Plame speaks.

[muttly]

Instead of posting this in the Gowdy thread, and diverting from that topic, I started a new one.
When Bushies blew a CIA cover, it was 'treason'; now, it's a mistake | WashingtonExaminer.com

 

[layoutshooter]

Instead of posting this in the Gowdy thread, and diverting from that topic, I started a new one.
When Bushies blew a CIA cover, it was 'treason'; now, it's a mistake | WashingtonExaminer.com

What else did you expect? You can bet that the Obama excuse team will be out in force protecting their god.

 

[RLENT]

What makes the wing-nut crowd so amusing is their inclination to conflate and their inability to differentiate ...

 

[layoutshooter]

Slick Willie got one killed in Greece and nothing was done. ALL of these scumbags that get elected are allowed to get away with all kinds of crap. Most of them did not have the stones to do the dangerous work themselves. Then again, that is how it often is.

 

[muttly]

What else did you expect? You can bet that the Obama excuse team will be out in force protecting their god.

Obama Excuse Team or Obama Apologist Team Saviors. (O.A.T.S.) works for me. They be eating them oats. Hehe.

 

[layoutshooter]

Obama Excuse Team or Obama Apologist Team Saviors. (O.A.T.S.) works for me. They be eating them oats. Hehe.

Tofu and kool-aid.

 

[RLENT]

Tofu and kool-aid.

We're now into Obama's second term ... would you care to revise your prediction as to when he is going to round up the "patriotic" crowd and do the mass internments ?

As I recall, your initial prediction was within a couple of months of his original inauguration ...

Seems like a revision to the timeline is in order ...

 

[cheri1122]

Instead of posting this in the Gowdy thread, and diverting from that topic, I started a new one.
When Bushies blew a CIA cover, it was 'treason'; now, it's a mistake | WashingtonExaminer.com

Maybe you should reread that topic, because we discussed the difference between a genuine mistake and a deliberate decision to exact revenge.
Unless you know of some evidence that this was other than a mistake?

 

[muttly]

Maybe you should reread that topic, because we discussed the difference between a genuine mistake and a deliberate decision to exact revenge.
Unless you know of some evidence that this was other than a mistake?

Yes there is a difference between a genuine colossal dufus mistake and a deliberate decision to exact revenge.
And there is this from article I posted:
There's no doubt the Bush officials deliberately revealed Plame's CIA connection, if not her name, to the press. But the Plame leak could be characterized as inadvertent in one sense: the leakers, both in the State Department and the White House, did not know that Plame's status at the CIA was classified when they mentioned her to reporters. That is why no one was ever charged with leaking her identity; they did not knowingly and deliberately reveal classified information. So in that sense it was all a mistake. Yes, it was inadvertent, colossally stupid, an embarrassment -- but it was a mistake.

 

[cheri1122]

A 'mistake' in not knowing the info was classified [if they really didn't know it, which seems highly unlikely for Rove, but it couldn't be proven that they knew] in the one part does not cancel out the intent to cause harm, which they definitely did.
The intent is the difference, if you haven't figured that out.

 

[Pilgrim]

Maybe a trip down memory lane might be in order.

...Fitzgerald was unable to prove that Libby knew Plame was a “covert”, either in court or when he discussed her with reporters. Valerie Plame can’t prove it either.
In 1982, Congress passed the Intelligence Identities Protection Act. This law makes it a federal crime to knowingly reveal the identity of a CIA agent who has conducted covert roles overseas within five years of the disclosure. To violate this law, the person who disclosed the agent’s identity must have been aware that the agent was “covert” at the time of the disclosure.

Additionally, in order to prosecute anyone who discloses the identity of a covert agent it is imperative that the government prove she was indeed “covert.”
At this point, no one, least of all Fitzgerald, has done this...

Washington lawyer Victoria Toensing, former chief counsel or the Senate Intelligence Committee and former deputy assistant attorney general in the Reagan administration testified to the committee shortly after Plame. Toensing said the definition of “covert” wasn’t as simple as Plame said it was.

