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davekc

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This got forwarded to me and it had some interesting observations.

The leftwing media went wild after the election, when analysis showed that many poorer Americans supported President Obama and entitlements could have been a major reason why. Liberals always like to think of themselves as noble, and the thought that some vote buying could have occurred is deeply offensive to them. Nevertheless, the facts speak for themselves.

Americans earning less than $30,000 a year gave the President about seven million more votes than Governor Romney. All told, Obama defeated Romney by three and a half million votes. The math is clear.

But what about motivation? How can you assign entitlements as a voting factor? Well, what else is there?

Were lower-income Americans voting to support the $16 trillion dollar debt? The eight percent unemployment rate? The nearly five thousand dollar a year decline in wages for working people?

No, many lower income voters were supporting the expansion of means-tested entitlements like food stamps, Medicaid, and welfare payments along with Obamacare where about 30 million Americans will have their health insurance paid for by other Americans. When you have individuals in more than 100 million American households receiving some kind of federal subsidy outside of Medicare and Social Security, that will mean something at the ballot box.

Especially because Mitt Romney proposed to change all that.

But, why is doling out so-called "means-tested entitlements" a bad thing? Isn't it a sign of a humane society?

Financial safety nets are surely worthy. We can't let the elderly and children suffer because they don't have resources. But what's happening in America is far more than simply expanding a needed safety net.

Twenty years ago, the feds spent 9% of the total budget on entitlements other than Medicare and Social Security. Now the number is 16%. Liberals scream that's because of the bad economy! Not true.

Twenty years ago, unemployment among African-Americans was 14.3%. This year it is 14.3%. In the Hispanic-American precincts, unemployment in 1992 was 11% - today it's 10%.

It is the liberal culture that is driving the entitlement mentality, and that is destructive to the country. The truth is that folks who get stuff are not likely to be as motivated as people who work for things. Freebies sap initiative.

We are living in a "where's mine" age. "If at first you don't succeed, then ask for things to be given to you." A record amount of Americans are receiving food stamps, and more workers are on federal disability than ever before. The Democrat Party actively supports the entitlement expansion and that absolutely helped Barack Obama get reelected earlier this month.

However, if we continue down this road, say hello to Emperor Nero. Same thing happened in Ancient Rome. Look it up. The population became weak and unmotivated and Roman power collapsed as individual ambition was crushed by selfishness and dependence on the state.

The question used to be: "Who's your daddy?" Now, "it's who's your nanny?"

And we all know the answer.
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RLENT

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The only questions I have are:

1. Are you a Bill O'Really.com "Premium Member" ?

2. Do you also get the "Greta Wire" ?

:rolleyes:
 

Monty

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Why would it matter Relent? Is the article accurate and factual?

Personally I thought this line pretty well said it all. (If it is indeed factual)

Twenty years ago, the feds spent 9% of the total budget on entitlements other than Medicare and Social Security. Now the number is 16%. Liberals scream that's because of the bad economy! Not true.

Twenty years ago, unemployment among African-Americans was 14.3%. This year it is 14.3%. In the Hispanic-American precincts, unemployment in 1992 was 11% - today it's 10%.
 
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muttly

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Why would it matter Relent? Is the article accurate and factual?

Personally I thought this line pretty well said it all. (If it is indeed factual)

As the article says:The facts speak for themselves. I'm not a great fan of O'Reilly because he sometimes doesn't look deep enough at the ideologies to see the truth in it, but this time he pretty much nails it. Regarding the article, I don't know how many fall into which of the two following categories,but Obama's agenda and policies has caused an increase in the "entitled" group, and also in the "need" group. Both which aren't good.
 

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Why would it matter Relent? Is the article accurate and factual?

Personally I thought this line pretty well said it all. (If it is indeed factual)

That is one of the parts I found interesting. So far I haven't seen anything that indicates it isn't factual. Some of these numbers were reported by others through the election.
As to whether I am a "premuim member" of O'Rielly or Greta has little to do with the article.
I agree that asking that question makes little sense. But for inquiry minds, no memberships here.
 

muttly

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There appeares to be "incentives" for our current government and certain businesses to increase food stamp usage.
From article:
record number of Americans on food stamps is reflective not only of a slumping economy but also of a permanent political class, mostly compose of Democrats, that want to keep lower-income Americans dependent on food stamps to have a constituency dependent on government services.

In addition, corporations in the financial sector with embedded interests and lobbyists in Washington, D.C. also benefit from increased food stamp usage by raking in fees associated with EBT cards.


