Parade Season, again...

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
FireGears, your choice of E.O. to test the waters regarding your homosexual tendencies was a wise one. I feel that most of the E.O. members are intelligent and more open minded than you may find on a general trucking forum.

It is not uncommon to find males with latent homosexual tendencies, confusion about their sexuality or fear of women to seek employment in the military, police/fire/rescue and trucking. These are typically male dominated, fraternal type careers.

These careers offer the confused male a safe haven in which he can engage in male bonding without fear of being labeled gay. The very nature of these jobs would seem to shout straight male, manly kind of guys only.

Males that are struggling with their sexual identity, dealing with latent homosexual tendencies or choose the homophobic route usually have had some homosexual experience at a young age. Be it curiosity or forced abuse.

Guilt and confusion can be difficult to deal with alone. Please seek professional help for your confusion. With help I'm sure you will find peace.

I believe most E.O. members would not have a problem if you come out of the closet. Your sexual orientation really isn't an issue here.

Good luck!
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
It's true, Firegears: most of us couldn't care less who is sleeping with whom, providing those involved are consenting adults, and not a significant other of our own. We have more relevent concerns, you know?
I don't see any evidence of a "gay agenda", except in certain publications - what I see is a class of people who are fighting to be treated the same as every other human being. There is always a cetain group of people who require another class of people to label as inferior, thereby making themselves feel better about their own inferiorities, or station in life. Various groups, including blacks, women, Irish people, and now, Muslims, have been considered 'persona non grata' for various reasons, none of which amount to more than stereotypical excuses for bigotry.
That so many people use religion, and quote the Bible in support of the discrimination, is shameful, IMO.
That you are so very interested in the subject, is thought provoking as well.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
In light of Firegears' request to sit next to DaveKC at the EO breakfast, and his latest declaration of a desire to drive for DaveKC, (if he were to drive for snyone else), I believe Moot is onto something.
I'd like to reassure Firegears, though, that most of us don't really care what goes on in his private life, or his imagination, either.
We form our opinions of him, like everyone else, on his words.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Then with Cheri's added comments, I think the great philosopher Moot is following the theories of Festinger and cognitive dissonance which apparently apply to some of the posts.

Cognitive dissonance, to be put simpler is a conflicting tension within one's minds resulting from engaging in behavior that conflicts with one's beliefs at the same time.
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Greg, thanks for clearing that up. While I am familiar with Skinner and his behavioral theories I wasn't sure how they applied to my reply. I am not familiar with Lewin and Festinger but you have just given me something to do this weekend. It would seem that their ideas support what I was trying to convey in my reply. Thank you.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Dr. Moot,
I wish I had my collection of books at my finger tips so I can specifically reference the exact book he wrote but alas that collection is in storage.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Anyone who has either quit driving when the HOS demand it, in spite of feeling good to continue, or driven hours beyond the time they felt like stopping, in order to satisfy the HOS rules, can understand what cognitive dissonance is, lol.
Firegears, the media prints a lot of "news" about Paris Hilton, Brittany Spears, et al - does that make it important, or even relevant? I don't think so, but then I prefer to think for myself, instead of being told what to think.
There is a school of thought that believes homophobia is just repressed homosexuality, and I don't know if it's true, but I don't think most heterosexuals spend much time worrying about the issue.
Maybe you should broaden the scope of your reading material, and see what else you haven't heard about - after all, a well thought out principle, conviction, or even opinion, takes all evidence into consideration.
 

RichM

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Back to my earlier post I question what agenda is going on here. I have been involved with EO or over 8 years. During that time frame there has never been a bigoted post made about an individuals race,color,religion ,sexuality or other biased views from an authors
viewpoint of how they see the world.

Yes some members get into it with each other but these are disagreements based on an individuals perception of our industry. Every so often a thread becomes a flamefest and needs to be locked or removed. But never has flaming come on due to bigoted beliefs and simply put this is not the site that encourages that or wants such topics to divide and create animosity.

