ORD Expedite & Logistics

[Murraycroexp]

Look Piper1, no offense, you're entitled to your defense of Rollincoal and your perception of what he meant. I'm entitled to my thought and my perception.

This is getting out of control of a statement made by a respondant. And all I sought was some clarification. Not to get into some discertation about what he meant to say!

We've read past posts about T&K Trucking. Most were not in a positive light. I know Peter Haljean, because I worked for him on a "1099" basis driving one of his vans. While he did nothing wrong to me, I just felt working for him was not a good fit for me.

Rumor had it from a very popular and well respected "poster" on here that he (Peter H.) was working for another Chicago (actually suburban) based carrier. Now in a recent conversation with the owner of that carrier, it was confirmed he did work for him, but their business philosophies were vastly different and Peter H. left the carrier.

It appears he's trying to get back into the expedite business under a new guise.

Even Lawrence (LDB) appeared perplexed by the statement made by Rollincoal.

All I asked was what "his" perception of his statement meant!!!!!

And actually I'm spending more time on this discussion than its worth. I myself have a Chicago based business to operate.

Safe travels to everyone out on the road and keep making money, moving the freight.

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Peter never left the industry. After T&K closed, he obviously had to work. He worked with a few companies in expediting. MP, EF & PC, that I know of.
There's no shortage of rumors out there over the details, whats and whys.
And I don't know any details. And I don't care to.

I'm just one of the people that have only had positive experiences with Pete Haljean.


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[xmudman]

I know him from Express Family. No complaints here. He's a salesman, to be sure, but he has never done me wrong.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

a deeper thinker would ask themselves....so here is a veteran salesperson in the industry trying to get an upstart company thinking he can make a buck....while YOU the O/O is struggling with lower rates and trying to tread water...so are the rates that much lower? or are there just more fingers in the pie and some taking a bigger slice to make thier numbers?...

 

[Murraycroexp]

a deeper thinker would ask themselves....so here is a veteran salesperson in the industry trying to get an upstart company thinking he can make a buck....while YOU the O/O is struggling with lower rates and trying to tread water...so are the rates that much lower? or are there just more fingers in the pie and some taking a bigger slice to make thier numbers?...

Depends on the load. All your scenarios are in play at various times.


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[RedBird]

a deeper thinker would ask themselves....so here is a veteran salesperson in the industry trying to get an upstart company thinking he can make a buck....while YOU the O/O is struggling with lower rates and trying to tread water...so are the rates that much lower? or are there just more fingers in the pie and some taking a bigger slice to make thier numbers?...

A little bit of both! I see the carriers getting good rates, or so we hear from o/o that post on here that they're making good money on trips! I also see carriers who are non asset based, going through brokers to get loads for their IC's or O/O, and they too need to make money on the deal too!

Yes some carriers may have a good solid customer base that does their own shipping, ie manufacturing companies. And those conditions are where the rates are good, if you give the customer excellent service. They're willing to pay for great service.

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[xmudman]

I'd like to know how many times some loads get sold before they end up on someone's truck. Everyone sells loads, of course, but the number of fingers in the pie makes a difference.

 

[xiggi]

No reason to worry about things out of our control. It either pays what we need or doesn't.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

No reason to worry about things out of our control. It either pays what we need or doesn't.

agreed...thats what it all boils down to....

 

[crich]

I'd like to know how many times some loads get sold before they end up on someone's truck. Everyone sells loads, of course, but the number of fingers in the pie makes a difference.

As many times ad it takes to get the freight moved by the type of equipment needed in thr time frame available.

 

[xmudman]

As many times ad it takes to get the freight moved by the type of equipment needed in thr time frame available.

In an as-perfect-as-possible world, a company would only have to sell a load once (ie, shipper to, say FedEx to KLM to me). Unless I'm wrong, some loads go through one or two additional brokers between the Fed and KLM*. That would be a major place for dollars to leak out of the pipeline.

*in this instance

Please correct me if I'm wrong

 

[crich]

Oh your not wrong some bid on freight with no intent to move it just resale. If i can get a load that pays 1k for 80 miles why not book it and put it out for bid.some expedite company will grab it at 500 and put a driver on it for 100-300 and everyone profits nicely for there 10 minutes of work except the driver who actually pays to move it.

 

[xmudman]

Oh your not wrong some bid on freight with no intent to move it just resale. If i can get a load that pays 1k for 80 miles why not book it and put it out for bid.some expedite company will grab it at 500 and put a driver on it for 100-300 and everyone profits nicely for there 10 minutes of work except the driver who actually pays to move it.

