Parade Season, again...

FireGears

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Well, it's that time of year again...
The season of "gay pride parades") :eek:
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God’s Plan for the Gay Agenda
by John MacArthur

If you’ve been watching the headlines over the past six months, you may have noticed the incredible surge of interest in affirming homosexuality. Whether it’s at the heart of a religious scandal, political corruption, radical legislation, or the redefinition of marriage, homosexual interests have come to characterize America. That’s an indication of the success of the gay agenda. But sadly, when people refuse to acknowledge the sinfulness of homosexuality—calling evil good and good evil (Isaiah 5:20)—they do so at the expense of many souls, perhaps even their own.

How should you respond to the success of the gay agenda? Should you accept the recent trend toward tolerance? Or should you side with those who exclude homosexuals and decry the sin? The Bible calls for a balance between what some people think are two opposing reactions—condemnation and compassion. Really, the two together are essential elements of biblical love, and that’s something the homosexual desperately needs.

Homosexual advocates have been remarkably effective in selling their warped interpretations of passages in Scripture that address homosexuality. When you ask a homosexual what the Bible says about homosexuality—and many of them know—they have digested an interpretation that is not only warped, but also completely irrational. Pro-homosexual arguments from the Bible are nothing but smokescreens—as you come close, you see right through them.

God’s condemnation of homosexuality is abundantly clear—He opposes it in every age.


In the patriarchs (Genesis 19:1-2

In the Law of Moses (Leviticus 18:22; 20:13)

In the Prophets (Ezekiel 16:46-50)

In the New Testament (Romans 1:18-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Jude 7-
Why does God condemn homosexuality? Because it overturns God’s fundamental design for human relationships—a design that pictures the complementary relationship between a man and a woman (Genesis 2:18-25; Matthew 19:4-6; Ephesians 5:22-33).

Why, then, have homosexual interpretations of Scripture been so successful at persuading so many? Simple: people want to be convinced. Since the Bible is so clear about the issue, sinners have had to defy reason and embrace error to quiet their accusing consciences (Romans 2:14-16). As Jesus said, “Men loved the darkness rather than the Light, [because] their deeds were evil†(John 3:19-20).

As a Christian, you must not compromise what the Bible says about homosexuality—ever. No matter how much you desire to be compassionate to the homosexual, your first sympathies belong to the Lord and to the exaltation of His righteousness. Homosexuals stand in defiant rebellion against the will of their Creator who from the beginning “made them male and female†(Matthew 19:4).

Don’t allow yourself to be intimidated by homosexual advocates and their futile reasoning—their arguments are without substance. Homosexuals, and those who advocate that sin, are fundamentally committed to overturning the lordship of Christ in this world. But their rebellion is useless, for the Holy Spirit says, “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God†(1 Corinthians 6:9-10; cf. Galatians 5:19-21).

So, what is God’s response to the homosexual agenda? Certain and final judgment. To claim anything else is to compromise the truth of God and deceive those who are perishing.

As you interact with homosexuals and their sympathizers, you must affirm the Bible’s condemnation. You are not trying to bring damnation on the head of homosexuals, you are trying to bring conviction so that they can turn from that sin and embrace the only hope of salvation for all of us sinners—and that’s through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Homosexuals need salvation. They don’t need healing—homosexuality is not a disease. They don’t need therapy—homosexuality is not a psychological condition. Homosexuals need forgiveness, because homosexuality is a sin.

I don’t know how it happened, but a few decades ago someone branded homosexuals with the worst misnomer—“gay.†Gay used to mean happy, but I can assure you, homosexuals are not happy people. They habitually seek happiness by following after destructive pleasures. There is a reason Romans 1:26 calls homosexual desire a “degrading passion.†It is a lust that destroys the physical body, ruins relationships, and brings perpetual suffering to the soul—and its ultimate end is death (Romans 7:5). Homosexuals are experiencing the judgment of God (Romans 1:24, 26, 2, and thus they are very, very sad.

