Pit bulls rip arms off a 74 yo veteran

AMonger

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Plus, the Dogs in question had a history of attacks before this attack.
The Old Testament has much to say about justice and compensation in the event someone's dangerous animal gets loose and hurts someone, then goes on to address what should happen if an animal was known to have attacked in the past but the owner didn't take necessary measures to see to it it never happened again. The general equity portions of scripture hold up rather well today.

I'm going to go with the Majority of how MOST people feel about Pit Bulls, and be ignorant about it too, and that is the breed needs to be EXTERMINATED off the face of the earth, Period.

Bad Owners, Bad Breeders, Bad Dogs, who really cares??? Get rid of the problem that causes the most damage, IE the breed of the dog itself, and there will be no bad owners or bad breeders.

You know, sensible people rail against hopolophobes because they blame the object, not the human that's responsible for the violence. You're using similar reasoning.
 

cheri1122

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Ignorance is something to be proud of?
It's ignorance that causes people to blame the dog/breed for bad behavior, when it's the owner/breeder who's at fault.
It's ignorance that causes people to choose a dog they know almost nothing about, then blame the dog for behavior that is typical for the breed, and their own lack of knowledge and commitment towards training.
It's ignorance that has shelters overflowing with animals that will be euthanized rather than adopted.
Ignorance is nothing to be proud of.
 

Pilgrim

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More to the story here:
Prior dog bites and dog fight at home where Hawthorne man mauled by pit bulls | jacksonville.com
The man might lose his other arm too, and possibly his life.
Plus, the Dogs in question had a history of attacks before this attack.
I'm going to go with the Majority of how MOST people feel about Pit Bulls, and be ignorant about it too, and that is the breed needs to be EXTERMINATED off the face of the earth, Period.
Bad Owners, Bad Breeders, Bad Dogs, who really cares??? Get rid of the problem that causes the most damage, IE the breed of the dog itself, and there will be no bad owners or bad breeders.
Take it as you wish, but I'll stand proud with my ignorant opinion when I say Exterminate the Breed once and for all.

There's obviously a history with those dogs and their owners and as is usually the case, nobody wants to bear responsibility. Whether it seems reasonable or not, pit bull types have a bad reputation throughout the country right now because of the high number of attacks by this breed resulting in serious injuries or fatalities. Assuming we could actually exterminate the breed, there is a certain segment of society that would just find another breed to take it's place.

On the other hand, in the unlikely event that my next door neighbor brings home a pit bull, this would create a situation where good fences make good neighbors. Even if that's the case, I've got a deal to offer him that doesn't require his agreement - in fact, it's more a statement of policy on my part considering the local leash laws are in my favor. If I see his potentially vicious dog on my property I'll shoot it on sight. With that in mind, I can comfortably play with my grand-daughters in my back yard and walk in the woods behind it, all the while enjoying my blissful.....prudence.
 

Dakota

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Did you know it is difficult if not impossible to get home owners insurance if you own a Rottweiler? I am sure it is the same with pitbulls.

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cheri1122

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Did you know it is difficult if not impossible to get home owners insurance if you own a Rottweiler? I am sure it is the same with pitbulls.

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I had a Rottweiler from 1989-2001, when she had to be put down due to an enlarged heart.
No problem with insurance, or the neighbors, either - just some ignorant folks who saw "Ferris Bueller" and thought all Rotts are like the one in the movie.

 

AMonger

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Well, "Ignorant And Proud" is the motto of many pit bull owners, as well as most community college graduates, Creationists, and Sarah Palin.

You can't SERIOUSLY be something other than a creationist. You're smarter than that.
 

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You can't SERIOUSLY be something other than a creationist. You're smarter than that.
Smarter than what? Recognizing evidentiary fact and favoring it over unsubstantiated, anecdotal beliefs which purport The Flintstones to be a documentary? The universe isn't Geocentric anymore, either. Gotta keep up.
 

chefdennis

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Dakota wrote:

Did you know it is difficult if not impossible to get home owners insurance if you own a Rottweiler? I am sure it is the same with pitbulls.

Its not a problem with either breed in Ohio..
 

