Obama guilty

aquitted

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I was on a charity bike run and a couple riding together had side arms others and myself couldn't believe that this couple deemed it necessary to carry hand guns on a charity run, I think they were a coupe of posers or morons.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
What were they thinking? Their crystal ball should have told them definitively that was not the time some lunatic would attack a random presumed defenseless group. They only need to carry during the time the crystal ball tells them there will be an attack. That's the only time someone needs to be prepared to defend themselves. Only a moron would carry when they know absolutely positively without any possible question or doubt there's no way an attack will occur.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I was on a charity bike run and a couple riding together had side arms others and myself couldn't believe that this couple deemed it necessary to carry hand guns on a charity run, I think they were a coupe of posers or morons.

Morons, off duty cops or some other government officials, often interchangeable.

Then again, there are very few places/events that are 100% void of the chance of attack. Some areas/events it may be more, or less, likely, but very few places/events that it could NEVER happen.

It used to be highly unlikely in good ole Monroe, MI, BUT, with the major increases in heroin use and influx of drug dealers, that threat is growing daily. Which is why the Kroger on Monroe street now has armed guards when it is open.
 
Last edited:

Pilgrim

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Maybe it's that he starts off telling his wife he can see himself doing exactly the same thing in the same situation and then does a 180 to the typical academic position that CHL holders/practitioners are stupid for doing so and he has divested himself of all his guns by putting them at his father's. Kind of like what I said already. It's fine if he disagrees with me. It's his, and anyone else's, privilege to be wrong.
I keep thinking about this situation in the Wal-Mart and can't help going back to this part of the article (emphasis mine):
What I tried to explain to my wife—who thought Wilcox should have been running in the other direction, seeking cover—was that I could not blame him one bit. I could see myself doing exactly the same thing in the same scenario. Armed with a handgun and licensed to carry it concealed on his person, Wilcox read the situation, saw Miller—male, armed, firing a long gun and yelling—and thought he had an opportunity to end the threat.

He did not notice the diminutive woman on the sidelines with shopping cart and the handbag. She evidently had not made a scene. Wilcox approached Miller from behind. From his perspective, he had a chance to end the killing. From a broader perspective, he was already marked for death. Amanda came up behind him and pumped multiple shots into his ribs.

IMHO the author's wife was right. Wilcox should have been seeking cover before engaging an armed aggressor. Even the most basic training courses teach you to seek cover during any type of confrontation that requires you to defend yourself with your handgun, and this is what Wilcox should have done. Although we have no way of knowing the extent of his training, it sounds like Wilcox likely went through the carry course after buying his pistol and didn't go through any additional training courses that specifically deal with tactics. Considering he thinks he could see himself "doing exactly the same thing..." the author is likely a poser, not actually having anywhere near the hands-on knowledge and experience with firearms he claims. More likely his knowledge comes from reading books - typical of most academics, and the guns in his family have always been at his father's house.

The problem is that so many people will spend $800 for their snob-brand pistol, another $100 to get a carry permit, but won't invest another $200-$400 on classes that will teach them how to use it safely and actually protect themselves and their families.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Pilgrim: I got the impression the wife thought Wilcox should have been running for cover instead of attempting to end the threat, rather than as a preliminary step. I could be wrong, though, lol.

PS I think the problem is people who spend the money to buy a weapon, take whatever classes are obligatory, and don't put any more thought into the possible ways it can change their thinking/attitude.
 

Pilgrim

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Pilgrim: I got the impression the wife thought Wilcox should have been running for cover instead of attempting to end the threat, rather than as a preliminary step. I could be wrong, though, lol.
No - you're right. Seek cover FIRST, then determine whether or not you can neutralize the threat.
PS I think the problem is people who spend the money to buy a weapon, take whatever classes are obligatory, and don't put any more thought into the possible ways it can change their thinking/attitude.
Money paid for a high-priced handgun is money spent. Money paid for lessons and training is money invested. It's like buying a private plane and not bothering to learn how to fly it.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
No, it's not like buying a private plane and not learning to fly it, because then, one can't use it. Without hiring a pilot, of course.
One can, however, buy a weapon and figure out how it works without any instruction at all. And there are many who do just that.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
"Money paid for a high-priced handgun is money spent. Money paid for lessons and training is money invested. It's like buying a private plane and not bothering to learn how to fly it."

And people around where I live are putting their money into that kind of investment in record numbers! It is almost impossible to get firearms training without going on a waiting list of 6 months, or longer, for classes. There are not nearly enough instructors to supply the demand for training and range time is difficult to get. Some ranges have taken to a "reservation system" since the number of people standing around waiting for lanes to open was impeding business.

Also, what I have learned from shop owners, people are not buying "high priced" OR the "low priced" firearm models. The main thrust of the purchases is in the mid-range, with quality and function being more important than price or "bells and whistles".
 
Top