The soapbox forum is an excellent example about how members may disagree but leave personal views of individuals out of it. Gregg and TallCal have had many discussions with opposite views but there is no name calling,no bigoted points made and interestering points made by all.

So to end this once again I must ask Firegears what is your purpose to try and create threads that will generate animosity and bring EO down to the dirt level that other sites have.
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I often use humor, wit or lack there of, and satire to communicate my ideas and make a point. Sometimes it works, most times it doesn't. I guess the best way is the direct way. Say what you mean and mean what you say. Rich just proved that.

There is only one person that could possibly disagree with Rich's accurate and articulate reply.
 

FireGears

Expert Expediter
WOW... It seems that some folks failed to READ...

I stated...
"Some may think..
I'm just attacking one form of sinful behavior.
That's not true. "

and...

I stated...
"ALL humans have sinned..."

So... Let me reiterate...
1. I'm not attacking any single form of sinful behavior
2. I said ALL.. thus I didn't proclaim that ANYONE was being singled out.

I chose this article because sometimes Christians
and others will attack the persons committing this specific sin instead of following how GOD would have us act...

Hate the sin but do not hate the sinner.
To the sinner,
proclaim the Love, Mercy and Grace received through JESUS CHRIST.

I hope this clears up any confusion...

I've presented the article below for those
who might want to review it.. ;-)


God’s Plan for the Gay Agenda
by John MacArthur

If you’ve been watching the headlines over the past six months, you may have noticed the incredible surge of interest in affirming homosexuality. Whether it’s at the heart of a religious scandal, political corruption, radical legislation, or the redefinition of marriage, homosexual interests have come to characterize America. That’s an indication of the success of the gay agenda. But sadly, when people refuse to acknowledge the sinfulness of homosexuality—calling evil good and good evil (Isaiah 5:20)—they do so at the expense of many souls, perhaps even their own.

How should you respond to the success of the gay agenda? Should you accept the recent trend toward tolerance? Or should you side with those who exclude homosexuals and decry the sin? The Bible calls for a balance between what some people think are two opposing reactions—condemnation and compassion. Really, the two together are essential elements of biblical love, and that’s something the homosexual desperately needs.

Homosexual advocates have been remarkably effective in selling their warped interpretations of passages in Scripture that address homosexuality. When you ask a homosexual what the Bible says about homosexuality—and many of them know—they have digested an interpretation that is not only warped, but also completely irrational. Pro-homosexual arguments from the Bible are nothing but smokescreens—as you come close, you see right through them.

God’s condemnation of homosexuality is abundantly clear—He opposes it in every age.


In the patriarchs (Genesis 19:1-2

In the Law of Moses (Leviticus 18:22; 20:13)

In the Prophets (Ezekiel 16:46-50)

In the New Testament (Romans 1:18-27; 1 Corinthians 6-10; Jude 7-
Why does God condemn homosexuality? Because it overturns God’s fundamental design for human relationships—a design that pictures the complementary relationship between a man and a woman (Genesis 2:18-25; Matthew 19:4-6; Ephesians 5:22-33).

Why, then, have homosexual interpretations of Scripture been so successful at persuading so many? Simple: people want to be convinced. Since the Bible is so clear about the issue, sinners have had to defy reason and embrace error to quiet their accusing consciences (Romans 2:14-16). As Jesus said, “Men loved the darkness rather than the Light, their deeds were evil†(John 3:19-20).

As a Christian, you must not compromise what the Bible says about homosexuality—ever. No matter how much you desire to be compassionate to the homosexual, your first sympathies belong to the Lord and to the exaltation of His righteousness. Homosexuals stand in defiant rebellion against the will of their Creator who from the beginning “made them male and female†(Matthew 19:4).

Don’t allow yourself to be intimidated by homosexual advocates and their futile reasoning—their arguments are without substance. Homosexuals, and those who advocate that sin, are fundamentally committed to overturning the lordship of Christ in this world. But their rebellion is useless, for the Holy Spirit says, “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God†(1 Corinthians 6-10; cf. Galatians 5:19-21).