Toensing helped write the 1982 Identities Protection Act legislation and insisted “She [Plame] was not a covert agent under the Act.”
“Nobody was ever charged with knowing that she was covert” Toensing explained. “Therefore she wasn’t covered by the statute.”

The act defines a “covert” agent as one whose undercover status is classified, has been assigned to foreign duties within the past five years, and which the government has made a concerted effort to conceal the identity... Since Plame had been living in Washington for some time when the July 2003 column was published, and was working at a desk job in Langley (a no-no for a person with a need for cover), there is a serious legal question as to whether she qualifies as ‘covert.’”...

So far, neither Plame, nor Waxman, nor Hayden or anyone else has been able to show that by law Plame was a covert agent on July 14, 2003...And bottom line of this case is that Fitzgerald hasn’t been able to prosecute anyone under the law Toensing helped write and Plame and her Democrat allies continue to exploit.

'I'm Not a Lawyer' and Other Distortions From Valerie Plame | Human Events

Nobody was able to prove the aforementioned malicious intent either; today, it remains a gratuitous assertion. However, proving the incompetence of the Obama White House looks like a slam dunk and we're supposed to be satisfied with another investigation to make sure yet another colossal blunder "never happens again".

 

[RLENT]

Maybe a trip down memory lane might be in order.

Sure why not:

"Libby was convicted of obstruction of justice, making false statements, and two counts of perjury."

"Having suspended his license to practice law on April 3, 2007, the D.C. Bar "disbarred [him] pursuant to D.C. Code § 11-2503(a)" on legal grounds of "moral turpitude", effective April 11, 2007, and recommended to the D.C. Court of Appeals his permanent disbarment if his conviction were not overturned on appeal."

IOW: Disbarred convict ...

If it weren't for the Cretin from Crawford, Scooter would have been Bubba's roommate ...

Nobody was able to prove the aforementioned malicious intent either; today, it remains a gratuitous assertion.

You should probably look up those big words before using them ... you know: gratuitously ...

BTW, this:

"Nobody was ever charged with knowing that she was covert" Toensing explained. "Therefore she wasn’t covered by the statute."

It's fallacious ... prosecutors will often not charge on an offense if they don't feel they can prove it and get a conviction - regardless of whether they believe the defendant is actually guilty.

Not being able to prove a charge doesn't necessarily equate to "innocent" ...

Nice try ... but #FAIL

 

[Pilgrim]

Yes there is a difference between a genuine colossal dufus mistake and a deliberate decision to exact revenge.

The incompetence of the Obama administration is becoming more obvious by the day. But if we stop to think about it, Barack Hussein Obama and his minions are likely more deliberate in exacting revenge upon their political enemies than were the Nixon and Clinton administrations. How easily we forget about the "Fast & Furious" gun-running scandal, what it entailed and what happened to the whistleblower who exposed it:

The Justice Department’s inspector general concluded Monday that a high-ranking political appointee destroyed Mr. Dodson’s credibility and ruined a career. The Justice Department scheme, to allow criminals and gangbangers to purchase guns in the United States and slip them across the border to the Mexican drug cartels to track the movement of illegal guns, was weird and nutty from the beginning. The death of a Border Patrol agent, Brian Terry, who was killed with one of the 2,000 guns “walked” to the gangbangers, moved Mr. Dodson to blow the whistle.

Read more: EDITORIAL: The Obama enemies list - Washington Times

But not only does Obama target government agents that sin against him, but also private citizens like Frank VanderSloot who might exercise their right to donate to his political opponents:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10000872396390444464304577537233908744496

And let's not forget the current investigation of the IRS targeting Tea Party and other organizations during an election year - surely that hasn't yet faded from memory.

It's evident that what we now have in the White House is a troubling combination of corrupt, incompetent bunglers that have no hesitation when they see fit to exact revenge upon their political enemies. Obama and his lackeys seem to be unconcerned if careers are ruined or lives are lost in achieving his political goals. After all, "what difference does it make" if they get caught, so long as an investigation is conducted to "make sure it never happens again"?

