Fox News is reporting today that President Barack Hussein Obama called the owner of the NFL's Philadelphia Eagles to applaud his decision to hire well known puppy-killer Michael Vick. Should Obama weigh in on behalf of such dastardly criminals? Should Hussein Obama lend the prestige of his office in an attempt to rehabilitate the public image of Vick?
Obama hails puppy-killer
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witness23
Veteran Expediter
I heard the President has Vick on his Fantasy Football League. The President is starting Vick this Sunday, so he is attempting to build Vick's confidence so he plays better.
Vick did his time, paid his debt to society. How much more debt is he required to pay? So long as he doesn't kill any more puppies, it's a non-issue. He shouldn't have to keep paying for what he did.
It's kinda like when you do something on EO that gets you banned. Once the ban is over, it's over, and you shouldn't have to keep on paying for what got you banned.
It's kinda like when you do something on EO that gets you banned. Once the ban is over, it's over, and you shouldn't have to keep on paying for what got you banned.
mrgoodtude
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Vick did his time, paid his debt to society. How much more debt is he required to pay? So long as he doesn't kill any more puppies, it's a non-issue. He shouldn't have to keep paying for what he did.
It's kinda like when you do something on EO that gets you banned. Once the ban is over, it's over, and you shouldn't have to keep on paying for what got you banned.
Well put shelled one..
Mike isn't done paying his debts though having to give up 2/3 of his salary to Bankruptcy courts, attorneys etc..
The cat hits the field on game day to do what he loves to do and he is doing it well.
Paid is his debt to society, he has moved on and maybe we should as well.
Maybe play some online bingo, read the bible or something
greg334
Veteran Expediter
The POS should have never been allowed to play professional sports again. It is a reflection of not the POS but rather the NFL and the owners who don't care what image they have just as long as they make money.
I wonder if he was a child molester or a child murderer, would the degree of the crime matter to the NFL?
Paying his "debt to society" in those cases mean more than in his actual situation of killing dogs?
I mean killing a dog is akin to killing a child to a great many people in this world and the excuse that it is a cultural thing (which also reinforces Leo's point) seems to be prevalent in not just the press and public opinion but justification of his actions.
I wonder if he was a child molester or a child murderer, would the degree of the crime matter to the NFL?
Paying his "debt to society" in those cases mean more than in his actual situation of killing dogs?
I mean killing a dog is akin to killing a child to a great many people in this world and the excuse that it is a cultural thing (which also reinforces Leo's point) seems to be prevalent in not just the press and public opinion but justification of his actions.
mrgoodtude
Not a Member
Nice Greg
Dogs and Children is a bit of a stretch though...
My point (though I am not very good at stating my case) is that
It seems a desperate attempt to bag on Obummer when there are so many other issues deserving ridicule..
Vick congratulated my Obummer
Clinton got a Hummer
So What?
Second is my belief that people that make mistakes can reform and if society deems Vick's debt paid then I am satisfied with that.
Vick as far as I can tell has learned from his mistakes and is doing a good job of rebuilding his image in as much as I have witnessed.
Unless this too is a black thang too..Wurd
Funny to me is that the people that live in the black and white world tend to be the most self righteous.
Clearly this is an issue for some with Barack and I am cool with that, I have my own issues however it is getting to the point that the right is sounding/looking as nutty as the left.
This is why I stay the hell out of the soaps
Dogs and Children is a bit of a stretch though...
My point (though I am not very good at stating my case) is that
It seems a desperate attempt to bag on Obummer when there are so many other issues deserving ridicule..
Vick congratulated my Obummer
Clinton got a Hummer
So What?
Second is my belief that people that make mistakes can reform and if society deems Vick's debt paid then I am satisfied with that.
Vick as far as I can tell has learned from his mistakes and is doing a good job of rebuilding his image in as much as I have witnessed.
Unless this too is a black thang too..Wurd
Funny to me is that the people that live in the black and white world tend to be the most self righteous.
Clearly this is an issue for some with Barack and I am cool with that, I have my own issues however it is getting to the point that the right is sounding/looking as nutty as the left.
This is why I stay the hell out of the soaps
witness23
Veteran Expediter
phew....I was hoping I wasn't the only one thinking the same thing. A bit of a stretch indeed.
A very good observation on your part.
One way of determining if your observation may or may not be correct, is to look at those who respond to the original post and if they are in agreement or not with the original post. I would bet your assumption would be correct in this instance.
