Obama' Dream

muttly

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Let's see the evidence of Obama wanting to eliminate the second amendment. Such rubbish. Do they teach such things at the Ringling Bros. Barnum and Bailey clown college?

Hey Whistler is back after a brief absence. It is as if you never left.
 
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LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Truth be told I have very little respect for the US Constitution. It was written without any respect toward Women or Blacks by a bunch of drunken, syphilis infested, slave owning ego maniacs.. It is outdated, archaic, and almost obsolete. A new day is coming my friend. Hug your gun tight.

Feel free to pack up and leave, or even just leave, for Cuba or Somalia or Laos or anywhere else you'll be happier and more comfortable since you don't like what you find here.
 

xiggi

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Truth be told I have very little respect for the US Constitution. It was written without any respect toward Women or Blacks by a bunch of drunken, syphilis infested, slave owning ego maniacs.. It is outdated, archaic, and almost obsolete. A new day is coming my friend. Hug your gun tight.

Honestly sounds like you dont have much respect yourself.

Sent from my Fisher Price - ABC 123
 

whistler

Active Expediter
Feel free to pack up and leave, or even just leave, for Cuba or Somalia or Laos or anywhere else you'll be happier and more comfortable since you don't like what you find here.

Just the typical tired clichet' I would expect. I am not going anywhere. I am here for duration. Change is coming. I suggest you should leave if you don't like what is about to crest on our shores. You are the outcast. Not me. Your indignation is misplaced. Look around.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
What LOS is putting forth as fact is not simply a belief. It is a lie. He quoted a story about a Russian opposition leader and then stated, not opined, that President Obama is determined to do the same thing.
Actually, that's not too dissimilar to someone lumping each and every Founding Father into a group called "a bunch" and then stating, as fact, that all of them were drunken, syphilis infested, slave owning ego maniacs, except the former is a wild-haired belief about the future from someone who truly can't see any differences between the US today and the Soviet Union, and the latter is a blatant lie of historical fact.

Incidentally, the Constitution is outdated, archaic, and almost obsolete only in the context of those who wish to do away with or ignore it. To everyone else it more or less accurately describes, by definition, the fundamental political principles on which the state is governed, especially when considered as embodying the rights of the subjects of the state.
 

Turtle

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Retired Expediter
Of course I believe in the first amendment but it is only one right. At the time it was important but in this day and age, excluding the Middle East, most people of the world enjoy freedom of speech.
Well, except for "hate speech" and pretty much anything that anyone finds offensive. Everyone is so sensitive these days.

As for most people of the world save the Middle East enjoying the freedom of speech, you really need to do some homework on that one.

There is no clear correlation between legal and constitutional guarantees of freedom of speech and actual practices among Asian nations. Freedom of speech is non-existent in Myanmar, North Korea and most Central Asian Republics. Free speech is either non-existent or inconsistently applied in almost every country on the African continent. In Pakistan, Malaysia and others, you have free speech, as long as it doesn't blaspheme Islam or in any way be speech that the Prophet Muhammad would disapprove.

The Peoples Republic of China.

In South Korea you can say whatever you want, as long as it's not favorable to North Korea or communism. In Thailand the government restricts freedom of expression to preserve national security, maintain public order, preserve the rights of others, protect public morals, and prevent insults to Buddhism. It is a crime to insult or criticize any member of Thailand royalty. Ireland, Italy and Malta you have freedom of speech, as long as it doesn't disparage the Catholic Church in any way. In Greece it's the same, except it's any and all religions recognized by the state. You also can't insult the President of Greece, even in humor.

In Brazil you can say whatever you want, however you cannot remain anonymous while you say it. From the Brazilian Constitution, "the expression of thought is free, anonymity being forbidden." Get caught publishing something or posting to the Internet under a pseudonym (like the screen names here on EO, for example), and you're in deep trouble.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Just the typical tired clichet' I would expect. I am not going anywhere. I am here for duration. Change is coming. I suggest you should leave if you don't like what is about to crest on our shores. You are the outcast. Not me. Your indignation is misplaced. Look around.

You mean Civil War II when those intent on abolishing the Constitution finally go too far and either live free elsewhere or die here like all good enemies both foreign and domestic?
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Just the typical tired clichet' I would expect. I am not going anywhere. I am here for duration. Change is coming. I suggest you should leave if you don't like what is about to crest on our shores. You are the outcast. Not me. Your indignation is misplaced. Look around.

What is this "change" you see coming? I hope it has nothing to do with "hope and change". We see how well that has been working. :cool:

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whistler

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Well, except for "hate speech" and pretty much anything that anyone finds offensive. Everyone is so sensitive these days.

As for most people of the world save the Middle East enjoying the freedom of speech, you really need to do some homework on that one.

There is no clear correlation between legal and constitutional guarantees of freedom of speech and actual practices among Asian nations. Freedom of speech is non-existent in Myanmar, North Korea and most Central Asian Republics. Free speech is either non-existent or inconsistently applied in almost every country on the African continent. In Pakistan, Malaysia and others, you have free speech, as long as it doesn't blaspheme Islam or in any way be speech that the Prophet Muhammad would disapprove.

The Peoples Republic of China.

