Pilot/J accused of rebate fraud, Millions of $

moose

Veteran Expediter
I am a man of many talents. obviously you mist the word CAN in my last statements.
but it was fun learning a new word. i was never called that before, apparently for a rezone.@ first it was like 'am i supposed to be offended?'{probably} then came the good O'l Googling and the first Wikipedia description of a Knucklehead was related to a Haly-Davidson, well, that cant be true, that just ain't me...Stubborn? You'Betch'yah. Knucklehead? not a chance...
 

moose

Veteran Expediter
That's because of "Moose Mentality." Scientist from the 'Moose Reaserch Institute' believe it comes from licking salt from the roadways.
well it was, up until the Gov. replaced salt with 'OMG it's burn' chemicals on our roadways .now the Moose majority feel right @ home here in America. like most American's we are placed on,Gov. provided, psychotic drugs.
 

Ragman

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
How bout a moose knuckle then? Google(image) that one

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zorry

Veteran Expediter
I thought we are discussing alleged thievery at Flying J/Pilot.

BTW,making a decent profit , and being a good steward of that money is ok.

Stealing money to buy a football team or any other reason is wrong.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Phil, I'd say this was rude as you do not know what I do with my money.
You do not know what I contribute to charity, underprivileged children, etc.
I donated my car to an unwed mother needing transportation.
I do not have toys, a summer home, etc.
The joy of having money is giving it away. Quietly.

It is commendable to give money to charity, underprivileged children, etc.; and a car to an unwed mother. And you are correct. I did not know you did such things.

But the question I raised remains the same. Let me reword it into two questions for clarity. This is not about you, Zorry. It's about anyone.

1. At what point does it become appropriate and justified for one person to criticize another for being greedy?

2. If a person has more than he or she needs, and then works to earn more, and any part of it is kept for one's self, is that an act of greed?
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Zorry, this may come as a surprise to you but Phil dosen't have a summer home... he has a Florida Vacation Home.

I don't get your meaning, bubblehead. If it is not a Florida vacation home, what else would it be? It is not our primary residence. It is located in Florida. We go there to take a winter vacation instead of hauling freight in some of the winter months.
 

Slo-Ride

Veteran Expediter
1. At what point does it become appropriate and justified for one person to criticize another for being greedy?

2. If a person has more than he or she needs, and then works to earn more, and any part of it is kept for one's self, is that an act of greed?

If your throwing these Qs out for anyone Ill bite.

1. At the point of charging nearly 3 times the market price for something just because you have a captive audience. I don't mind paying a lil extra @ a truck stop but highly inflated prices we see are shameful and I consider it greed.

2. A little tougher and as long as your not raping anyone to achieve it Ill consider it beer money and think you should keep it.
 

zorry

Veteran Expediter
If you have to lie,cheat,steal,or do something immoral you open yourself up to criticism .
If your thoughts are consumed by nothing but profits, that's wrong. It's one's personal business or problem, depending on one's point of view.
Profits are good. Letting them consume your life,not so good.
 

zorry

Veteran Expediter
Further discussion of Greed I would think should be in a thread started in the Soapbox.

This discussion is about Pilot,what's happening there,and how it may or may not affect us in the future.

Strange that I say that as I spin off topic frequently.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Further discussion of Greed I would think should be in a thread started in the Soapbox.

This discussion is about Pilot,what's happening there,and how it may or may not affect us in the future.

Strange that I say that as I spin off topic frequently.

Strange indeed. Few topics stay on topic for long as natural conversational flow takes them from one topic to another. We are not as far off topic as you may think. You raised the issue of corporate greed. I'm responding by asking expediters to consider their own greed and by implication suggesting that individual expediters who are in a for-profit endeavor and big corporations may not be so different.

Such a world we live in. An expediter, whose mind is not consumed by profits, who would charge a shipper $3.00 a mile because he or she has the only truck available when the rate might otherwise be $1.50, is that person greedy or not?

There are accounts in the Open Forum, some by moderators, of times where they manipulated their arrivial to get detention time that they otherwise would not have gotten had they driven straight through as they were able. It was not considered cheating by the person who did it. But does that make it so?

As business people, are expediters any more or less ethical than Pilot Flying J?

Where the violation of an agreement is the issue and blatant cheating happened, it is easy to put another party in the wrong. But what about the high markup of prices of merchandise sold at truck stops? Is that immoral too? And if so, how is marking up our own prices any different?
 

zorry

Veteran Expediter
I generally don't criticize the pricing in a Truckstop.
I don't believe it's as much a captive market issue as it is a low volume/ high overhead market issue.
As you enter more of a retail / service industry your views on some matters may change.
 

xiggi

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
It is commendable to give money to charity, underprivileged children, etc.; and a car to an unwed mother. And you are correct. I did not know you did such things.

But the question I raised remains the same. Let me reword it into two questions for clarity. This is not about you, Zorry. It's about anyone.

1. At what point does it become appropriate and justified for one person to criticize another for being greedy?

2. If a person has more than he or she needs, and then works to earn more, and any part of it is kept for one's self, is that an act of greed?

1. It doesn't

2. No.
 

DollarSign

Fleet Owner
Owner/Operator
I was thinking about this and I wonder how many of us drivers will stop using PFJ and go somewhere else. Also wondering what will PFJ will do to make sure customers stay and keep coming back?
 
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