Obama / Farrakhan Connection

dhalltoyo

Veteran Expediter
“This young man is the hope of the entire world that America will change and be made better. This young man is capturing audiences of black and brown and red and yellow. If you look at Barack Obama’s audiences and look at the effect of his words, those people are being transformed. A black man with a white mother became a savior to us. A black man with a white mother could turn out to be one who can lift America from her fall.”
—Nation of Islam Grand Wizard Louis Farrakhan

Farrakhan said, "This young man is the hope of the entire world... a savior to us" Watch out, here comes the one world government.

Such statements are just another example of blind Obamania; sort of like the deafening screams at a Beatles concert.


"Imagine there's no heaven"
Communism (i.e. centralized government) has no room for God in their system


"Imagine there's no countries"
Obama is huge on the United Nations dictating global policy.


"Imagine no possessions"
The centralized government will own everything.



"You may say I'm a dreamer"
Pipe dreamer. Just like the drugs Obama has admittedly smoked.
 

mrgoodtude

Not a Member
Rev with all due respect your post seems desperate.
Again with all due respect why are you so passionate about denying Obama?
I am not a personal supporter of same but am amused by your passionate distaste of his existence.
I do not believe you are a Duke supporter but honestly to a layman you could be taken in misconstrue.
Farrakhan blows hamsters in my humble opinion but I haven't seen where Obama has been a staunch ally of the flute man rather a reverse.
Are we afraid that a man of color is somehow inferior and not capable of rule without prejudice?
Point is if this is the devil with a tan as a clergy you should lay facts on the table not opinions and when I say facts I mean just that..
Not Quotes, public opinion or CB rambo 9th grade synopsis.
I support you but need you to be credible, factual and real.
Mike
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
Hey Goodtude...

If I may be so bold, I'll answer your questions . Padre can add his opinion if he so chooses.

"Again with all due respect why are you so passionate about denying Obama?"
Obama is the worst of the worst when it comes to his voting record. He is more liberal (in this case I should say socialist) than Ted Kennedy. If you had a feeling of someone very Castro-esque or Stalin-esque was running for president of the US, wouldn't YOU do your best to deny them too?

"Are we afraid that a man of color is somehow inferior and not capable of rule without prejudice?"
Question is, prejudice from whom? M-E-D-I-A. Personally, I don't want a Congress that is afraid to stand up to the president, in fear of being labelled a RACIST!!! I don't want a government with a socialistic agenda, who is more empowered because the PEOPLE who stand up to that president will be shunned by the UN-LEARNED masses as being RACIST!!! I don't want a self-annointed MESSIAH, I want a PRESIDENT! Take a good look, Goodtude. Hillary is getting LAMBASTED for pulling regular, everyday political tactics against Obama. Why? Because it's OBAMA. The prejudice you talk about is already alive and well in the campaign. Imagine what's to come if he's crowned emperor. The media has already started bowing to him.

You want proof? All you need to do is listen. Ignore the cheering and crying of what the Rev described as teenagers meeting the Beatles, and listen to what he's saying. There is NO SUBSTANCE! As shallow and socialistic Hillary is, at least she has some sort of substance. With Obama, it's all about feeling good about change, and hope for a "NEW?!?" America. He hides his intentions, and rightfully so. Cause if he were to share them with the masses, he'd get fewer votes than Nader. His voting record is the proof, Goodtude. And that's enough for me!
 

Turtle

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Retired Expediter
Obama is the worst of the worst when it comes to his voting record.
Then why constantly bring up Farrakhan and his connection, real or imagined, to Obama? It's skirting the issue. In the other post referenced here, it's easy to sing the praises of some other black candidate when the other black candidate isn't even a candidate. It certainly gives the impression that one is forthright, gracious and magnanimous, and it's a great deflection for the underlying hatred, or fear, of certain things.

I dislike Obama, not because of who he knows, or because of who someone he knows knows, or because of what someone else says about him. I dislike him because he has not come forth with any issues that matter. I dislike him because he only deals in emotions, in symbolism over substance. Where's the substance? If his voting recored is any indication, there's no substance there at all. If Obama gets elected, he's either going to be really good for this country, or really, really bad.

