Plame speaks.

muttly

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Dodson was a whistleblower [for which I applaud him], and retaliation is a well known response to that. Anyone who violated the law to 'smear' or penalize him should be held accountable.
Wilson was a man who spoke what he believed to be the truth, and when it wasn't what the President wanted to hear, he was penalized [through his wife, no less] and you think the two are comparable?
BTW: I'd look really closely at a piece of writing that states: "Burke admitted to attempting to smear Dodson" just before Burke's attorney states "Mr Burke denies attempting to smear Dodson". :rolleyes:

I'd look real close at the inspector general's report which declared Burke's claim his actions were "aboveboard". Something about "not credible".
 

Pilgrim

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That the attempted revenge ultimately backfired doesn't make the intent less wrong.
It was never proven there was an "attempted revenge", but even if it was - so what? Political revenge is an everyday occurrence, and anyone who knows anything about LBJ, Nixon, Clinton and especially Obama should realize this. There was no backfire either, other than Libby being served up as a sacrificial lamb by Patrick Fitzgerald. Not much result considering the time and taxpayers' money spent on a non-event.
Regarding Dodson, no one claims Obama or his admin is beyond reproach, but sometimes, [as in the Kabul slip], a cigar is just a cigar, and always seeing something nefarious in it makes one look, shall we say, obsessed?
The series of Obama scandals speak for themselves - no obsession needed.
PS Anyone using the word 'minions' without reference to the characters in "Despicable Me" sounds like someone who takes their talking points direct from the far right, without even bothering to use their own words, or maybe just a pretentious Dittohead, IMO.
Just can't go without those silly little personal digs can you, regardless of their irrelevance. But since you brought it up, I probably learned that word in what used to be called Jr High School in an age when vocabulary was actually taught, expanding it was encouraged and reading classic works of literature was required. I see nothing wrong with continuing to read books instead of watching children's cartoons.
 

cheri1122

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I agree that political revenge is an everyday thing, because politicians are human, but the revenge must be devised so as to be untraceable, or perfectly legal. ;)
The "personal dig" wasn't meant to be limited to you - the word minions has been an overused buzzword of the far right ever since the movie appeared. Before that, it was used almost never, so it kind of stands out.
And in response the the personal dig offered in return, I bet I read more books than anyone you know, and at least half of them are what I consider educational. The rest are just whatever interests me at the moment. [Right now, it's witchcraft in colonial America.]
PS 'Despicable Me' isn't a cartoon, it's an animated movie. And a pretty good one, if you enjoy laughing. ;)
 

Pilgrim

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I'm pretty familiar with Despicable Me - my grandkids have watched it and the sequel on our TV more times than I'd like to remember. However, I've never seen all of it myself and didn't know about the "minions". Just never have been able to get into animated movies with them, and the cartoons kids watch today are just plain awful. Hopefully Spongebob Squarepants will die from the next oil spill.

I remember from previous posts that you read a lot - kudos for that - and you probably do read more for pleasure than most everybody I know; so do I. PS - author suggestion: John Connolly, a native Irishman that lives in Maine - style and storylines are very similar to Thomas Harris, and occasionally he exposes his very liberal political leanings.

Back to political revenge subject - my bet is that by the time Obama's 2d term is over it will have been proven that he was more vengeful and corrupt than Nixon was in his dreams. The mainstream media simply won't go after a black liberal POTUS while he's in office, and the insiders won't blow the whistle on him until he's gone because of their fear of retribution.
 

cheri1122

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I'm pretty familiar with Despicable Me - my grandkids have watched it and the sequel on our TV more times than I'd like to remember. However, I've never seen all of it myself and didn't know about the "minions". Just never have been able to get into animated movies with them, and the cartoons kids watch today are just plain awful. Hopefully Spongebob Squarepants will die from the next oil spill.

I remember from previous posts that you read a lot - kudos for that - and you probably do read more for pleasure than most everybody I know; so do I. PS - author suggestion: John Connolly, a native Irishman that lives in Maine - style and storylines are very similar to Thomas Harris, and occasionally he exposes his very liberal political leanings.

Back to political revenge subject - my bet is that by the time Obama's 2d term is over it will have been proven that he was more vengeful and corrupt than Nixon was in his dreams. The mainstream media simply won't go after a black liberal POTUS while he's in office, and the insiders won't blow the whistle on him until he's gone because of their fear of retribution.

Pixar is to SpongeBob as Jane Austen is to Jackie Collins, lol.
I'm still laughing over the "there was no backfire" comment. Do you mean that the media attention and Plame's subsequent fame [which translates into money, these days] and Libby's sacrifice was the intended goal? I think not.
Why do you suppose the "mainstream media simply won't go after a black liberal POTUS while he's in office"? His actions merit praise, or criticism, based upon their own merits [or lack thereof], so why is race and/or ideology involved? I like some things he's done, and am very disturbed by others, and I hardly think that's different for most folks. [Tea Partiers excepted, they hate everything he's done, or tried, or suggested - but they promised they would.] We don't expect the POTUS to be flawless, he is, after all, just a man, [hahaha], but we expect him to do the best he is able for all of us.

PS I've read Connolly, but I guess it didn't make a big impression, since I can't remember which one, lol. The last great fiction I read was "Code Name Verity" - but something I bet you'd like is a trilogy in the steampunk genre, "Goliath", "Behemoth" and I forget the 3rd humongous name, lol, by Scott Westerfeld - excellent reading.
 
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