delights await us.
Over and out.
Once again for the dumbfounded. Just what in post 20 is not correct? Understand the words "potential" and "scenario"?
http://www.fortwayne912.com/uploads/what_s_wrong_with_obamacare_FortWayne912.pdf
Can you choose to say......use natural healers under this plan? Can you say in effect "I'll see my own physician and pay whatever he demands, or requires"? Can I go get as many opinions as I choose? This bill has so many mandates and requirements it's been a nightmare for all. (and my personal opinion has much to do with slow down of freight)
You are defacto being told what you can treat, how it can be treated, and to whom is going to be involved in that process. And this vain attempt at deciding what is being presented as cold hard fact vs comments presented following the potential statement has run it's course.
The little fib about me changing directions following your supposed questioning of this suspect, is also not in line, with say.....Tom Cruise and Jack Nicholson. You disputed forced vaccinations all the while example after example can be found with a simple search engine, while a couple of them were obviously ignored.
So once again, we have the expert cross examination coming off as the usual rant and half truths....slanted to fit your need. Based on this continued false accusation and spewing forth of absolutes to another persons intent.......it's no longer time to see what further delights await us.
Over and out.
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Re: Question Dr., lose child to CPS
You already asked that question, and I've already answered it.
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
Re: Question Dr., lose child to CPS
Yeah, sure you do.
On a side note, I'd like to thank Hawk for his continued, ongoing insightful contributions throughout this thread.
Yeah, sure you do.
Maverick
Seasoned Expediter
Re: Question Dr., lose child to CPS
Getting good? We need to round up all those theorist, dangerous people, and nutcrackers....and nip this thing in the bud right now. Someone here is probably forming a posse as we speak...and this is how it will probably go:
Barneys Gun - YouTube
Wow! This is getting good!
Getting good? We need to round up all those theorist, dangerous people, and nutcrackers....and nip this thing in the bud right now. Someone here is probably forming a posse as we speak...and this is how it will probably go:
Barneys Gun - YouTube
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For those who might think there's no way to connect CPS, DHS, Obamacare and the decision-making process of parents for their children (bold emphasis mine):
Now for those who've read the last three paragraphs in the above editorial and still can't connect the dots for what the future under Obamacare might hold, stop and think about our public education system which was controlled by local authorities once upon a time. Consider the influence the federal govt has now on our local elementary and high schools, and the agenda the feds and their lackeys in the teachers unions impose on our kids. We need to get the federal govt out of our schools and away from our hospitals and doctors' offices.
I don't think anyone disputes what the future ¨could" hold. Everything changes that's the world we live in.
Sent from my Fisher Price ABC-123.
Maverick
Seasoned Expediter
The world has always been in change, the variance is always, what direction? In this case, we have gone from a Republic, to a Democracy, to an ever present sense of socialistic monarchy.......which is the have's, and have not.
It's all been written, is inevitable, and part of The Big Show. Some detect serfdom.....some still believe their free because they can still watch the Super Bowl, call on they're cellphones, and shop for a beer etc. To them.....it's all still good.
It's never been the majority who incite change (either good, or bad) it's a minority who get things done. In this regard.....a handful of people in Congress, Banking, and lobby venue have decided to change the game to their favor.