So, what is God’s response to the homosexual agenda? Certain and final judgment. To claim anything else is to compromise the truth of God and deceive those who are perishing.

As you interact with homosexuals and their sympathizers, you must affirm the Bible’s condemnation. You are not trying to bring damnation on the head of homosexuals, you are trying to bring conviction so that they can turn from that sin and embrace the only hope of salvation for all of us sinners—and that’s through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Homosexuals need salvation. They don’t need healing—homosexuality is not a disease. They don’t need therapy—homosexuality is not a psychological condition. Homosexuals need forgiveness, because homosexuality is a sin.

I don’t know how it happened, but a few decades ago someone branded homosexuals with the worst misnomer—“gay.†Gay used to mean happy, but I can assure you, homosexuals are not happy people. They habitually seek happiness by following after destructive pleasures. There is a reason Romans 1:26 calls homosexual desire a “degrading passion.†It is a lust that destroys the physical body, ruins relationships, and brings perpetual suffering to the soul—and its ultimate end is death (Romans 7:5). Homosexuals are experiencing the judgment of God (Romans 1:24, 26, 2, and thus they are very, very sad.

First Corinthians 6 is very clear about the eternal consequence for those who practice homosexuality—but there’s good news. No matter what the sin is, whether homosexuality or anything else, God has provided forgiveness, salvation, and the hope of eternal life to those who repent and embrace the gospel. Right after identifying homosexuals as those who “will not inherit the kingdom of God,†Paul said, “Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God†(1 Corinthians 6:11).

God’s plan for many homosexuals is salvation. There were former homosexuals in the Corinthian church back in Paul’s day, just as there are many former homosexuals today in my church and in faithful churches around the country. Do they still struggle with homosexual temptation? Sure they do. What Christian doesn’t struggle with the sins of their former life? Even the great apostle Paul acknowledges that fight (Romans 7:14-25). But former homosexuals sit in biblical churches throughout the country praising their Savior, along with former fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, thieves, coveters, drunkards, revilers, and swindlers. Remember, such were some of you too.

What should be your response to the homosexual agenda? Make it a biblical response—confront it with the truth of Scripture that condemns homosexuality and promises eternal damnation for all who practice it. What should be your response to the homosexual? Make it a gospel response—confront him with the truth of Scripture that condemns him as a sinner, and point him to the hope of salvation through repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. Stay faithful to the Lord as you respond to homosexuality by honoring His Word, and leave the results to Him.

© Copyright 2004 by Grace to You. All rights reserved
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davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
I would have to agree with Rich in that EO has never had this type of post. It is a rare occassion in itself that I would respond to a post of religion or politics. Every once in awhile on the latter.

The reality of this post is based on the writings of a John MacAurther. Since I know little of him, I took the short liberty to run a google search of him. He is a highly controversial author by his religious peers because of rewriting scriptures for his own personal agenda. Thats ok, afterall the bible is written by man with 1,000 interpretations.
Thats why you have many different religions and believes.
The reality of it is a profitable propaganda machine for the author. If he sounded the same as many other "religions", he would fail to sell books and other merchandise. He has pretty much taken a page out from Jim Baker or Jimmy Swaggart. Often referred to as the "Two sinning Jimmys".
With that said, your post is thought provoking only to the point of its orientation.
My hope is that you find EO a benefit for the expediting business, rather than a vehicle to promote unrelated propaganda.













Davekc
owner
23 years
PantherII
EO moderator
 

RichM

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
You still have not given an answer to mine,Terry's, and others as too why you feel it is necessary to bring this topic to this site. What is deviant to you is not necessarily deviant to others. What is normal to me is not necessarily normal to others. But SO WHAT. Why try to impose your views on others that are outside your narrow minded thinking. Remember the Bible was written 2,000 years ago by men and their interpation as too what God wants.
 

