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arkjarhead

Veteran Expediter
RE: and borders too

OVM,
I understand what you are saying. If they raised it to 50 whats to stop them from raising it to 52 or 55? I mean they are cutting rates down to what people would have thought to be really low several years ago. The sad thing about it is some newbie who doesn't know what's up will fall for it and wind up in a world of hurt. Do you think the company will stand behind you when you get a speeding ticket?
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
RE: and borders too

No, they won't stand behind you, unless it's to give you a swift kick.

Thing is, if enough drivers get enough tickets, the Safety Rating of the carrier goes down. Eventually, they'll lower the routing speed accordingly. But in the meantime, there will be countless drivers with lingering damage to their CDL because of tickets. But those drivers will have been cut loose from the carrier, so its all good.

Whenever I get a load offer I take a close look at it. I look at where it's going, how it's going, and when it's going. A load from Toledo to Smyrna, TN, for example, may or may not be a routine 500 mile run. At 47 MPH it's a little over 10.5 hours, and at 50 MPH it's 10 hours. Most cargo vans can do a 500 mile run in about 8 hours, depending on how much is Interstate, and at what time you are in various places. At 8 hours, that's a 62.5 MPH average.

If you pick up in Toledo at 2200, you can make that in 8 hours with likely no problems. You'll zip right through Dayton and Cincinnati, crossing the Brent Spence Bridge over the beautiful Ohio River 3 to 3 1/2 hours after leaving the shipper, then an hour and a half later you'll swing left and head down I-65 with Louisville large in your mirrors. You may stop for fuel down at Exit 2, then head on across the state line and down through Nashville, arriving in Smyrna at 0600, maybe a little earlier.

Same trip with picking up in Toledo at 1300 and it's a whole different ballgame. You'll hit Dayton at the beginning of its rush hour, fight that all the way to Cincinnati where you'll hit a full-tilt boogey rush hour, and eventually have to deal with Louisville between 7-8 PM when the final stages if its rush hour are in full swing, dealing with Camaro Cops and Fort Knox jocks all the way down to E-town where they're still rollin' ya across if yer in a truck. You've missed dinner, so you might stop and grab something to eat on the way. By the time you're into Tennessee and through town, and into Smyrna, it's 2300, probably an hour or so later than that. Your routine 8 hour trip just took 10, and you may even be late if you drive for E-1 and you had the audacity to stop for fuel.

I honestly don't care what MPH figure they use for routing. All that matters to me is where it's going, how, and when, and can I make the trip safely and on-time. Safely and late is useless. So is on-time but unsafe. They have to go hand in hand, can't have one without the other. If I can't make the run safely and on-time, I'll tell them that right up front. They can either give the load to someone else, or they can adjust the times. I'm OK either way.

It's only happened a few times, though. I was recently in Vermont and was offered a load going from Marshal, IL to Knoxville, TN. Told them right up front that I'd probably be about a day and half late for the pickup.

Slow and steady, even in expediting, wins the race - Aesop
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
RE: and borders too

finally 2 people who can see the big picture...

turtle.. bless you for your loooong response this time...


BTW I seen that E-1 crack..*L* you just couldn't help yourself afterall look who you drive for....*L*
 

bamamule

Seasoned Expediter
I run safe and leagle stop and use restroom and thats the way to do it If company wants it differnt they need a new driver
One of the reasons van drivers should have to log along with anybody who drives for a living including cops
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Turtle, in your Smyrna scenario you forgot to mention that the directions are a mess, the QC says deliver to dock 9 instead of gate 9, you are driving on Nissan Drive looking for a sign directing you to dock 9, while gate 9 is located way around the plant on Eunuch Springs Road. Oh yea, it is dark and raining.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
OVM,
I see the problem I am just being truly sarcastic.

I also see that many companies can't figure out how to be competitive in today's market and they shore up their "we are the best choice because we can get it there faster" attitude with stupid changes like this. They really should not be in business if they can't gain market share through better ideas.

By the way NLM delivery speed was based on fixed routes to fix locations.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
A month or so ago E-1 split the load planners(dispatchers) inot separate divisions, van/sprinter- C's &D's- tractors.

My assumption and thats all it is that they had a team meeting and someone mentioned that vans do it faster and a decision was made at that level...I've been trying to get ahold of someone at safety relations and driver services because I don't believe they are aware of the speed change. If they are aware I don't think they thought out the bad direction this pushes the business toward.