I think his symbolism over substance is going to win him the primary and make him the Democratic Party's candidate for president. I think the the course of the actual campaign for president, the people will demand the substance behind the symbolism. They either won't get it, or they won't like what they get. Especially if others with a n actual substantive agenda join in the spotlight.

I'm a Beatles fan, and a John Lennon fan. Does that make me bad?

Just imagine.
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
Good points, Turtle.

But who he associates with is a likely indication of his intentions. In a day and age where Muslim extremists are infiltrating the US and European countries, I find it strange that ppl are flocking to a guy who we know very little about. The thing that does stick out is his ARABIC name. Could you imagine the US electing a Japanese president during WW2? Nah... our ppl gave a little more of a damn back then.

The fundamentalists are counting on our, and Europe's tendencies to placate and make feel-good policies, when it comes to outsiders. The governments give in to the minority/immigrants' every demands. Realistically, I can't see how Obama is an option. Not saying he's a plant by those who would have us convert or die. But would you blame me for not wanting to take the chance? Am I wrong for thinking that?
 

dhalltoyo

Veteran Expediter
No problem Mr. Goodtude.

John Wesley was persecuted by clergymen and magistrates. He was attacked in sermons and in print and at times attacked by mobs. He was denounced as a promulgator of strange doctrines, fomenter of religious disturbances; as a blind fanatic, leading people astray, claiming miraculous gifts, attacking the clergy of the Church of England, and trying to reestablish Catholicism. Considering how John Wesley bore the burden of such a great persecution, and the great impact he had on Christianity, I'd say it is an honor to take a few shots.

Even though I am not running for any political office; hence, my opinions should not bear the weight of such scrutiny, I have come to expect such when taking firm stances that are not status quo. It's kind of like a pastor that I had in the Bible Institute who also once had a radio program. Somebody called in to ask if the pastor were to commit murder today, would he still go to heaven? The pastor replied, "If I took a machine gun and killed everybody in the studio, yes, I would still go to heaven." Although it wasn't a popular answer, I could give you plenty of verses that would prove his response to be true. The caller was simply trying to start a pointless confrontation, because anyone that I have ever met who exhibited the Love of Christ would not be prone to commit such an unwarranted act.

Whenever we consider any person for the office of commander-in-chief; a position that will place a nuclear arsenal at his fingertips, I believe it to be imperative that every aspect of that indivdual's life should be closely reviewed. I want to know everything possible: what he eats, what he thinks about, what books he reads, how often does he attend church, what type of clothes does he prefer, what are his spending habits, what excites him, what angers him, are he and his wife family oriented, etc. I am trying to remember if the Obama's have any children. I want to know that too.

Senator Obama has publicly stated that his conversion to Christianity was due to the influence of a man that he holds in utmost esteem. A man who is responsible for Mr. Obama's change in direction.

The evidence of Senator Obama's glowing praise of Reverend Wright is factual. You'll find numerous articles in print regarding such. Reverend Wright's sermons regarding White Supremacy echo the same dribble coming from Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and yes, Louis Farrakhan. Feel free to visit his church and listen for yourself. Reverend Wright's association and praise of Louis Farrakan is available. Get a copy of the Trumpet Newsmagazine and look for yourself. That is the viable and documented connection.

Obama's Farrakhan Test
By Richard CohenTuesday,
January 15, 2008; Page A13 Washington Post

It is only politically expedient that Mr. Obama avoid direct questioning regarding his opinion of Louis Farrakahn. In fact, the media raises its ugly head when Mrs. Clinton utters a negative remark, but they excuse Mr. Obama's. It should be obvious to even the casual observer that we are not going to see, or hear, much regarding Mr. Obama’s connection with Reverend Wright, Louis Farrakhan, Al Sharpton, Dr. King (Who speeches Obama draws upon quite heavily) and a cast of a thousand other central government liberals with about as much substance as vapors of steam.

Oh, I do have a few tunes by the Fab Four running around in my brain and that does not make me a good or bad person. The difference is that I am not spastically gyrating all over the floor simply to be deemed a groupie. I am more interested in substance of the music and the lyrics as opposed to being more concerned about whether or not those standing next to me think I am in vogue. That is what I see with Obamania. Groupies. Fashionable to be seen, but no substance.