FireGears

Expert Expediter
DaveKC wrote...
My hope is that you find EO a benefit for the expediting business
********************

Hi Dave...

Nice to hear from you...

This is the SOAPBOX forum ... it does not have to be about "business"
according to what E/O says about the SOAPBOX...

"The Soapbox
Got some to say about politics, the state of the world, what's happening today, just need to express your opinion? This is the place to do it! Just keep it civil!"

What in my post doesn't fit this introduction...???

"Got some(thing.. sic) to say about..."

Well, I had something to say and I said it in a "civil" manner.

There are 4000+ members ... any number of them could find this thread informational.

If you, or anyone, does not like this thread and wants
to "talk business" then, IMHO, E/O offers plenty
of other opportunities where this can be accomplished.

STAY FROSTY ... :+ :+

plus ...
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
There are 4000+ members ... any number of them could find this thread informational
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Possibly true. Please feel free to post a event schedule for your parades.
Additionally, if you feel a need to promote a mission from this particular author, I think your efforts would be better served by communicating with the gay/lesbian community. It would appear that is the selected group that YOU and this author wants to "change"
If that is your targeted audience, I think that is the group you may want to address with your concerns.













Davekc
owner
23 years
PantherII
EO moderator
 

FireGears

Expert Expediter
Aaaaaaaahhhh Dave,

It's not about parades...

You might say it's about
Bad News... GOOD NEWS...


The LORD (the Triune GOD in Heaven)
tells us in HIS Word that the Truth is...
there is very bad news and Wonderfully Good News.

Very Bad News...
ALL humans have sinned and fallen from fellowship with HIM
which will last FOREVER (Eternity)

UNLESS... (now the Wonderfully Good News)

A human can choose HIS Plan of Redemption ...
Submitting their life to, becoming a follower of,
in a personal relationship that will last FOREVER,
the Creator/KING/Redeemer .. JESUS CHRIST

A Personal Relationship ... NOT A RELIGION
( a religion is "man-made"...
maybe based on the Word of GOD, maybe not..)

And that good new is Good News, indeed..!!!

Wise Men (and Women) Still Seek HIM... ;-)


STAY FROSTY .. :+ :+

plus ...
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
It is about rear doors and the pen. This poor man is struggling with his homosexual desires and the guilt brought about by his religious beliefs. It appears he is being torn apart. This could explain the multiple personalities. Hang in there F_G. Get some help.
 

terryandrene

Veteran Expediter
Safety & Compliance
US Coast Guard
Another religious opinion scoured from the pages of wikipedia.

The relationship between religion and homosexuality varies greatly across time and place, within and between different religions and sects, and regarding different forms of homosexuality and bisexuality. Currently, bodies and doctrines of the Abrahamic religions generally view homosexuality negatively, from quietly discouraging homosexual activity to explicitly forbidding same-sex sexual practices among adherents and actively opposing social acceptance of homosexuality. Some teach that homosexual orientation itself is sinful, while most assert that only homosexual behavior is a sin. Some have claimed that gay men and lesbians can change their sexual orientations through religious faith and practice. Exodus International is the largest ex-gay group. Groups not influenced by the Abrahamic religions have sometimes regarded homosexuality as sacred. In the wake of colonialism and imperialism undertaken by countries of the Abrahamic faiths some cultures have adopted new attitudes antagonistic towards homosexuality.

The overall trend of greater acceptance of gay men and women in the latter part of the 20th century was not limited to secular institutions; it was also seen in some religious institutions. Reform Judaism, the largest branch of Judaism outside Israel has begun to facilitate religious weddings for gay adherents in their synagogues. Jewish Theological Seminary, considered to be the flagship institution of Conservative Judaism, decided in March 2007 to begin accepting gay and lesbian applicants, after scholars who guide the movement lifted the ban on gay ordination.

In 2005, the United Church of Christ became the largest Christian denomination in the United States to formally endorse same-sex marriage
 
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