Explain the difference between this, and double brokering. I don't think this is fair.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Oh your not wrong some bid on freight with no intent to move it just resale. If i can get a load that pays 1k for 80 miles why not book it and put it out for bid.some expedite company will grab it at 500 and put a driver on it for 100-300 and everyone profits nicely for there 10 minutes of work except the driver who actually pays to move it.

Explain the difference between this, and double brokering. I don't think this is fair.

Some carriers gloss over this fact of double brokering by using the terminology of:
A partner carrier is covering it for a fee;

 

[crich]

Its not fair at all.but ovm is correct.

 

[xmudman]

IMHO there should be only one level between shipper and transporting carrier, and that entity should be a carrier as well. Obviously, a given carrier has to service its customers, whether or not it has a unit in the area. They need to be able to sell the load so that it gets done. I object, however, to the fact that entities with no means of transporting the load are still able to stick their fingers in the pie. Honestly, who deserves the biggest slice? The driver! We're the ones doing the lion's share of the work, and are almost always the least wealthy of the entities involved in the load.

 

[crich]

well I don't know sometimes a direct shipper may take 60 days or more to pay so I don't mind running the freight for that shipper via a broker that will pay me in 2 days for 1.5% I might lose the 10-15% that broker is keeping but if the load is paying $7 -$10 per mile I really do not mind. but lets say that broker is a carrier also. then to me its not worth putting the name of that company on the side of my equipment and only getting 70% that extra 15% more than covers the cost of insurance and as a brokerage carrier if that broker does not have a load for me at delivery I am free to find freight from other sources.be it a shipper or 3pl provider. To me 1 man can not do it all by him or herself 100% of the time and keep multiple drivers happy but 1 person can take care of oneself all the time and keep oneself satisfied as long as that individual has a good grasp on the cost of operation and are not out here running freight for fuel money to make it home.

 

[xiggi]

IMHO there should be only one level between shipper and transporting carrier, and that entity should be a carrier as well. Obviously, a given carrier has to service its customers, whether or not it has a unit in the area. They need to be able to sell the load so that it gets done. I object, however, to the fact that entities with no means of transporting the load are still able to stick their fingers in the pie. Honestly, who deserves the biggest slice? The driver! We're the ones doing the lion's share of the work, and are almost always the least wealthy of the entities involved in the load.

So what happens when a shipper uses say 4 different carriers and none have a truck within several hundred miles of an urgent load. Are they just supposed to wait?

What about a huge company like car manufactuer. It makes things easier for them to contract with a central carrier like AA. They place it on a bid board for multiple carriers with capacity in the area to bid. That already makes it two hands. AA rules say the winning bidder cannot resale the load even though I am sure it happens.

When you buy a part at auto zone are you buying direct from the manufacturer or or is AZ the extra hand?

 

[xmudman]

So what happens when a shipper uses say 4 different carriers and none have a truck within several hundred miles of an urgent load. Are they just supposed to wait?

What about a huge company like car manufactuer. It makes things easier for them to contract with a central carrier like AA. They place it on a bid board for multiple carriers with capacity in the area to bid. That already makes it two hands. AA rules say the winning bidder cannot resale the load even though I am sure it happens.

When you buy a part at auto zone are you buying direct from the manufacturer or or is AZ the extra hand?

So in this case, GM calls AA, and AA either delivers the load or bids it out, correct? If they bid it out and XYZ wins, then XYZ delivers (or is supposed to, anyway)? That's completely fair.

Using our own industry, it is also fair for Load One to sell a load to someone like Murray, because CRE will deliver it. The problem would be if Murray sold it to Joe Dirt, who sold it to some other clown before someone finally delivered it. That kind of shyte is going on all the time, and money is leaking out in places it shouldn't. That's less money for the driver.

 

[xiggi]

So in this case, GM calls AA, and AA either delivers the load or bids it out, correct? If they bid it out and XYZ wins, then XYZ delivers (or is supposed to, anyway)? That's completely fair.

Using our own industry, it is also fair for Load One to sell a load to someone like Murray, because CRE will deliver it. The problem would be if Murray sold it to Joe Dirt, who sold it to some other clown before someone finally delivered it. That kind of shyte is going on all the time, and money is leaking out in places it shouldn't. That's less money for the driver.

But you said it should go directly from shipper to transporting company. In the two cases you just sited it is not. It is going through an extra hand.

 

[xmudman]

But you said it should go directly from shipper to transporting company. In the two cases you just sited it is not. It is going through an extra hand.

One extra hand is okay; that's real life in operation. Two or three extra hands, some of whom aren't doing anything except clicking mice and getting paid for it, is where I see the problem.