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cheri1122

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Your piece is from David Gordon who is a total liberal. Of course he is going to offer that kind of opinion.

In the piece offered, David Gordon backs the opinions with facts, which have no ideology or political affiliation. To dismiss the message because one dislikes the messenger is to choose to be uninformed.

Might have to do better than that. Maybe from someone with some objectivity.:rolleyes:

True objectivity is nearly impossible to achieve, but being aware of a bias allows the reader to be on guard for distortions which may [or may not] exist. It doesn't mean one can simply dismiss the content entirely, does it?



About the Mises Institute
 

RLENT

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Your piece is from David Gordon who is a total liberal. Of course he is going to offer that kind of opinion.
Might have to do better than that. Maybe from someone with some objectivity.
Dave,

I'll be kind here - and not totally rub your nose in it - or attempt to publicly humiliate you by saying something about a total lack of ability to observe the obvious - but just simply say: you are incorrect.

This David Gordon (who was an economist and quite "liberal, in the leftist sense of the word) - but who happens to be very dead, now for some 15+ years - is not the same person as this David_Gordon - who is also an economist ... and happens to be very much alive.

The latter is also not a liberal ... at least not according to the definition that you are likely using ...

BTW, there are pictures of the specific individuals in question, at the respective links above ... if that helps you to sort this all out ...
 
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davekc

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He clearly states he is liberal. So his point of view will come from there. That doesn't mean he is any more wrong or right than the other guy.
You are right. Objectivity is hard to find which is my point.
 

RLENT

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In the piece offered, David Gordon backs the opinions with facts, which have no ideology or political affiliation. To dismiss the message because one dislikes the messenger is to choose to be uninformed.

Trust me ... in this instance it goes waaay beyond simply "uninformed" ...

True objectivity is nearly impossible to achieve, but being aware of a bias allows the reader to be on guard for distortions which may [or may not] exist. It doesn't mean one can simply dismiss the content entirely, does it?

It really shouldn't ... but unfortunately, for some, that's the very best they are capable of ...
 
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RLENT

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You will find it. You need something to occupy your time.
Heheheh ... you got it wrong ... and can't even man up enough to own it ...

Either that, or you simply have no real understanding as to what "classical liberalism" actually is ...
 
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davekc

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[/SIZE][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR]Trust me ... in this instance it goes waaay beyond simply "uninformed" ...


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It really should shouldn't ... but unfortunately, for some, that's the very best they are capable of ...

"It really should shouldn't". Maybe better work on that first before you worry about anyones "capabilities".
 

RLENT

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"It really should shouldn't". Maybe better work on that first before you worry about anyones "capabilities".
Mind works faster than the fingers can keep up with ... there - fixed it for ya ...

Is that really the best ya got ?

Maybe you'll show us a written work of David Gordon's (the correct David Gordon that is) that shows his "liberal tendencies" ...

Anyone who wants to understand how "liberal" (in the current accepted perversion of the word) this particular individual is(n't) you'll find all manner of evidence at the archive of his writings at the following link:

David Gordon: Archives
 

RLENT

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Progress can be a wonderful thing. ;)
Indeed ... at what point - if any - do you plan on "progressing" to actually telling the truth with respect to your error on the David Gordon I referred to originally ?

Or are you just going to continue to misrepresent (lie essentially) who/what that particular David Gordon is ?

Mebbe just ignore it ... and pretend it didn't happen and will go away ?
 
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davekc

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I'll jump right on it. Probably about the time you put your disclaimers on the posts where you say something but really mean something else. :cool:
 

cheri1122

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You will find it. You need something to occupy your time.

Gems like that are what keep me riveted to this site - I swear I laughed out loud, reading that.
"If you don't have a sense of humor, you don't have any sense at all."

Um.....that was tongue in cheek, yes?
 

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Gems like that are what keep me riveted to this site - I swear I laughed out loud, reading that.
"If you don't have a sense of humor, you don't have any sense at all."

Um.....that was tongue in cheek, yes?

Absolutely! Can't take any of this too seriously.
 

LDB

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I'll be kind here - and not totally rub your nose in it - or attempt to publicly humiliate you by saying something about a total lack of ability to observe the obvious - but just simply say: you are incorrect.

Yeah, like that will ever truly happen.
 

aristotle

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Do a google search on the scope and mission of The Nation magazine. The Nation magazine bills itself as "the flagship of the Left." Take a look at the magazine's editor, leading contributors and especially the causes they champion. Many observers view The Nation as anti-Semitic. The Nation magazine is as radically Left as one can be without getting incarcerated.
 

RLENT

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Do a google search on the scope and mission of The Nation magazine. The Nation magazine bills itself as "the flagship of the Left." Take a look at the magazine's editor, leading contributors and especially the causes they champion. Many observers view The Nation as anti-Semitic. The Nation magazine is as radically Left as one can be without getting incarcerated.
Simple fact of the matter is Greg Palast is the author of the original article - he got The Nation to publish it ... Focks Nooz or National Review certainly wasn't likely to do it ... ;)

Nothing wrong with noting The Nation's politics and factoring that into one's evaluation of the article ... but solely focusing on The Nation itself seems like a bit of an attempt at obuscation and misdirection ...

Regardless, facts is what they are ... regardless of who speaks them (including Focks Nooz)

As to anti-semitic charge, as I alluded to elsewhere - that is a canard that Bible-thumping Israel-Firsters frequently employ in an attempt to silence or impugn the character anyone who criticizes the Zionism or the modern state of Israel ...

Apparently now however it is just being employed by some to tar those whose politics they disagree with. No real big surprise there ... a workman will have his favorite and preferred hammer ...
 
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cheri1122

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The simple fact that a person or organization is left or right doesn't mean they are invariably wrong, and those who believe otherwise are consequently misinformed. Likewise, expressing reservations on Israel's behavior is not anti-Semitic, even though it gets called that by those who believe Israel is above reproach.
It's like accusing everyone who disagrees with Obama as racist - some are, but the one does not follow the other.
 

muttly

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The simple fact that a person or organization is left or right doesn't mean they are invariably wrong, and those who believe otherwise are consequently misinformed. Likewise, expressing reservations on Israel's behavior is not anti-Semitic, even though it gets called that by those who believe Israel is above reproach.
It's like accusing everyone who disagrees with Obama as racist - some are, but the one does not follow the other.

Ok , I'm glad you are at least admitting that something like Fox News and the National Review can be right about things. Because anytime someone posts something from them on here, some people in here have a cow. Regarding the Delphi workers, since you didn't respond to my article I posted, Do you think it is right for the Obama administration to guarentee the pensions of the union workers ,but not the non union workers?
 
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