Please pray for rain and cold temperatures in Ohio on Tuesday. Why? Those without substance, grit if you will, tend not to go to the polls on bad weather days. I'll vote for Hillary just the derail the "Crazy Train". Uh, thanks Ozzy!
 

Turtle

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Retired Expediter
The media doesn't quite know what to do with Obama. They refuse to treat him even the way they treat Hillary. They hammered Bill Cunningham (WLW radio, Cincinnati) over the use of Obama's full name, including <gasp!> his middle name, in a McCain rally warmup speech. The national media went nuts because of that, and because Cunningham criticized the media for treating Obama with kid gloves. The NY Times hammered him hard on the front page, right next to an article about Hillary where they used her three names, including her middle name, in the headline itself. It's OK to use Hilary's middle name, but not Obama's. Too funny.

Everyone's afraid that if they use his middle name they're be branded as haters, as racists. The media wants to so bad it can't stand it, but they won't delve into his associations and any kind of connections to Islam, because, that's not politically correct. At least for the moment, Obama is off limits as far as scrutinizing his background, his beliefs, his agenda, because he's a black man and we just can't have people going after a black man, cause they remember all too well the phrase "high tech lynching". Throw in his middle name and the hands off of political correctness just adds to the silliness. It's political correctness gone uber nuts, is what it is.

I do think that when it gets down to the nitty gritty of the presidential race, the American people will demand to know more about Obama and what he stands for. I also think that people like Jackson, Sharpton, Farrakhan and many others will eventually be unable to resist the spotlight. When that happens, if there is even the slightest perception that Obama is to become the "black" president with a special interest agenda, be it black or African or Islamic Fundamentalism, the Beatle-esque swooners will come out of their fog and see Obama for what he is.

One question I do have for you David, why is it that just because you are not running for a political office do you think your publicly posted opinions should be immune from scrutiny or rebuttal?

Here's a thought.... What if Reverend Wright is the new John Wesley? History can be funny that way.

Hawk, his name doesn't bother me at all. It's not like he changed his name a couple of years ago from William Michael Anderson to Mohammad Abdul el Ack Ack Ack or something. Hussein was his father's name. I do think he's stupid for not having changed it years ago when he was advised to do so, but his name in and of itself is irrelevant. Also, guilt by association is a very dicey thing. If there's something to it all, it'll come out without the need to speculate or assume.
 

Pilgrim

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Here's an interesting article from the National Journal documenting Obama's voting record for 2007 as being the MOST LIBERAL in the entire Senate - as in more liberal than Kucinich, Boxer, Kennedy, etc. In spite of his rhetoric, this tells us what his governing tendencies would be if elected to the highest office in the land.

NATIONAL JOURNAL: Obama: Most Liberal Senator in 2007 (01/31/2008)

For more biographical info as well as detailed voting records by subject or issue see also:

Project Vote Smart - Senator Barack H. Obama Jr. - Biography

Note on this website that Obama refuesed to respond to their request for his positions on current campaign issues.
 
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dhalltoyo

Veteran Expediter
Those of us who are actively engaged in the transportation industry, or have been, or those who have an interest in possibly getting into the business, all share some common ground based upon that aspect alone; therefore, a modicum of professional courtesy should be extended toward one another.

Moreover, this simply an open forum and not an inquistion, or a senate committee hearing.:p

These discussions encourage me to dig a little deeper than I would had I read a tidbit in one of the local rags; hence, I very grateful for the exchange of ideas.

Yes, I expect folks to consider the context of my posts, but to attack me personally is an entirely different matter.

For example, I know that akjarhead hails from Arkansas and although we may differ in our political views, I wouldn't be so bold as to refer to him as an Orval E. Faubus devotee or closet Klansman.

Hopefully, you can see difference.

If my finger was going to be on the nuclear trigger, I would expect, and welcome, an intensive scrutiny of my beliefs, thoughts, aspirations, etc. Obviously I am not a candidate so there must another motive. Well, of course there is another motive. So, "What's your motive?"

When you interject the Gospel of Jesus Christ within the context of your posts, as I often do, the truth of the Gospel pricks the heart. It matters not whether you believe. or whether you do not believe...the effect is still the same.

The Apostle Paul was bold and told the Jews that they had just crucified the Messiah they had been waiting for for so long. Ouch! Some were moved to realize their error, but most sought to simply eliminate Paul. You know, "Kill the messenger."