First Corinthians 6 is very clear about the eternal consequence for those who practice homosexuality—but there’s good news. No matter what the sin is, whether homosexuality or anything else, God has provided forgiveness, salvation, and the hope of eternal life to those who repent and embrace the gospel. Right after identifying homosexuals as those who “will not inherit the kingdom of God,†Paul said, “Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God†(1 Corinthians 6:11).

God’s plan for many homosexuals is salvation. There were former homosexuals in the Corinthian church back in Paul’s day, just as there are many former homosexuals today in my church and in faithful churches around the country. Do they still struggle with homosexual temptation? Sure they do. What Christian doesn’t struggle with the sins of their former life? Even the great apostle Paul acknowledges that fight (Romans 7:14-25). But former homosexuals sit in biblical churches throughout the country praising their Savior, along with former fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, thieves, coveters, drunkards, revilers, and swindlers. Remember, such were some of you too.

What should be your response to the homosexual agenda? Make it a biblical response—confront it with the truth of Scripture that condemns homosexuality and promises eternal damnation for all who practice it. What should be your response to the homosexual? Make it a gospel response—confront him with the truth of Scripture that condemns him as a sinner, and point him to the hope of salvation through repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. Stay faithful to the Lord as you respond to homosexuality by honoring His Word, and leave the results to Him.

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RichM

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Is there some type of motive behind this post which is bound to create dissension? Hasn't there been enough over the past weekend. Personal views of this nature should remain personal.
 

FireGears

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Hello RichM,

I must tell you that I'm confused about your post.

Is this not the "SOAPBOX"..???

By E/O's own statement... (copied in total)

"The Soapbox
Got some to say about politics, the state of the world, what's happening today, just need to express your opinion? This is the place to do it! Just keep it civil!"

I made a "civil" post within the written
E/O guideline about this forum...

Can others not respond in a "civil" way...
thus, there will be an adult discussion..???

I have expressed "my opinion" about
a "current event" on the SOAPBOX.

I'm not "trolling" nor attempting to begin trouble.

If "non-civil trouble" were to start, the ModSquad
can deal with THOSE who can not post appropriately.

KEEP SMILING ... :+ :+

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RichM

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Yes but is it legal to reprint a copyrighted article without the Author's permission.
 

greg334

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>Yes but is it legal to reprint a copyrighted article without
>the Author's permission.

Yes and No Rich, most of these articles are freely copied with the author's permission (meaning open to copy and quote but not to plagiarize) because of it's religion content.
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
Are you planning on being an evangelist, Firegears? Seems that way since you're throwing scriptures out which have nothing to do with your preaching. Leviticus is the only one you cited which condemns homosexuality. Genesis has to do with Sodom, Romans with sex out of wedlock.

A bit of advice... if you're going to preach about being godly, you should try being godly yourself. Otherwise, you look like a fool. Ask Jim Baker.

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The reverand Ted Haggard preached the same thing before he fell from the pulpit.
Is there something you need to share or confess?









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Tennesseahawk

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They say homophobes secretly have feelings these kinds of feelings themselves... I don't know. What do you think? :eek:

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FireGears

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T/Hawk wrote...
"Seems that way since you're throwing scriptures out which have nothing to do with your preaching."
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Sir,

Thanks for your concern. :7

If you feel there is a problem I suggest that
you consult with the author
who used the Scriptures in his presentation.

I made a quote of that presentation
as a discussion point which, I hope,
will go beyond his Scripture applications.


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terryandrene

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FG:

I must say that I'm confused about your post.

You posted a discussion titled "God’s Plan for the Gay Agenda" It was appropriately posted in our Soapbox Forum. As you indicated, If you have something to say about an issue, use the Soapbox. Well we now know what John MacArthur has to say about the bible and homosexuality. Thank you for the thought provoking post.