Americans On Food Stamps This Thanksgiving At All-Time High
 

cheri1122

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Why would it matter Relent? Is the article accurate and factual?

No and no. Inaccurate, as it presents a correlation between cause & effect that is purely conjectural, and not factual as it presents only those facts that can be interpreted in a way to support a conclusion: people voted for Obama to get/keep their 'gifts'. I totally disagree with that conclusion.

Personally I thought this line pretty well said it all. (If it is indeed factual)

So the blacks and Hispanics have not suffered from increased unemployment, as they have generally been underemployed anyhow - it's the white people who have become the almost perennially unemployed, correct?
And people actually believe that those collecting unemployment [who were accustomed to earning their living] are fine with the stress of trying to make do on half the income
, and the scorn of those who believe [as they may have believed themselves, when it was someone else being judged] that unemployed = lazy & undeserving. Further, that they're becoming dependent on such a blessing? And people buy it. [shakes head.]
I do not believe that many people have decided that not working is preferable to working, and of those who have, I'd like to hear their side of the story.
BTW: people didn't vote for Obama to get gifts - they [we] voted against Romney.
I can understand that Romney's ego rejects that, but how can so many others not see it? Romney is not presidential [or leadership] material. Nor is he trustworthy, or committed to representing all the people - he proved that over and over. He offended and insulted people from his wife [asked in London how her horse was doing competing, he said he didn't know, that's 'her thing' - like he couldn't be bothered to even pretend an interest] to foreign heads of state, to half the people he was asking to vote for him, fer cryin out loud. He offered nothing but generalities, refused to provide specifics, insisted his tax cut plan would work [no one else could make the numbers work], and generally thought he should be POTUS because 1: he wants to [more accurately, his wife wanted it] and he always got what he wanted, and 2: he's not Obama - and for everyone he knows, that's good enough.

He was wrong.




 

EASYTRADER

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Reading that non sense from cheri, makes me weep for my country.

He didn't know how his wifes horse was doing at the olympics, really that's how you determined your vote.

Rolls Eyes. . . Only god can save us from voters like that.

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Reading that non sense from cheri, makes me weep for my country.

Go ahead & cry - those of us with our eyes open will try to protect our country from politicians like Romney: born on 3rd base & thinks he hit a triple.

He didn't know how his wifes horse was doing at the olympics, really that's how you determined your vote.

If that's what you got from my post [and several others detailing Romney's deficiencies] you have reason to weep: lack of perception is incurable.

Rolls Eyes. . . Only god can save us from voters like that.

You [among millions] undoubtedly asked God to save you from Obama - how'd that work out?
:rolleyes:

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muttly

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Reading that non sense from cheri, makes me weep for my country.

Go ahead & cry - those of us with our eyes open will try to protect our country from politicians like Romney: born on 3rd base & thinks he hit a triple.

He didn't know how his wifes horse was doing at the olympics, really that's how you determined your vote.

If that's what you got from my post [and several others detailing Romney's deficiencies] you have reason to weep: lack of perception is incurable.

Rolls Eyes. . . Only god can save us from voters like that.

You [among millions] undoubtedly asked God to save you from Obama - how'd that work out?
:rolleyes:

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I mean, Cheri you DID bring up the horse deal in your ill-fated and misinformed rant.
 
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davekc

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So the blacks and Hispanics have not suffered from increased unemployment, as they have generally been underemployed anyhow - it's the white people who have become the almost perennially unemployed, correct?
And people actually believe that those collecting unemployment [who were accustomed to earning their living] are fine with the stress of trying to make do on half the income
, and the scorn of those who believe [as they may have believed themselves, when it was someone else being judged] that unemployed = lazy & undeserving. Further, that they're becoming dependent on such a blessing? And people buy it. [shakes head.]


That determination should be based on the length of time they are recieving welfare. I'm ok with a safety net for folks because bad things do happen to good people. There has to be time limits on it for the ones that can work.

I do not believe that many people have decided that not working is preferable to working, and of those who have, I'd like to hear their side of the story.

The growing numbers wouldn't support that conclusion.

BTW: people didn't vote for Obama to get gifts - they [we] voted against Romney.
[/COLOR]I can understand that Romney's ego rejects that, but how can so many others not see it? Romney is not presidential [or leadership] material. Nor is he trustworthy, or committed to representing all the people - he proved that over and over. He offended and insulted people from his wife [asked in London how her horse was doing competing, he said he didn't know, that's 'her thing' - like he couldn't be bothered to even pretend an interest] to foreign heads of state, to half the people he was asking to vote for him, fer cryin out loud. He offered nothing but generalities, refused to provide specifics, insisted his tax cut plan would work [no one else could make the numbers work], and generally thought he should be POTUS because 1: he wants to [more accurately, his wife wanted it] and he always got what he wanted, and 2: he's not Obama - and for everyone he knows, that's good enough.


