Pros and cons to a permanent sleeper

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Mschaefer, please define "permanent sleeper". I think there is some confusion. Turtle has a permanent bed with the whole Sprinter being his sleeper. Others have a walled off sleeper area. Personally I prefer the permanent bed and the wide open space of my tuna can when empty.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
As applied to many things, the saying "better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it" can apply here as well. Now, whether that applies to the sleeper or the cargo area is a decision that can only be made by each individual.
 

Camper

Not a Member
It's better to go as minimalist as you can comfortably go with respect to your creature comforts. Doing so, affords you greater flexibility in terms of your work space, enabling you to accommodate more freight.

I have a Coleman air mattress with a built in inflator/deflator mechanism. It inflates and deflates in less than 5 minutes and it suits me just fine.
 

ebsprintin

Veteran Expediter
Run for a while without a "permanent" sleeper and then you can calculate what you would lose in volume and weight.

Also try doing a search on the forum for "sprinter sleeper"--quote marks included.

eb
 

Mschaefer

Active Expediter
Mschaefer, please define "permanent sleeper". I think there is some confusion. Turtle has a permanent bed with the whole Sprinter being his sleeper. Others have a walled off sleeper area. Personally I prefer the permanent bed and the wide open space of my tuna can when empty.

When I mean permanent sleeper I mean a fixed wall everything is in one position I have seen them as long as 5 1/2 feet down to 3 feet. But I was also talking to a friend when runs t/t and we were thinking about building a bulkhead with a bed andd storage under the bed having the bed 3 + feet off the ground and there is a locking caster track that we found so when I need the space I can move it up to 2' of space and when I don't I can move it back to 4-5' and its all on casters and tracks but I gotta wait until I get the van in my hands to do proper measurements and ill see if something like that would even work.

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ebsprintin

Veteran Expediter
Don't get creative until you've been out on the road with the van. That will save you one time of rebuilding everything.

eb
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Take a look at this link and look at all the pictures...you can have a good size personal area and a bed to sleep in that can be taken down in minutes to give you all the cargo area you need...Ihave 6 ft of personal area and can still haul 2 48x48 skids and when i need the 3rd skid, i take the bed down and roll up the carpet:

http://www.expeditersonline.com/forum/truck-talk/46846-chef-denniss-new-cargomax.html

But as EB said, take your time, do whatever you need to to get by for a while, then after you have been on the road a while, you have a better idea of how you want to set things up for your comfort and still be bale to maximize your freight capacity..
 

NorthernBill

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I like the idea of a bulkhead for the back of the personal area. Having it movable would be a big plus. Being able to seal the bulkhead to the side of the van, in two differant locations for temp control and movement would be a nice. Has any one seen or heard of being able to seal a moveable bulkhead?
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I like the idea of a bulkhead for the back of the personal area. Having it movable would be a big plus. Being able to seal the bulkhead to the side of the van, in two differant locations for temp control and movement would be a nice. Has any one seen or heard of being able to seal a moveable bulkhead?

Not a perfect seal but close enough...
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
some are using like a 1 in. rubber gasket, like the bottom of a door weather sealer type...enough flex to allow a reasonable seal...
 

NorthernBill

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Thanks,some thing simple would be nice, but I was thinking along the lines of a air chamber or jacking bolts pushing on closed cell foam.
 

paullud

Veteran Expediter
Thanks,some thing simple would be nice, but I was thinking along the lines of a air chamber or jacking bolts pushing on closed cell foam.

A heavy blanket will work wonders and is much easier to move around.

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Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Run for a while without a "permanent" sleeper and then you can calculate what you would lose in volume and weight.
Sort of. You'll only be loaded to your capacity. If you can fit three skids, you'll get three skid loads when two skid loads are also available. But that doesn't mean you would have not gotten one of those two skid loads, instead, nor does it necessarily mean that you lost any money because two skids paid less than three, since the customer rents the entire truck regardless and usually one skid, three skids, or one envelope pays exactly the same. It can vary, of course, especially with each carrier.

The biggest thing about running for a while without a permanent sleeper is that you can figure out what is and is not important with a sleeper, not only in terms of whether you want or need a permanent one, but what kind and how big you want it. One of the worst things you can do is to get a van and immediately put in a permanent sleeper, only to find out over the next few months you wish you'd have done a dozen things differently.

For a long time I drove a short wheelbase E-350, no room for a permanent sleeper. I slept on an air mattress (double-height twin from Walmart, insanely comfortable) that I inflated and took down every day. I knew my next van would be one with a permanent sleeper, because I knew that I wouldn't be able to last another year without one. Everyone's comfort level is different, but for me, continuing to be that uncomfortable out on the road would have meant not continuing to be out on the road. But also, driving that van for so long without a permanent sleeper let me figure out exactly what I wanted in one.
 

ebsprintin

Veteran Expediter
Sort of. You'll only be loaded to your capacity. If you can fit three skids, you'll get three skid loads when two skid loads are also available. But that doesn't mean you would have not gotten one of those two skid loads, instead, nor does it necessarily mean that you lost any money because two skids paid less than three, since the customer rents the entire truck regardless and usually one skid, three skids, or one envelope pays exactly the same. It can vary, of course, especially with each carrier.
It is the "it can vary..." part that I'm talking about. You only have an idea of how any carrier works until you are running their system. One carrier pays higher for sprinter loads, another carrier "says" they pay for sprinter loads. Once that is established then I'll work on being creative.

eb
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Don't get creative until you've been out on the road with the van. That will save you one time of rebuilding everything.

eb

Been there, done that. Been there, done that. Been there, still doing that!
 
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