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[Rocketman]

You'll see me become a leader in the movement to have log books required for everyone. If I have to suffer, everyone will suffer.

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Sadly, that is an easy way for people to express their frustration in a lot of situations. They hate their own situation, but somehow think that if they could possibly drag someone else down with them, it might feel better. Misery loves company I suppose.

 

[ATeam]

Paullud, what would electronic logs do that would cause you to have so much problem with them. Maybe someone could tell me what electronic logs would cause a person to go out of business.

Diane and I used paper logs most of the time we were with FedEx Custom Critical, then electronic logs for a time, and then back to paper logs when we changed carriers to Landstar Express America. Using electronic logs did not put us out of business but they did increase our expenses and delivered no additional benefit in return.

Many of the drivers who like electronic logs talk about being free of the need to manually keep paper logs. Diane and I have never had problems drawing lines and doing arithmetic so being free of that frees us from nothing at all.

Margins have gotten progressivly tighter in this business since Diane and I entered it over eight years ago. Five dollars here and $10 there add up and are becoming increasingly important to the bottom line and to keep a proftitable business profitable.

The only reason someone would be against them is that they couldn't cheat on the logs as easy.

Not true in our case. Diane and I don't cheat on paper logs but we are against electronic logs for the reasons stated above (and other reasons not stated here).

 

[AMonger]

Even Landstars e logs have a personal time button I do believe. Such a easy fix. Right now no one who has to log can drive to get dinner or to a store on personal use if their loaded per the regulations.

As notanewbie said its a regulation and you agreed to the rules and regulations when you came into the industry.

I do agree that with a E-log things will be different, what will be different is the amount of lying drivers have been doing over the years when it comes to their logs. Freight will be left on the dock and freight rates might raise because of the change.

Rhymes with bull spit. If I can be prosecuted for it, it's a law. SCOTUS has ruled that there can be no remaking that abrogates rights. I forget the exact wording.

Another SCOTUS judgment said that the 5th amendment prohibition against forced self-incrimination applies in ANY circumstance in which someone may be penalized for their statements.

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You know the problem with bad cops? They make the other 5% look bad.

 

[paullud]

Sadly, that is an easy way for people to express their frustration in a lot of situations. They hate their own situation, but somehow think that if they could possibly drag someone else down with them, it might feel better. Misery loves company I suppose.

It is that mentality that keeps people from getting up after they have been knocked down, they find it easier to drag others down to their level. Just because something has been done a certain way for awhile doesn't mean it is right. I guess it is a good thing for minorities that there were not more people like beachbum around.

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[Rocketman]

It is that mentality that keeps people from getting up after they have been knocked down, they find it easier to drag others down to their level. Just because something has been done a certain way for awhile doesn't mean it is right. I guess it is a good thing for minorities that there were not more people like beachbum around.

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Ok...what am I missing?

You'll see me become a leader in the movement to have log books required for everyone. If I have to suffer, everyone will suffer.

Did you not mean that?

 

[paullud]

Ok...what am I missing?



Did you not mean that?

It was a joke, that is why I put the smiley face at the end.

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[scottm4211]

Paul you maniac.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Gotta go with the Electronic side......I can't count the conversations I've been in with expeditor straights...waiting for their logs to "catch up" and tearing pages out of the book.....
about this constitution crap and that to me anyhow is what it is...

nearly every other industry has regulations....from having to wear steel toed boots , to hard hats..no facial hair, whatever.....

 

[blackpup]

A responsible person should know when they are safe to drive or when it is time to rest. Should it matter what type of vehicle you operate?

jimmy

 

[OntarioVanMan]

A responsible person should know when they are safe to drive or when it is time to rest. Should it matter what type of vehicle you operate?

jimmy

In a perfect world....but there is the dash for the cash...
I remember the days when so many were hooked on Bennies/Black beauties....those were badtimes....

 

[AMonger]

Gotta go with the Electronic side......I can't count the conversations I've been in with expeditor straights...waiting for their logs to "catch up" and tearing pages out of the book.....
about this constitution crap and that to me anyhow is what it is...

nearly every other industry has regulations....from having to wear steel toed boots , to hard hats..no facial hair, whatever.....

You can't seriously equate safety equipment with having to incriminate yourself. But then again, you just characterized constitutional concerns with crap, so...

You know how many men are in the ground over constitutional crap?

You wanna think this over some more?

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[blackpup]

In a perfect world....but there is the dash for the cash...
I remember the days when so many were hooked on Bennies/Black beauties....those were badtimes....

Definitely not a perfect world .

All things aside . I wonder what was in the reauthorization bill?

jimmy

 

[OntarioVanMan]

You can't seriously equate safety equipment with having to incriminate yourself. But then again, you just characterized constitutional concerns with crap, so...