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Although I do not believe that such intensive introspection is warranted, simply because I am just an animated dirt ball that was fashioned from clay, I have come to expect such.

2 Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
 

mrgoodtude

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Rev
Mine was not a grand inquisition nor a personal attack but in the spirit of fairness felt it necessary to address both sides of the coin.
You dropped the Farrakhan bomb when decided to post this thread I merely stated in tautological terms that maybe you weren't being fair at least not factual.
Larry chimed in with his personal views choosing a somewhat condescending tone (by addressing me with each point) but made a valid argument that I agree with in most part.
No fault no harm.
You have mentioned persecution and for the life of me I can't figure out how you reached that conclusion, my dialogue with you in private (to me anyway) has been meaningful and sincere.
I have held you in the highest regards and while we don't see eye to eye on everything I respect your opinion.
I am confident that Jesus knows me better than you and in matters of faith I prefer to deal with him directly.
It was not my intent to ruffle your feathers and again my purpose was only to discover and define the facts.
As for Turtle I don't always agree with his philosophy but respect his ability to remain unbiased and articulate his views and after rereading his posts I feel he like everyone else just put forth his two cents.
In closing I believe everyone feels similar in their views on Obama I just feel compelled to understand others and why they have reached the conclusions they have put to record.
I am not a learned man (more of the 10th grade GED support the family type) but will not be someones fool either.
I hope you can put this behind you.
Regards
Mike
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
Larry chimed in with his personal views choosing a somewhat condescending tone (by addressing me with each point) but made a valid argument that I agree with in most part.

In closing I believe everyone feels similar in their views on Obama I just feel compelled to understand others and why they have reached the conclusions they have put to record.
I am not a learned man (more of the 10th grade GED support the family type) but will not be someones fool either.

Didn't mean to come across as condescending; but if I did, I apologize.

BINGO on being the fool. Too many are inclined to trust what one media outlet or another tells them. Frankly, they're too busy or ignorant to do their own homework. I adressed you in that post, because you are usually someone who will look at different angles on a subject. Perhaps I was overzealous in preaching mine.

And don't sell yourself short. A wise man isn't necessarily a learned man. America is full of "blondes" with college degrees.
 

mrgoodtude

Not a Member
Larry no offense taken:cool:
My skin is getting thicker as I get older and I respect anyone that puts themselves out there and stands firm.
Mike
 

mrgoodtude

Not a Member
Here's an interesting article from the National Journal documenting Obama's voting record for 2007 as being the MOST LIBERAL in the entire Senate - as in more liberal than Kucinich, Boxer, Kennedy, etc. In spite of his rhetoric, this tells us what his governing tendencies would be if elected to the highest office in the land.

NATIONAL JOURNAL: Obama: Most Liberal Senator in 2007 (01/31/2008)

For more biographical info as well as detailed voting records by subject or issue see also:

Project Vote Smart - Senator Barack H. Obama Jr. - Biography

Note on this website that Obama refuesed to respond to their request for his positions on current campaign issues.


These are the kinda facts I am talking about...
Thank's Pilgrim
 

arkjarhead

Veteran Expediter
I know I'm going to make some mad, and some will have something against what I'm about to say. Oh well. I guess you will call me a racist. I am a Arkie. I deserve to be called that right?

Anyway. I'll trust Obama when I see him sit down and eat a big ole rack of bar-b-q pork ribs. If he really isn't a Muslim anymore he should be ready to eat some swine. If he refuses to partake of the swine he is a phony. IMO, that's a good way to test and see if he still follows Allah. And I'm being serious.
 

Turtle

Administrator
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Retired Expediter
Those of us who are actively engaged in the transportation industry, or have been, or those who have an interest in possibly getting into the business, all share some common ground based upon that aspect alone; therefore, a modicum of professional courtesy should be extended toward one another.
Professional courtesy in what manner? This is an open forum on a Web site, not a loading dock. Simple courtesy and civility is one thing, but I cannot see how professional courtesy plays a role here, other than in discussion regarding the profession itself.

Moreover, this simply an open forum and not an inquistion, or a senate committee hearing.:p

Whether it be an open forum, inquisition or a senate hearing, any and all statements are allowed to be questioned. That's how the world works, even online.