I am guessing that you would like to generate a discussion on the subject or you would not have posted here. So, for the sake of discussion, do you agree or disagree with Mr. MacArthur's article? Has homosexuality negatively affected the lives of you, your family or those you care deeply about? In what direction would you like this discussion to lead and what effect would you expect it to have?

You mentioned the season of Gay Pride Parades is here but my google search on the subject failed to provide a definative schedule of such parades nor the mention of a parade season; sorry we can't contribute anything about that.
 

Tennesseahawk

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That's cause he's using someone else's article to stir the pot. He's nothing but a pot-stirrer-er ;)

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RichM

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I believe what 2 consenting adults want to do in the privacy of their bedroom is their business and no concern of mine.

I am not up on the Bible very much but I believe somewhere in it there is a verse "Judge not less ye be Judged" These extremists should think that one through before they push their narrow minded views on the world.
 

FireGears

Expert Expediter
There is constant exposure in the media
concerning the gay agenda..
(pun intended..)

The timeless message of this article
is presented to give sinners HOPE and
encourage Biblical behavior by those who follow CHRIST.

"Hate the sin... present GOD's Love in word and deed"

Wise Men (and Women) Still Seek HIM ... ;)
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Several have written comments such as...
" ...most homophobes are latent homosexuals themselves."

Thanks for this... I guess... I'd never heard this..
I guess there are some folks who know
more about this than I do ... :eek:

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LDB

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"Judge not lest ye be not judged" doesn't mean one can't recognize right from wrong or have an opinion about it. It means one isn't supposed to condemn another to eternal damnation since that is reserved for the one who will judge all others.

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Several have written comments such as...
" ...most homophobes are latent homosexuals themselves."
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Current and past events in the media depict that information is more common than not. The reverand Ted Haggard, the former NJ governor ( James McGreevey) just to name a few.

Since you posted the article, it begs the question as to whether you are seeking some type of guidance on this subject?











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FireGears

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greg334 Wrote...
"I am hesitating posting anything on this thread not because of the subject but the reaction."
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:eek:

Not too long ago, a thread was made concerning what % of the 4000+
members of E/O actually posted. It was discussed that probably fewer
than 3% were active "posters."

I respectfully and civilly suggest that a long time member has
given us some insight... (paraphrase follows...)
"I'd post but I'm concerned about the reaction."

This should be food for thought and possible comment(s).

In addition to the topic of this tread...


PLEASE STAY FROSTY ... :+ :+

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greg334

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FG,
The hesitation is not because I fear reaction, I don't care about that for my posts (obviously) but the reaction to your first post. If I have to further explain, then ... never mind
 

copdsux

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I'm on vacation this week, but I do want to take the time to ask Firegears a question: How old were you when you CHOSE to be hetero-
sexual? Of course I am making the assumption that you feel that
homosexuals choose to be that way.
 

FireGears

Expert Expediter
Greg Wrote...
The hesitation is not because I fear reaction, I don't care about that for my posts (obviously) but the reaction to your first post.
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Hi Greg,

Understood you perfectly ... thus my comment.... Thanks :7
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Hi F/C,

1. "programmed" that way by the "MANUFACTURER"

2. your assumption is correct...
to continue in ANY sinful behavior is a choice.
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Some may think..
I'm just attacking one form of sinful behavior.
That's not true.
The LORD (the Triune GOD in Heaven)
tells us in HIS Word that the Truth is...
there is very bad news and Wonderfully Good News.

Very Bad News...
ALL humans have sinned and fallen from fellowship with HIM
which will last FOREVER (Eternity)

UNLESS... (now the Wonderfully Good News)

A human can choose HIS Plan of Redemption ...
Submitting their life to, becoming a follower of,
in a personal relationship that will last FOREVER,
the Creator/KING/Redeemer .. JESUS CHRIST

A Personal Relationship ... NOT A RELIGION
( a religion is "man-made"...
maybe based on the Word of GOD, maybe not..)

And that good new is Good News, indeed..!!!

Wise Men (and Women) Still Seek HIM...


STAY FROSTY .. :+ :+

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