No - I'm not kidding and I'm not recanting. Read the Grand Jury report, especially the part about victim 1. He continued to associate with Sandusky for 4-5 years, up into his freshman year in high school. Victim 1 admitted in his grand jury testimony to knowing what he was doing with Sandusky was wrong. Now, if he has some mental issues we're not aware of the picture changes entirely, and makes Sandusky even more of a ghoul (if that's possible). If victim 1 is gay, that might explain it somewhat but it doesn't make it right.
Possibly, but I'm not one of them. Of all the people involved in this, from the president to the campus police to the DA's office to the grad assistant, to Sandusky (y'all remember Sandusky don't you? - he's the one who molested those children) Paterno is far and away the least culpable of all, and the only one to do precisely what the law said he should have done. The mob mentality has reached a point where if Sandusky were to walk on a technicality, that's OK, because Paterno's head is on a pike, and that's the important thing here. <snort>
Every state has a 'duty to report' known or suspected child abuse to the police and/or child welfare officials [I knew most states did, but I didn't know they all do] so no, Paterno didn't do what he was required to do, either legally or morally.
I think everyone's more concerned with Joe P because Sandusky [the pedophile] was arrested - the law will take care of him. But when we learned that he could have been stopped years earlier, if Paterno had made the right choice, we found HIS behavior outrageous - we know a pervert will act like scum, but the coach isn't supposed to aid & abet him.
As for minimizing Greg, that's pretty easy to do when he (and Cheri, apparently) doesn't understand the difference between a kid's game and high level athletic competition, much less the psychological importance of spectator sports in general, the fact that (most) people in societies have an innate need to be part of something larger than themselves, where people of disparate socio-economic backgrounds who would otherwise never commiserate, are unified in a strong, cohesive group with a common goal and purpose. Sports are not at all unlike religion in that respect.
I understand the difference - but the fact remains, it's still a game. People can satisfy their innate need to be part of something larger than themselves in a multitude of ways, many of which actually benefit society, not just the 'athletes' and those who surround them. [OWS comes to mind]
There are mating ritual parallels, of course, where the strongest compete in mock battles while others watch, as is currently the case with many in the animal kingdom, and as once was the case with humans where athletic ability could mean the very survival of the group. It's certainly no secret that it’s the "jocks" that get the girls.
I'd remind you that Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Mark Zuckerberg all got girls, too.
Sports can offer us some sanity and order in an increasingly confused and insane world. In sports, you have a clear-cut winner, and a clear-cut loser. As a fan, we belong, we are part of something bigger than ourselves. We are able to vicariously experience a sense of wholeness, worth and autonomy often lost for the majority of us in a predictable and routine-based work existence.
I'll get my sense of autoonomy, wholeness and worth without contributing to the games, thank you.
Rooting for a sports team can even modify human physiology. In the classic "spectator study" (BERNHARDT, P. C., J. M. DABBS, JR., J. A. FIELDEN, AND C. D. LUTTER. PHYSIOL BEHAV 65(1) 59–62, 1998) several studies were done, with the three principal studies being that of soccer, basketball and football fans. "Basking in reflected glory, in which individuals increase their self-esteem by identifying with successful others, is usually regarded as a cognitive process that can affect behavior. It may also involve physiological processes, including changes in the production of endocrine hormones." The present research involved studies of changes in testosterone levels among male fans, and estrogen levels among female fans, watching their favorite sports teams win or lose.
In the first study, participants were eight male and 6 female fans attending a basketball game between traditional college rivals (ACC). In the second study, participants were 21 male and 23 female fans watching a televised World Cup soccer match between traditional international rivals. The third study participants were 14 male and 14 female fans watching a college football game between rivals (Big 10). Participants provided saliva samples for testosterone and estrogen assay before and after the contest. In both studies, mean testosterone and estrogen levels increased in the fans of winning teams and decreased in the fans of losing teams.