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AMonger

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Smarter than what? Recognizing evidentiary fact and favoring it over unsubstantiated, anecdotal beliefs which purport The Flintstones to be a documentary? The universe isn't Geocentric anymore, either. Gotta keep up.

I have yet to hear anything, aside from your post, that jokes about the Flintstones being a documentary (there was that comedy starring Tim Allen as a Shatner-esque former sci-fi actor who makes a living attending SF conventions, where some geeky guys glom onto him; he thinks they want him to make another appearance somewhere, when in fact, they're actual spacemen who mistake his television show for a documentary and wish to recruit him to help them against their evil adversary. Hilarity, or at least moderate amusement, ensues.) Perhaps you're alluding to the belief (read that: fact) that dinosaurs and man co-existed.

Anyway, after reviewing the alternate beliefs about the origin of the universe, I decided, "You've got to do better than that." More holes in them than they claim in the Christian belief about the origins of the cosmos. In the end, they criticize religion for the religious nature of creation belief, but don't see how their own un-reproducable theories are religious in nature.

Been looking into some alternate Christian beliefs regarding Genesis, namely that Genesis wasn't supposed to be and doesn't claim to be an account of the origin of the cosmos, but rather the genesis of God's dealings with the Jews. Nevertheless, creation still holds more water than "cosmic-accident" theories, and does so more honestly.
 

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Well, since it appears that we're no longer talking about pit bulls...

The basis of science is to make claims that are testable. That does not mean provable. It means falsifiable. When an experiment in science matches the hypothesis, it doesn't "prove" something, it indicates that the hypothesis appears to be correct within the limits of the experiment. If it does not match the hypothesis, then the theory behind the hypothesis is faulty and must be revised or discarded.

Science progresses when previous theories are shown to be incorrect or incomplete, and are revised or replaced. And experiments are also required to be reproduceable by anyone who wishes to test the theory and can recreate the experiment.

Religion does not leave any room for falsification whatsoever. You can't prove a religious belief false, that's how the belief system is structured. It may be possible for an actual divine act to occur and convince people that a belief is true, but it's unlikely to be replicatable at will by skeptics who did not witness the event, and some witnesses may choose to believe another explanation than divine intervention.

If we started finding fossils that suddenly changed from one type of animal to another in a single generation, or fossils where the exact same collection of species are stagnant all the way back to the beginning of time, or even where identical complex features suddenly appeared in many species separated by a wide distance simultaneously... or if we weren't able to reproduce selective breeding or specification in the lab... or if no bacteria ever developed resistance to antibiotics... or if genetic tests on existing fossils hadn't shown genetic drift tempered by survivability in an environment... and so on.

These types of observations would start to falsify the theory of evolution. The theory would have to change to accommodate them.

There is no way to falsify creationism. Any observation anyone makes can simply be explained by "God made it that way." There is no way to refute it with evidence - it is a belief-based system that depends solely on a supreme being instead of natural processes.

Thus, not science, no matter if you call it Creation Science or whatever. It's simply not science. At best, it's junk science that looks specifically for things within science to prove a belief. That's simply not how science works.

Science is the eternal curious ape asking "why's that, then?". As soon as you put in "irreducible complexity" you've closed off science.

Religion has been cut back further and further thanks to science, from being the reason why lions eat people, lightning strikes and illness happens. Now we know that lions are independent creatures that eat meat, lightning strikes are caused by electrical buildup in the clouds and that illnesses are caused by little organisms. Every time science answers a question "why's that, then?" god gets a little slimmer.

Religion is used to fervently oppose science by those uneducated masses who understand neither their own religion or science. This is where those who are pro-science and anti-religion get their frustration with religion from. The extreme distrust of intellectualism throughout the US in particular is a major block in the advancement of society on a wide variety of fronts, and most often that distrust is manufactured as a form of religious views attacking scientific foundations and research.

It's someone saying, "I don't like they way you live your life. I don't like the way you talk about things or think about things, and I feel threatened by the decisions you make, so I'm going to get together with my like-minded friends and talk about how you're a horrible and stupid person."