Express Ones is one of the best services there is...they don't need to do this....
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
OVM... hate to tell ya, but a lot of companies are at 50mph. We had a load from Jung once that was 55 avg. But you and Turtle are correct. If I can't get it there safely in the time they want it, I turn it down. Freight is freight, but dead is dead. And I'm not dying for freight.

-True independence can only be gained if you're trully independant.
 

arkjarhead

Veteran Expediter
Great words thawk. I mean that in all seriousness. I often noticed in my time in trucking that some dispatchers(not all) try to push drivers to do things that are unsafe. The reason I think they continue to do this is because some drivers go ahead with it while some tell them no. They most likely figure they have a 50-50 chance of you going along with them.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
If there is any question of making it on time I tell them I'll need the time adjusted. That is very rare because our times are computed at 47mph after a 45 minute window at the shipper. On the example run to Smyrna we'd have 11.25 hours from p/u appointment to delivery time. The most important point made, worth repeating again, is keeping dispatch informed of what's going on. I agree that starting the clock at the p/u time is ridiculous. You don't just drive by the shipper and freight miraculously jumps in as you pass. Time has to be allowed to load. It sounds like a butt biting waiting to happen.

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Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
"Freight is freight, but dead is dead. And I'm not dying for freight."
-Tennesseahawk

Excellent words to live by! Everyone should read and think about this motto and then live and work accordingly.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Had an "Alliance" load picked in Marshall Mi going to Canada..i'd say about 110 miles to the border from there approx. They called 1 1/2 hours later asked if I made the border...told them I was just at the city limits..."they said...the speed limit is 70 in Mi whats keeping you???
I can't type my response.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
>
>
> The honeymoon must be over.

Col...that was my old company about 2 years ago...

Honeymoons never over, the scre##ng never stops...just have to CYA.

I love this profession!
:)
 

x06col

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Army
An you are still a dandy there OVM. A dandy.
 

The Enemy

Veteran Expediter
OVM, I totally agree with you and Turtle. I understand that we car legally run faster that the big trucks, but with traffic, construction and other scenarios sometimes you are cutting it close. I always let my dispatcher know if I am sitting for longer than 10 mins somewhere on the road.

Just an example, sitting at home in Detroit, I96 an Telegraph area, They call me at 16:30 for a pickup in Brighton, MI for a 17:30 PU. I tell them right away that its not gonna happen. Even though I am 45 miles away, you have to deal with rush hour traffic on I96, I275, and back on I96. On one occasion I told a dispatcher that and her response was that she was gonna give the load to someone else since I refused the load. I told her to go ahead and I'm not gonna kill myself to get the load. Sure enough 10 mins later the phone rang again with the same load offer with a 18:30 PU time. Sometimes they (dispatchers) just need to be kept in check with the reality of the road.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Nick,
The dispatcher needs to get off their a** and come here to the area and sit in traffic trying to get through 275 to 96 to go to brighton at 4pm on friday.
 

The Enemy

Veteran Expediter
>Nick,
>The dispatcher needs to get off their a** and come here to
>the area and sit in traffic trying to get through 275 to 96
>to go to brighton at 4pm on friday.


Greg, I completely agree with you. I wish the dispatchers would have to do a ride along program for a month or so through busy city's to see what its like. Maybe then they will understand. But that will happen when I inherit Bill Gate's fortune.

Another one happened last week, got the call at 15:00 for a 16:30 pu. I was sitting at home, the pick up was in Romeo. Southfield traffic, 696 traffic and then Van :censoredsign: traffic at rush hour, that wasn't gonna happen. Needless to say I got more time after I talked to the fleet coordinator.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
A question we are frequently asked by newbies and non-expediting truck drivers alike is about the rush to get expedited freight through. It seems a lot of people out there believe we race from point A to point B to make a delivery time.

I can't say anything about other carriers but I can speak from our experience with FedEx Custom Critical. NOT ONCE in over four years has dispatch ever asked us to drive faster than is safe (safe meaning within the speed limit) to make a pickup or delivery on time. Every load comes with sufficient time built in to complete the pickup and delivery safely. If we are delayed at a pickup, the delivery time is bumped. If we are delayed in traffic, the delivery time is bumped. If we are delayed by bad weather, the delivery time is bumped.

FedEx Custom Critical frequently states in its communications that "safety takes priority." They mean it. It is one of the reasons we chose FedEx Custom Critical as our carrier, and it is one of the reasons we stay.
 
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