You know how many men are in the ground over constitutional crap?

You wanna think this over some more?

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No I don't.....work too many hours and the labor standards board will get ya...your punch cardis your incriminating evidence...
People can not regulate themselves...
It could be argued..that you are extending the Constitution far beyond the "basic rights and freedoms" it was meant for...

 

[chefdennis]

You'll see me become a leader in the movement to have log books required for everyone. If I have to suffer, everyone will suffer.

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LOL, you and a few others here!!! Beat that drum...ill be long out of the industry before that happens...LOL..

 

[AMonger]

No I don't.....work too many hours and the labor standards board will get ya...your punch cardis your incriminating evidence...
People can not regulate themselves...
It could be argued..that you are extending the Constitution far beyond the "basic rights and freedoms" it was meant for...

Aside from a few industries, like the transportation industry, where I'd this that the gummint is checking time cards to make sure you are not working too many hours? What hell hole is this?

Second, you have things precisely backward. The constitution doesn't guarantee a few basic liberties and leave the rest to the government to regulate; the constitution gives a FEW powers to the government and leaves the rest intact for individuals.

Are you still a Canadian or have you become an American citizen?

The man Of virtuous soul commands not nor obeys. Power like a desolating pestilence Pollutes whate’er it touches; and obedience, Bane of all genius, virtue, freedom, truth, Makes slaves of men, and of the human frame A mechanized automaton. – Percy Bysshe Shelley, Queen Mab, Canto III (1813)

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[OntarioVanMan]

The people grant the government the right to govern....apparently most are fine with this...or the people would take it back...The careless, reckless behavior of the few, has ruined it for the many...where the people are by virtue of voting is allowing government to institute regulations that will hopefully get them reckless, inconsiderate baffoons off the road....the ones that are safe will not be affected...

 

[clcooper]

lets ***** about the speed limit too . that is agaisnt our Constitution rights to . some t dont think they need to use more then 1 strap on a load of pipe . some think they can drive any speed they want to ,where they want to . some think they can drive 48 hours stright and even able to drive for with out any rest ..

it is the people fault because they were also on the road when the truck with one strap . way over the speed limit , on his 50th hour of stright throuh driveing . if they werent on the road at the same time as the truck drive they would of never got killed or hurt . either . WhERE IS THEIR CONSTITUTION RIGHT .

some believe they are supermen and nothing every happens to them .


""This comes down to the government stepping on other people's rights because they have been bought and paid for by lobbyists""

where does the lobbyists get their money ????


and Congratulations OOIDA .

 

[paullud]

The people grant the government the right to govern....apparently most are fine with this...or the people would take it back...The careless, reckless behavior of the few, has ruined it for the many...where the people are by virtue of voting is allowing government to institute regulations that will hopefully get them reckless, inconsiderate baffoons off the road....the ones that are safe will not be affected...

I think the issue is that some people are apathetic and some are trying to just get by. We have lost our sense of power as the people in this country and let the government become a source of power that will continue to give itself more power. There were a lot of issues in the trucking industry that have since been taken care of and government interference should be at a minimum now. A company can come up with their own standards for drug testing and amount of driving time allowed which they will keep to a higher standard to avoid lawsuits.

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[AMonger]

The people grant the government the right to govern....apparently most are fine with this...or the people would take it back...The careless, reckless behavior of the few, has ruined it for the many...where the people are by virtue of voting is allowing government to institute regulations that will hopefully get them reckless, inconsiderate baffoons off the road....the ones that are safe will not be affected...

The people, through the States at the first constitutional convention, placed limits on the government's power, limits that are beyond the reach of any majority. You imply that the government should be able to limit this or that. You may as well suggest they should be able to flap their arms and fly to the moon. It's not a power they have. Period.

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[AMonger]

lets ***** about the speed limit too . that is agaisnt our Constitution rights to . some t dont think they need to use more then 1 strap on a load of pipe . some think they can drive any speed they want to ,where they want to . some think they can drive 48 hours stright and even able to drive for with out any rest ..

it is the people fault because they were also on the road when the truck with one strap . way over the speed limit , on his 50th hour of stright throuh driveing . if they werent on the road at the same time as the truck drive they would of never got killed or hurt . either . WhERE IS THEIR CONSTITUTION RIGHT .

some believe they are supermen and nothing every happens to them .


""This comes down to the government stepping on other people's rights because they have been bought and paid for by lobbyists""

where does the lobbyists get their money ????


and Congratulations OOIDA .

I haven't heard anyone claim a speed limit violates the Bill of Rights, and I don't find anything in there that would support that. But I certainly do see a prohibition, clear and indisputable, against self-incrimination and against searches of our papers absent a warrant obtained by oath of probable cause. Your argument is made of straw.

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You know the problem with bad cops? They make the other 5% look bad.