It comes from both camps, science and religion. Sometimes it's because the one side is genuinely threatening to the other, but often enough, I think it's just because of the nice little ego boost that comes from calling someone else stupid and/or wrong. It's also very upsetting for many people to admit that they might not understand something. For someone to say something you don't understand, to admit that you don't understand, and then to admit that they might not be wrong - for many people that is in itself a terrifying threat. To admit you might be wrong and someone else might be right. Oh, the horror.

The real deal is that the scientific method can never really disprove the existence of God, so there can be no genuine conflict between science and the belief in God. Again, those who think there is a genuine conflict between the two, really and truly understand neither. Oddly enough, none of the major religions actually command you to be petty and ignorant and to disbelieve your experience. All the pettiness on both sides are just people being petty. There is no battle between God and science.
 
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Brisco

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No, we're obviously not talking about Pit Bulls, or pit bull attacks any longer......

With what's being discussed now, I feel like I need to go find a doobie so I can keep up with the discussion between Turtle and Amon. :D
 

Pilgrim

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This must be some kind of record for wandering away from the thread's original subject matter: from "Pit bulls rip arms off 74 yo veteran" to theories regarding the origin of the universe :confused:
 

Turtle

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Well, I dunno. Do pit bulls rip the arms off 74-year old veterans because of Godless evolution, or did God have a hand in all this? :D
 

layoutshooter

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This must be some kind of record for wandering away from the thread's original subject matter: from "Pit bulls rip arms off 74 yo veteran" to theories regarding the origin of the universe :confused:

Pit bulls are part of the universe. So are the bad owners and breeders as well as the good ones. SO, ones NEEDS to understand the origins of OUR universe, not any others that my exist, to understand pit bulls and the related problems.

That is, unless, the problems that we see with pit bulls are being caused by the interaction with another universe?

Where is Dr. Kaku when you need him? :p
 

AMonger

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That there is no enmity between faith and science is my view, also, and the view of some refreshing voices in creationist circles, like Ken Ham. There was a time, of course, that Christians disbelieved the existence of dinosaurs, but after science forced them to look at evidence, reasoned that the Bible tells us that God created both man and all the beasts, and that both the Bible and archeological evidence in the form of cave paintings (perhaps that would be anthropology instead) support that. The Bible mentions huge and fierce creatures that we can't identify as anything that we know enough about.

So it makes me curious why you stated something to the effect of ridiculing creationists, if you find no enmity between science and faith.
 

Turtle

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So it makes me curious why you stated something to the effect of ridiculing creationists, if you find no enmity between science and faith.
Because many creationists (the fundamentalists, primarily, the ones who think The Creation Museum in northern KY is absolutely factual) will dismiss any and all scientific fact that doesn't fit well with their beliefs, and will, in fact, prefer to not even learn about such nonsense as Evolution in any form. I have a good friend who is like that. I once asked him if he has read a particular book about science, and he said the only book he ever reads in the Bible, because everything he needs to know about everything is in there. He prefers to remain ignorant about anything that might contradict his beliefs, and he's proud of that fact.

But mainly is was humor. I had hoped that the humor was clear enough. Obviously, I was wrong and my delivery was flawed.

Then again, I also know that "Christian humor" is an oxymoron. :D
 

layoutshooter

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"Then again, I also know that "Christian humor" is an oxymoron."

I know some priests that would be able to change your thinking on this!! They are FULL of good humor! Also they are joyful. Not all Christians are "stick in the muds" I think you will find that Christians come in many flavors. There is NO such monolithic "block" of people that are Christian.
 

Turtle

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"Then again, I also know that "Christian humor" is an oxymoron."

I know some priests that would be able to change your thinking on this!! They are FULL of good humor! Also they are joyful. Not all Christians are "stick in the muds" I think you will find that Christians come in many flavors. There is NO such monolithic "block" of people that are Christian.

"Christian humor is an oxymoron".... also a joke.

One of the funniest jokes I've ever heard in my life was told to me by a priest in Montpelier, VT. It's a joke that cannot be posted here. :D
 

Ragman

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One of the funniest jokes I've ever heard in my life was told to me by a priest in Montpelier, VT. It's a joke that cannot be posted here. :D

If it's the one about the preist, minister and rabbi, you're right, It can't be posted! :eek:
 
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