Obama' Dream

davekc · Feb 10, 2013

whistler said:
A lot. I think this will be reduced under the current plan.

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Why would you think that with regards to healthcare? Rates have went up 10 to 30 percent this year alone under most plans. Wait until we have to cover the many that don't have coverage next year. Don't see any places that will make it cheaper.

mjmsprt40 · Feb 10, 2013

I suppose everybody is entitled to their own Obama dream...

whistler · Feb 10, 2013

Turtle said:
Well then, instead of saying, "Yeah Yeah, blah blah," it would probably be better to refute it if you can. That sort of thing can move productive and thought provoking discussions along far better than the equivalent of "talk to the hand" will.

Oh, OK. You had me confused when you stated, "...excluding the Middle East, most people of the world enjoy freedom of speech," which I refuted, and then you came back in response a link to the UNUDHR as justification for your statement.

As for the question to Layout about what problems he has with the UNUDHR, I agree with him completely - it's a worthless piece of paper. Most countries who signed that declaration did so and immediately went right back home and continued things as normal, as if the declaration never happened. The few countries who altered existing laws to acknowledge the declaration did so while at the same time enacting new laws to allow them to get around the declaration in any way they see fit. The declaration didn't change a thing.

Clearly you did not read what I actually said about the declaration. It reflects how I feel. That is all I am saying. The UN is chocked full of meaningless protocols that have never been ratified. Knowing this does not change how I feel. I'm a Liberal ya know. We feel things.

LDB · Feb 10, 2013

whistler said:
I'm a Liberal ya know. We feel things.

This is important for you guys to remember when replying. While you guys are busy thinking the liberals are busy feeling.

xiggi · Feb 10, 2013

To bad feelings don't balance a budget.

Sent from my Fisher Price - ABC 123

layoutshooter · Feb 11, 2013

"I'm a Liberal ya know. We feel things."

I believe you sound a lot like Obama who is an ultra-conservative. VERY different and very much opposed to the liberal ideas that this nation was founded on.

The problem with legislating on "feelings" is that "feelings" are based on NOTHING. Legislation, regulation etc should ALWAYS and ONLY be based on sound reasoning and science. "Feel good" legislation never works and normally causes FAR more problems that it fixes.

Humble2drive · Feb 11, 2013

layoutshooter said:
The problem with legislating on "feelings" is that "feelings" are based on NOTHING.

Actually, YOUR feelings are what guide everything you post here on EO. This means your opinions are based on nothing?

"Thoughts are the shadows of our feelings- always darker, emptier, and simpler."
Friedrich Nietzsche

layoutshooter · Feb 11, 2013

Humble2drive said:
Actually, YOUR feelings are what guide everything you post here on EO. This means your opinions are based on nothing?

Nope you are 100% dead wrong. ALL of my posts, while often passionate, are not based on my feelings. Since you don't know me, nor have every even met me that I know of, I can see where you could come up with such an incorrect assumption.

ALL of my beliefs and opinions are based on my life experiences, my education, both formal and informal. I do my best to study the issues. Just because one truly believes in a particular thing and is not afraid to voice an opinion, even a passionate one, does not mean there are only feelings behind it.

Humble2drive · Feb 11, 2013

layoutshooter said:
Nope you are 100% dead wrong. ALL of my posts, while often passionate, are not based on my feelings. Since you don't know me, nor have every even met me that I know of, I can see where you could come up with such an incorrect assumption.

ALL of my beliefs and opinions are based on my life experiences, my education, both formal and informal. I do my best to study the issues. Just because one truly believes in a particular thing and is not afraid to voice an opinion, even a passionate one, does not mean there are only feelings behind it.

Never mind. Looks like I strayed too far out of the shallow end of the pool this time. My bad.*