Well said, I would have to agree with that statement for the most part.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Really, here is something from another thread. I think the emotion is well placed within the post and others seem to feel the same way - pets are family and it is relative to those who are affected by the loss of a pet as much as they would be a loss of a child.
I understand the point, I have heard it a lot and sort of agree with the Obama thing. BUT as president, he has been rather falling on the side of some subjects where he needs to stay neutral.
See here is the fundamental difference I have with that mindset, he can't pay his debt because his debt is with the victim, not society. Like a lot of other crimes, the victim is forgotten and there is some sort of basis to allow the criminal to pay for something, walk away from the responsibility and the victim's suffering not receiving any justice at all.
Child or animal, it makes no difference. If we are a society that has evolved, then the punishment for a crime against an innocent person or animal should be along the lines of the crime committed.
I don't think he has. He is motivated to say he has because it leads him back to the profession he feels he deserves to be part of. I think banning him from professional sports would have been the right punishment for him.
Actually this is part of the point that Leo was making, Obama did this because it is a cultural issue. Living in the Detroit area - the dog fighting capital - there is a lot to be said about the need for an open discussion on cultural issues that divide the country. By the way we have more dogs dumped here than anywhere else.
Funny to me is that the people that live in the black and white world tend to be the most self righteous.[/qjuote]
NO not really, I don't see the crime in a lot of things but on the other hand the penal system has broken down to try to accommodate the need for reform while sacrificing the victims right to justice.
Clearly this is an issue for some with Barack and I am cool with that, I have my own issues however it is getting to the point that the right is sounding/looking as nutty as the left.
This is why I stay the hell out of the soaps
well you make good points, and glad you are posting - if that matters to you.
Vick did his time, paid his debt to society. How much more debt is he required to pay? So long as he doesn't kill any more puppies, it's a non-issue. He shouldn't have to keep paying for what he did.
It's kinda like when you do something on EO that gets you banned. Once the ban is over, it's over, and you shouldn't have to keep on paying for what got you banned.
How is he keep paying for what he did? He did his time in prison. The NFL let him play in their league again and make millions of dollars. For the most part the protests against Vick have been a very small group. What other DEBT is he paying?
mrgoodtude
Not a Member
No sweat Greg, still a fan.
I don't know that he is paying some other debt, or continuing to pay the one he's already paid. I didn't say that he was.
My point is, if some people had their way, he absolutely would be. For example, those who detest professional athletes on some philosophical level, and then use that as an excuse to say that someone who has paid their debt to society should continue to pay that debt by not being allowed to work in their chosen profession. Good think Vick wasn't a short order cook at the Waffle House, 'cause I'd sure hate to think he shouldn't be allowed to ever cook again just because he engaged in dog fighting, or armed robbery, or anything else that he's paid his debt for doing.
The over-the-top, glorious (fake) outrage over dog fighting never existed in many, many people, until a famous black man was charged with it. That gave them the perfect excuse to rail their deep-seeded racism against the accused (and now the guilty), and say some of the most absurd things imaginable, like killing a dog is akin to killing a child. Killing a dog is bad, but sheesh, get a grip. The lust for vengeance, clearly, has no bounds.
In many ways, it reminds me of the over-the-top, glorious (fake) fawning and adulation over those in the military these days, as if that can somehow overcome the national guilt of the pendulum that swung too far in the other direction in how we as a nation treated those in the military during and after Vietnam.
But I digress.
I don't think the animosity towards Vick has anything to do about him being black. It has to do with what he did to those dogs. A lot of people have dogs as pets and are considered part of the family. What Vick did to those animals by most people's standard was obscene. If it were a white person that did that he would have gotten the same treatment.
There is NOT daily coverage on the "NEWS" so there is NOT daily outrage. If the "NEWS" does not tell people it's going on every day, it's not. It ONLY happens when the "NEWS" tells us it does.
Vick is a convicted felon. He is a THUG. I find it hard to believe that his "criminal activities" started with dog fighting, but hey, who knows? He did his time. He needs to be watched. Felons cannot be trusted until the PROVE that they can be.
Obama claims that released felons need a "level playing field". HORSE FEATHERS. If I were to hire someone I have a RIGHT to know if they have a criminal record. I then can make an informed decision based on the facts of the case etc. To hide that information from employers would be wrong.
Freightdawg
Expert Expediter
That didn't work out too well!
You got that right!! He got "lit up" pretty bad last night. Could not have happened to a "nicer guy" !!!