I think some seen Romney as a huge threat to thier "gifts" with budget cuts and the rest of it. Based on numbers, the under 30k crowd put him back in the white house. But....I do think it was "gifts"
Lets see, since Obama has been in, we have Obamacare, expanded unemployment, cash for clunkers, expanded welfare and a lift on work requirement, new subsidized housing, subsidized utilities, free internet with vouchers for a free computer, free cell phones, amnesty for some illegals with free or heavily discounted college programs, free womens contraception, and I could still go on.
No, I am thinking the "gifts" were pretty significant in this election. But I do agree, they were other factors as well. The sad part is the reason to vote for Obama was just to vote against Romney. What I don't hear is a reason that any voted for Obama other than entitlements.
Still like your posts though. I like hearing the other side whether I agree with it or not.
 
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aristotle

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Tens of millions of Americans have opted out of working for a living. Welfare is a career choice available to just about everyone. Many have concluded welfare is preferable to working. It is the path of least resistance. A shrewd welfare recipient will manage to snag free income, free food, free housing, free medical care. Depending on which state a recipient calls home, he or she might also get free phone and internet service as well as free or subsidized utilities.

Liberals seek to expand welfare whereas conservatives would shrink the giveaways to a bare minimum. Our outlandish welfare state isn't economically sustainable. Practically nothing our government is underwriting is sustainable. The federal government borrows 40% of every dollar it spends. One-third of the federal budget goes to pay interest on the national debt. If the US government could not print more money, this scheme would have collapsed decades ago. The federal government is broke and foolish giveaways to an ever-increasing welfare state are partly at fault.

One might conclude welfare expenditures are hush money to mollify a seething underclass who have no greater interest than getting something for nothing at the expense of those who toil.
 
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davekc

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During Obama's first term, people have gone on social security disability at an alarming rate as well.

From article:
Republicans on the budget committee noted that disability claims have increased more quickly than job creation in the last three months.

CBO: Social Security Disability Insurance spending to jump 71 percent in ten years | WashingtonExaminer.com

What is also interesting is I seen a report a year or so ago that was showing people moving to disabilty when their extended unemployment checks were about to run out. Basically a replacement for that check.
 

muttly

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What is also interesting is I seen a report a year or so ago that was showing people moving to disabilty when their extended unemployment checks were about to run out. Basically a replacement for that check.

Yep, and it is Obama's agenda,economic policies, and an assault on the private sector that have perpetuating it with no end in sight.
 

Brisco

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What I don't hear is a reason that any voted for Obama other than entitlements.

Still like your posts though. I like hearing the other side whether I agree with it or not.

Same here.....and not only with Cheri's and others like her postings here and other discussion boards around..........

The ignorance brought forth brings some great comedic relief to this sad situation this country is currently in. Although.......the worse it is getting.......that comedic outlook WILL turn into Horrendous FEAR all across this country well before this idiots next 4 years is up..........and.......we will have this comedic Ignorance shown in this thread to look back upon to say......"You Freeeekin Fool...Regret the CHOICE you made NOW???"
 

LDB

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Multi-generational welfare families are not unheard of and are an indication that for some welfare is their career of choice. Some of my father's patients were on that familial career path so I've seen it first hand while working at his office. There needs to be a safety net but people shouldn't live their entire life inside a net.
 

Humble2drive

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..."You Freeeekin Fool...Regret the CHOICE you made NOW???"


When someone has no intelligent productive thoughts to add to the conversation they may remain silent and the audience will be none the wiser.
When they chose instead to engage simply by calling others a fool the audience becomes aware of their lack of real knowledge.

“Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish.”
Euripides
 
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Brisco

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When someone has no intelligent productive thoughts to add to conversation they may remain silent and the audience will be none the wiser.*
When they chose instead to engage simply by calling others a fool the audience becomes aware of their lack of real knowledge.

“Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish.”
Euripides

To what extent should we shield ourselves from painful truths? To what extent is it justified to shield other people from knowledge we think they might experience as painful? Is ignorance always bliss or is knowledge always to be preferred, even though that knowledge is totally opposite as to what the truth actually is?


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Which Liberal Loving member will be next to pop off something else Ignorant?
 
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