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clcooper

Expert Expediter
I haven't heard anyone claim a speed limit violates the Bill of Rights, and I don't find anything in there that would support that. But I certainly do see a prohibition, clear and indisputable, against self-incrimination and against searches of our papers absent a warrant obtained by oath of probable cause. Your argument is made of straw.

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You know the problem with bad cops? They make the other 5% look bad.

do i have the right to be safe on the same road as you ??

if log books violates the Bill of Rights why not speed limits they put limits on you can do .

The careless, reckless behavior of the few, has ruined it for the many...where the people are by virtue of voting is allowing government to institute regulations that will hopefully get them reckless, inconsiderate baffoons off the road....the ones that are safe will not be affected...

i agree with OVM . ""The careless, reckless behavior of the many, has ruined it for the few "" and some still havent learned they are still careless, reckless.
 
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Doggie Daddy

Veteran Expediter
Would an electronic log eliminate the ability to log a delivery like that?

No it would not, just be sure to back into the dock the night before or be very close to the dock. In the morning you will be able to unload and move the truck a very small distance without starting your clock.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
The people, through the States at the first constitutional convention, placed limits on the government's power, limits that are beyond the reach of any majority. You imply that the government should be able to limit this or that. You may as well suggest they should be able to flap their arms and fly to the moon. It's not a power they have. Period.

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You know the problem with bad cops? They make the other 5% look bad.

I was trying to actually imply..The people thru whatever reasons have, by their lack of participation, given the government the power by default...There are people like yourselves I would class as fundamentalists and you have the progressives that actually want more government involvement....society is changing....maybe time for constitutional reforms...
 

beachbum

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Paullud, if you read the post again, they came in and went after a bunch of drivers for falsifying their logs not just the driver who caused the accident.
 

paullud

Veteran Expediter
Paullud, if you read the post again, they came in and went after a bunch of drivers for falsifying their logs not just the driver who caused the accident.

Yes I am aware of the situation and I am saying the guy involved should be on trial but the others did no damage and hurt no one. I know people are prosecuted for falsifying log books but it does not mean that the government is right. Our government has a long history of violating people's rights and they continue to circumvent the Constitution every day. They decided that they would make log books a requirement to get around the Fifth Amendment.

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moose

Veteran Expediter
Or here's another scenario. You're sitting 100 miles away from a load going 650. You can do the 650 in one shift, but only if you can start your clock when you pick up. Problem is you have this darn 100 mile dh to get to the pickup and if you run it strictly by the book, you're up the creek because you can't do the load. When you finished the previous day, you still had about 3 hours left that you never used. How many of you would, after you got the load on board, redo a couple pages to show that you did that 100 mile dh the day before? Would that necessarily present a safety concern if you're well rested?

Yes the above statement present a safety concern, and drivers that are involved in such behavior should be targeted,placed OOS., or at least be placed on Electronic logs.
the whole point of the current HOS is to prevent the never ending work day, like the one describe above. and to prevent the weekly accumulated fatigue.

this is wrong in so many ways.
it is behavior like this that fuel EOBR's provocative, and keep rates down.
one you have just placed a Team load on a solo truck.
so you run a cheap freight.
2 you stole a load that was not yours to begin with.*
3 according to the HOS regulation, you where not rested. and legally fatigue.
(*) if that was your very own costumer, with which you have working relationships, you would have done the negotiations, to make him work your truck safe.
or pay more for a service you cannot legally provide.

the problem with HOS is NOT the drivers.
it is the supply chain that never pay the price for running unsafe trucks.
which is why, and ONLY why, large carriers are all for it.
it is a misconception that Elogs came about to protect drivers.
EOBR regulations is being lobby for the protections of Brokers, shippers, and freight providers, those simply won't spend the money to accommodate trucks.
taking an illegal run off of a load board, just play to the hands of our direct competitions.
wake up.

you wanna fight HOS, go ahead, but do not mix that fight with EOBR.
your best bet is to be in full compliance while fighting for a change.
 
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