Yes, I expect folks to consider the context of my posts, but to attack me personally is an entirely different matter.

Who attacked you personally? Or more importantly, how were you personally attacked? Someone disagreeing with you is hardly the same as a personal attack.

For example, I know that akjarhead hails from Arkansas and although we may differ in our political views, I wouldn't be so bold as to refer to him as an Orval E. Faubus devotee or closet Klansman.

That's not an example. It's funny, though. Now I have the mental image of Orval Faubus in drag when he endorsed Jesse Jackson in the 1984 primaries. Oh, great, now I have the mental image of a jarhead in a dress.

Hopefully, you can see difference.

Sorry, I can't.

If my finger was going to be on the nuclear trigger, I would expect, and welcome, an intensive scrutiny of my beliefs, thoughts, aspirations, etc. Obviously I am not a candidate so there must another motive. Well, of course there is another motive. So, "What's your motive?"

I don't see anyone here scrutinizing your beliefs, thoughts or aspirations.

When you interject the Gospel of Jesus Christ within the context of your posts, as I often do, the truth of the Gospel pricks the heart. It matters not whether you believe. or whether you do not believe...the effect is still the same.

Except here. Here is where I scrutinize your beliefs, thoughts and aspirations. All too often when you interject the Gospel of Jesus Christ in your posts it's out of place in and inappropriate for this venue. The paragraph above is particularly out of place. You state, quite uncategorically, that the "truth of the Gospel" pricks the heart, whether or not you believe. That's patently absurd. For one, that assumes the Gospel is truth. Not only that, it assumes that everyone believes it to be truth. It's not. It's a belief. It's your belief. An that's fine. But, just because you believe it to be true does not make it so. Two, just because someone disagrees with you does not mean they are attacking you, God or your religion. No, the effect is not still the same. The truth of the Gospel can only prick the heart if you assume the Gospel to be true, literal and absolute. Just 33% of the world's population is Christian, and even it is highly fragmented. The other 67% of the population is something else. World Religions Ranked by Number of Adherents

If you want to use the "truth of the Gospel" as the basis for making your case, you have no case. You cannot twist the Word of God to mean, "Because I say so," and that's what you're doing. People will resist that, and it is not the same as the Gospel pricking the heart.

The Apostle Paul was bold and told the Jews that they had just crucified the Messiah they had been waiting for for so long. Ouch! Some were moved to realize their error, but most sought to simply eliminate Paul. You know, "Kill the messenger."

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Although I do not believe that such intensive introspection is warranted, simply because I am just an animated dirt ball that was fashioned from clay, I have come to expect such.

Great example of the out-of-context misuse of the Word of God for one's own purposes. The above two quotes have nothing to do with scrutiny or introspection regarding these posts. Nothing whatsoever. Nobody got crucified here, and nobody has to repent (Acts 2:38) for anything here.

2 Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

Do you really believe you're being persecuted because of your faith? Really? Really?!?! That's rich. An emotional, semi-rational tirade about Obama and guilt by association, the fear of the unknown, that is what people are questioning, not your faith. Personally, I'm straight up questioning the possibility of a blatant hatred of those who may have (not even have, but may have) a faith other than the "right" faith. That's how Islamic Fundamentalists think.

In closing, I'm truly sorry that you see my comments here as a personal attack, as they are not. This is simply a dialog and a questioning of your assertions, thoughts and opinions. I'm also truly sorry if you feel that your particular assertions, thoughts and opinions should be beyond the scrutiny and questions of others. The fact that you can cut and paste Bible versus (i.e., the words of others) does not remove you from scrutiny, be it here in these forums or in the media while running for public office.
 
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Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
I know I'm going to make some mad, and some will have something against what I'm about to say. Oh well. I guess you will call me a racist. I am a Arkie. I deserve to be called that right?

Anyway. I'll trust Obama when I see him sit down and eat a big ole rack of bar-b-q pork ribs. If he really isn't a Muslim anymore he should be ready to eat some swine. If he refuses to partake of the swine he is a phony. IMO, that's a good way to test and see if he still follows Allah. And I'm being serious.

That ain't racist. That's just good ol common sense. Let's find out the menu at Obama Campaign HQ.
 
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