 

[muttly]

Regarding the Fast and Furious debacle. It's been a long time trying to pry information and get a resolution to this . Again, so much for transparency, seems like a common theme regarding this administration. It shouldn't have to come down to lawsuits to get information regarding this. Looks like more information they would prefer kept under a rug.
From article:
Now, why would Dodson (and now Judicial Watch) be interested in communications involving Schmaler and the Fortune magazine writer?

Evidence suggests Schmaler leaked information about Dodson to Eban, including Dodson’s confidential personnel file. The alleged purpose was to smear Dobson’s name and to undermine his credibility. In 2011, Dodson became the first ATF special agent to go public with allegations that his supervisors had authorized the flow of weapons into Mexico as part of the failed Fast and Furious gun-walking operation.

In May 2013, the Justice Department’s Inspector General published a report confirming that senior officials at DOJ, including Schmaler, discussed discrediting Dodson. Schmaler resigned her position at the DOJ in March 2013 after news broke that she had worked with left-wing Obama ally Media Matters to discredit Dodson, other whistleblowers, members of Congress, and reporters who sought to investigate DOJ scandals.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/06/02/Justice-Department-Sued-on-behalf-of-ATF-Fast-Furious-Whistleblower-Dodson

 

[muttly]

Justice Department Sued on Behalf of ATF Fast & Furious Whistleblower John Dodson

 

[muttly]

A 'mistake' in not knowing the info was classified [if they really didn't know it, which seems highly unlikely for Rove, but it couldn't be proven that they knew] in the one part does not cancel out the intent to cause harm, which they definitely did.
The intent is the difference, if you haven't figured that out.

Yes, intent is important. Just ask Mr.Dodson.

 

[Pilgrim]

Yes, intent is important. Just ask Mr.Dodson.

Compare the degree of harm done to Dodson to that of Valerie Plame. Instead of being put in harm's way she was featured on the cover of Vanity Fair, made the subject of a Hollywood movie and to this day continues her lifestyle as a Washington bon vivant along with her wealthy socialite husband. Somehow, I doubt that neither Dodson nor the former Kabul CIA Station Chief will be so fortunate.

 

[cheri1122]

Compare the degree of harm done to Dodson to that of Valerie Plame. Instead of being put in harm's way she was featured on the cover of Vanity Fair, made the subject of a Hollywood movie and to this day continues her lifestyle as a Washington bon vivant along with her wealthy socialite husband. Somehow, I doubt that neither Dodson nor the former Kabul CIA Station Chief will be so fortunate.

That the attempted revenge ultimately backfired doesn't make the intent less wrong.
Regarding Dodson, no one claims Obama or his admin is beyond reproach, but sometimes, [as in the Kabul slip], a cigar is just a cigar, and always seeing something nefarious in it makes one look, shall we say, obsessed?

PS Anyone using the word 'minions' without reference to the characters in "Despicable Me" sounds like someone who takes their talking points direct from the far right, without even bothering to use their own words, or maybe just a pretentious Dittohead, IMO.

 

[cheri1122]

Yes, intent is important. Just ask Mr.Dodson.

Dodson was a whistleblower [for which I applaud him], and retaliation is a well known response to that. Anyone who violated the law to 'smear' or penalize him should be held accountable.
Wilson was a man who spoke what he believed to be the truth, and when it wasn't what the President wanted to hear, he was penalized [through his wife, no less] and you think the two are comparable?
BTW: I'd look really closely at a piece of writing that states: "Burke admitted to attempting to smear Dodson" just before Burke's attorney states "Mr Burke denies attempting to smear Dodson".

 

[RLENT]

BTW: I'd look really closely at a piece of writing that states: "Burke admitted to attempting to smear Dodson" just before Burke's attorney states "Mr Burke denies attempting to smear Dodson".

LOL ... too funny ...