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Ragman

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Well, Romney is an exceptional businessman. It couldn't hurt to bring an understanding of capitalism back to the Oval Office. Given the awful national debt, austerity budgets will be coming. We may have no choice but to live with austerity budgets for decades. The sacred cows of Social Security, Medicare, food stamps, federally funded unemployment payments which run 99 weeks, federal pensions, bloated military spending... all these sacred cows must face the butcher's knife.

On a side note, Obama gets away with extra-constitutional behavior for reasons which cannot be covered in polite conversation.

I will say it again - Government is not a business. Good businessmen don't mean good presidents.

Not true, Mitt Romney: History shows business experience doesn't make a good president - Yahoo! News
 

davekc

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I think we should start a grass roots movement promoting davekc for president...wow does he ever understand!

I'll throw my hat into the ring. Don't think I could do much worse.;)
Xiggi is pretty darn close on those Bush tax cuts. The reality is they didn't cost jobs as some democrats try to say. Short of those ending months with Bush, unemployment was in the 5 percent range verses 8 plus percent we currently have. Another misconception. The "poor" by their sheer numbers in the population benefited the most from those tax cuts. Some forget to leave that out. The well off still gained, but not as much since there is a whole lot less of them.
The economy crashed not because of Bush tax cuts but rather a meltdown in the financial markets.
That is where all the TARP stuff came in to bail out banks.

Add in that goofy stimulus that spent billions on temp jobs and was suppose to drop unemployment to 5 percent and look what we got. All the jobs (very few)that it did create are long gone. Ran out of money and nothing to show for any of it. Would have been better just to cut everyone a check.:rolleyes: The Bush tax cuts at least gave the people the money.
 
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aristotle

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I will say it again - Government is not a business. Good businessmen don't mean good presidents.

Not true, Mitt Romney: History shows business experience doesn't make a good president - Yahoo! News
America was built on the capitalistic economic model. Having a president who understands business and finance can go a long way toward turning our nation's sorry state of affairs around. The farther we get away from sound business practices, even in government, the worse our plight becomes. Uncle Sam has got to stop being Uncle Sugar Daddy.

Our government has made too many promises we cannot afford. Has the reality sunk in that we as a nation are broke? Without borrowing money overseas, many U.S. government functions and programs would have ended. The federal government has positioned itself to be all things to all people. The money supply isn't infinite and our creditors will demand to be repaid. There is no avoiding the excruciating pain headed our way. Had we followed sound fiscal and budgetary practices, we wouldn't be in this mess.
 

Ragman

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America was built on the capitalistic economic model. Having a president who understands business and finance can go a long way toward turning our nation's sorry state of affairs around. The farther we get away from sound business practices, even in government, the worse our plight becomes. Uncle Sam has got to stop being Uncle Sugar Daddy.

Our government has made too many promises we cannot afford. Has the reality sunk in that we as a nation are broke? Without borrowing money overseas, many U.S. government functions and programs would have ended. The federal government has positioned itself to be all things to all people. The money supply isn't infinite and our creditors will demand to be repaid. There is no avoiding the excruciating pain headed our way. Had we followed sound fiscal and budgetary practices, we wouldn't be in this mess.

While I do understand what you are saying, I disagree with the blanket statement that we need a businessman in office.

What we need is a person that understands business.

Two different things IMO.
 

xiggi

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While I do understand what you are saying, I disagree with the blanket statement that we need a businessman in office.

What we need is a person that understands business.

Two different things IMO.

We have two choices what are you suggesting?

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Ragman

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We have two choices what are you suggesting?

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In reality, I am not a fan of Obama (I know, I know, most in EO land think I am), but being that I am from Michigan and we have a run the state like a business Governor, I am not really sure Romney is the answer.

I just don't know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

davekc

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I don't think just being a businessman is the ultimate qualifier. Certainly someone that understands our monetary system would help.

Then again, I'll lower my standards and just hope on some common sense.:cool:
 

Ragman

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I don't think just being a businessman is the ultimate qualifier. Certainly someone that understands our monetary system would help.

Then again, I'll lower my standards and just hope on some common sense.:cool:

Exactly what i've been saying all along.
 

muttly

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I will say it again - Government is not a business. Good businessmen don't mean good presidents.

Not true, Mitt Romney: History shows business experience doesn't make a good president - Yahoo! News

Business experience along with a correct philosphy or ideology on what grows an economy is most important. Funny how FDR was viewed as a good steward of the economy. His policies continued the depression for years and years. Something a current occupant seems to be copying. Both of them were politicians only. Reagan had the correct philosophy: Lowered taxes accross the board. It increased enormously revenues to the Federal government. Jimmy Carter was a peanut farmer businessman. His progressive,er,regressive policies regarding the economy were off the chart stupid. JFK,although he had liberal views socially was for cutting taxes to grow the economy. The first Bush was a businessman/ politician. His economy wasn't bad. He didn't necessarily buy into the lower taxes philosophy however, as he regarded it once as "voodoo economics." He agreed with the dems to raise taxes after promising not to and that sealed his fate. GW a businessman started his administration with a recession after the tech bubble burst. The terrorist attack didn't help the economy either. He had the right philosophy as far as growing an economy by lowering taxes. Increased revenues to the Federal governent and pretty much full employment for a good while in his presidency. Spending was an issue with him and he didn't push harder to fix Fannie and Freddie. Bill Clinton, the politician. His first two years was a fiasco. He took over after the brief recession was over. He wanted to implement hard left policies like national healthcare and was able to raise taxes. His philosophy about the economy was wrong. His popularity in 1993 was 37 percent. 1994 republican landslide was a referendum on him. He being a politician and wanting to get reelected and save his legacy, decided to implement parts of the republican agenda. The economy was able to grow with the reduction of the capital gains tax. A republican idea that he was against., but adopted to again save his legacy.
Sometimes politicians are somewhat successfull as a consequence of only wanting to save their own butt. :D
 

bobwg

Expert Expediter
So there is a carrier then that allows firearms in their contractor's truck? May I ask which one?
No I dont not carry firearms in the truck I only carry my bugout/72hour bag in the truck. My supplies and firearms are at home
 
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