These findings suggest that watching one’s heroes win or lose has physiological consequences that extend beyond changes in mood and self-esteem. There are many studies and volumes of data on the subject of the psychology and physiology of participant and spectator sports. These are far more than just "kid's games played by adults". These "games" play a vital role in both the individual and in society at large.
], illegal gambling, and recruiting violations out the wazoo - so much for instilling integrity into our youth, eh?
Well, I read that thing in the other thread about having the media decide which Republican candidates are top tier and which ought to be debating ...... so I was kinda prepared ...... still .....
It's called being objective - so don't give me any chin music about not being sympathetic to the victims. We all know what happened to them was horrific and morally reprehensible, to say nothing of their being victimized by a psychotic criminal.Wow! I thought maybe, just maybe.....you were not articlulating something correctly in your post but I was obviously wrong. What a sick twisted way of looking at this. To be honest, I have no idea why you even thought of it or brought it up.
Well, OK, but after a 3-year investigation, the PA Attorney General disagrees with you.
Yes, people can and do satisfy their need to be part of something larger than themselves in many ways, from OWS to "We too are Load 1" to the VFW and the UAW. But to imply that rooting for sports teams doesn't benefit society is just ignorant. Anyone who lived in Cincinnati during the 1975 and 1976 baseball seasons will tell you that an entire community came together in a commonality, and the entire city was better for it. There are countless examples of that.
Most women are hard coded to look for a mate that provides security. DNA tells women that a physically strong man will provide that, since it was precisely that which was required for survival. But in today's world, while the hard coded instinctive urge for a strong, powerful mate still exists, the security which money can provide is often an overriding factor. It's part of the cliché where when women are looking to get laid, they'll go to a biker bar, but when they are looking to settle down, they'll go to a CPA's office.I'd remind you that Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Mark Zuckerberg all got girls, too.
Nothing wrong with that, until you start deriding those who do, especially since the vast majority of the population get theirs from sports. Prior to WWII spectator sports wasn't anything like it is now. And there's a reason for that. After the war, women as a whole became much more involved in the economic and educational sectors of our society during this time, triggering major domestic changes in marital and familial life that was (not coincidentally) paralleled by the huge growth spurt in the spectator sport industry.
No, I did, in a synopsis amalgamation from the actual study and a book on the subject.
So much for high-level athletics being nothing more than grown men playing a kid's game, eh? There's a reason why most people will not tolerate cheating in sports. They want their "heroes" to be actual heroes, to be of sound mind and body (goes to the mating thing), and they want to be able to honestly associate themselves with that, to have that "something larger than themselves" be both a projection and reflection of themselves. Home runs are great, but they're tainted and unwanted if they were produced with steroids. Granted, football is a little different, where both spectators and participants alike have their more basic animalistic needs and desires met, to win at all costs, where it's more of a battle than a competition. Football is like going to a gentleman's club with a fistful of dollar bills, whereas baseball is more like an intellectual afternoon at the museum.There are also DAILY reports of cheating, [even sanctioned cheating, as when a team member on the Cleveland Indians snuck into a mgrs office to retrieve the bat confiscated from Albert Belle during a game for suspicion of tampering], drugs [steriods, HGH, and recreational], excessive alcohol consumption & rowdy and/or malicious behavior by fans [must be the estrogen levels
Notice that the owner of the McDonald's, Judson Pickard, and Joe Paterno, the head coach of Penn State, both have the same initials. JP. Coincidence? The Pickard states the blatantly obvious, "I'm taking this matter very seriously and fully cooperating with authorities in their investigation." Seems like a classic overcompensation in an attempt to hide his complicit behavior in such activities that have been going on for who knows how long. Clearly, Pickard needs to be fired, along with the Playland Director, the restaurant manager, and the vice-president of Happy Meals. Maybe even Ronald himself needs to go.
Tell me again why fast food joints need playgrounds anyway. I guess we or our kids need constant activity while eating, like looking at tv and on our cellphones, yep adults are like their kids, gotta be playing during mealtime I guess