In South Korea you can say whatever you want, as long as it's not favorable to North Korea or communism. In Thailand the government restricts freedom of expression to preserve national security, maintain public order, preserve the rights of others, protect public morals, and prevent insults to Buddhism. It is a crime to insult or criticize any member of Thailand royalty. Ireland, Italy and Malta you have freedom of speech, as long as it doesn't disparage the Catholic Church in any way. In Greece it's the same, except it's any and all religions recognized by the state. You also can't insult the President of Greece, even in humor.

In Brazil you can say whatever you want, however you cannot remain anonymous while you say it. From the Brazilian Constitution, "the expression of thought is free, anonymity being forbidden." Get caught publishing something or posting to the Internet under a pseudonym (like the screen names here on EO, for example), and you're in deep trouble.

Yeah Yeah, blah blah... First let me compliment your ability to successfully execute a Google search. Secondly, The Universal Declaration of Human Rights is far more inclusive and far more represents what I believe in.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights
 

whistler

Active Expediter
You mean Civil War II when those intent on abolishing the Constitution finally go too far and either live free elsewhere or die here like all good enemies both foreign and domestic?

No, that's not what I mean at all. First off, the idea of a second Civil War is ridiculous. There are nowhere near enough citizens willing to take up arms against the Government or anyone else. I am talking about democracy in action, whether it be representative or individual. The people will get what the people want. What I am saying is that what the people want is more progressive and less repressive than what you want.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
The U.N.? Talk about corruption. They are a joke. They have done such a GREAT job in places like Korea etc. I LOVE their attempts to usurp our rights with the small arms treaty. What business is it of their's, or any government for that matter, what I may or may not own? Maybe the can sell some more oil for food or something. That is one mess that needs cleaned out, even more that our own government.
 

whistler

Active Expediter
The U.N.? Talk about corruption. They are a joke. They have done such a GREAT job in places like Korea etc. I LOVE their attempts to usurp our rights with the small arms treaty. What business is it of their's, or any government for that matter, what I may or may not own? Maybe the can sell some more oil for food or something. That is one mess that needs cleaned out, even more that our own government.

Ok. So then you are willing to go on record as saying you do not support the Universal Declaration of Human Rights... correct?
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
No, that's not what I mean at all. First off, the idea of a second Civil War is ridiculous. There are nowhere near enough citizens willing to take up arms against the Government or anyone else. I am talking about democracy in action, whether it be representative or individual. The people will get what the people want. What I am saying is that what the people want is more progressive and less repressive than what you want.[/QUOTE

Explain please how what Obama and Co. want is LESS REPRESSIVE? Massive government regulations. Infringement of basic human rights as policy and being FORCE to buy a product or service that one my neither want or need?

Obama, and the government in general, is ultra conservative in the historical sense. Far closer to the ideas of the monarchy that we over threw in 1776.

He wants big government, from the top down, no state or individual rights, unless the federal government grants them.

His tax policy reeks of redistribution of wealth, which breeches the basic right of ownership of private property, which wages are. Kinda even breeches that line in the "Rights" thing you posted from the U.N. How can I be "allowed" to own property if a government can take from me and give it to someone else?

IF the People want, use your idea of gun control for example, why not do it in a legal, honest manner? Drop the lies about firearms, stop the exploitation of crime victims, and amend the Constitution? Think it would pass? I don't.
 

skyraider

Veteran Expediter
US Navy
Obamas dream. Just substitute these words, " The night they drove America down" in the song.


 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
No, that's not what I mean at all. First off, the idea of a second Civil War is ridiculous. There are nowhere near enough citizens willing to take up arms against the Government or anyone else. I am talking about democracy in action, whether it be representative or individual. The people will get what the people want. What I am saying is that what the people want is more progressive and less repressive than what you want.

There doesn't need to be millions of citizens fighting the government. A few dozen taking out the loudest mouthed most annoying will work and there are certainly more than a few dozen who are sick of hearing loud mouthed blabber from people who should just move to Korea or Somalia or Tibet or wherever either the U.N. are deified or peaceful meditation reigns or whatever suits them. Rather than attempting to ruin our country they should just go elsewhere that's already ruined.
 

whistler

Active Expediter
His tax policy reeks of redistribution of wealth, which breeches the basic right of ownership of private property, which wages are. Kinda even breeches that line in the "Rights" thing you posted from the U.N. How can I be "allowed" to own property if a government can take from me and give it to someone else?

Is this your answer?




IF the People want, use your idea of gun control for example, why not do it in a legal, honest manner? Drop the lies about firearms, stop the exploitation of crime victims, and amend the Constitution? Think it would pass? I don't.

My idea of gun control? As I mentioned earlier I do not have an ideas about gun control. Guns are not important to me. In my mind the second amendment is not directly related to the issues being put forth today in the gun debate.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Obama's government, the government of the United States is repressive and becoming more so. NOTHING that is being done enhances freedom, they are only taking it away.

It is nothing new, it has been going on since Lincoln started his war on states rights. It is just accelerating now. All the pieces for the coup are in place.


FINE, forget gun control, for now. It would seem you know little about it.

Use health care then. IF it such a good idea, why was force needed to implement it? Seems to me that IF it were a good idea most people would JUMP on it with rings on their fingers and bells on their toes. I wonder if THAT was put up as an amendment, as it should have been, if it would have passed, I doubt that too.

Why is it that you like a large, overseeing federal government? I don't understand? Why do you feel that things like redistribution of wealth is good idea? How does redistribution NOT infringe on my right to own private property, which wages are? Explain please.
 
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