Obama Didn't Win - ROMNEY LOST!
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cubansammich
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Certainly! It is the true pursuit of the following:
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
Sound familiar? It got lost somewhere along the way. Good news though. What's old is new again!
Actually i think many republicans were tired of what they still see as conservative views of our candidates. Others see it as you say. We don't embrace the fastest growing voter block in the nation which also hurts. The country is changing and like it or not the republicans are slow to react. We are splintering our party into little groups with huge differences.
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I would say we have and continue to stray from anything you mentioned in that quote.
cubansammich
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That's ok. Tomato tomato.
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
Perhaps the Occupy Wall St "movement". But don't forget the election results of 2010 - liberalism was totally rejected after two years of complete Democrat control by their liberals in the White House, Senate and House. The big picture shows no "movement" towards the acceptance the European socialism that Obama espouses. Looks like we have 30 maybe 31 Republican governors right now. The trick is to nominate good conservative candidates like Ted Cruz or Mike Pence - not the radical nut cases like we saw defeated in MO and IN. With that in mind, it is a bit ironic that a radically liberal goofball gets elected to the Senate in Mass over the moderate Republian incumbant - but that hardly constitutes a "movement".
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
That is funny, tho. A Republican crackpot is a national travesty, who needs to be ousted immediately; but a Democrat crazy is just "Oh, that xxx. Gotta love him/her." Look at Biden, for christsake. Stark. Maxine Waters. Barney Franks. Conyers. Reid. Chock full of nuts.
cubansammich
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Did you learn it thru Schoolhouse Rock too?
Could be. Not sure about that but it's a good question. I did learn how a bill becomes a law through school house rock. They really should bring that back.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Yeah, well ... you might wanna hold on to that thought really tightly ... and never, ever forget ...
I have a feeling - unless something really changes - you'll be needing to revisit it quite often in the coming years to contain the bubbling rage, calm your increasingly fraying nerves, and that ever-present queasiness in your stomach ... with frequent trips down the memory lane "memory hole" ...
What has been totally repudiated in this election is extremist tea-bagger wing-nut-ism ... I suspect that will be a rather permanent condition within a majority of the electorate ... at least for the foreseeable future ...
The performance of the GOP in this election was a complete travesty - for what ought to be fairly obvious reasons - I'd suggest you and brethren own it.
The last several days have been a complete chuckle - with the folks over on MSNBC dissecting (quite accurately in fact) the problems within GOP that delivered these disastrous results ... while over in "Bubble World" at Fox News, the "usual suspects" are indulging in prolific and incessant navel-gazing and sparing no effort to deny what ought to be fairly obvious to anyone who isn't guzzling the wing-nut koolaid ...
One doesn't have to like these people, over there at MSNBC, or agree with them politically in terms of fundamental philosophy ... but one would be a complete and utter fool to ignore what they are observing and saying ...
Instead, you offer us chucklehead Jeffery Lord's "analysis" ... "Hey ... let's move even further right !" ... which only serves as justification (and self-validation) for the extremist positions extant in the party ...
... what a frickin' hoot ...
Here's a newsflash for ya Ace: This year - after 30+ plus years as a Republican (and a voting record to prove it) - the corruption, stupidity and general insanity in the party (that certain un-named invividuals on this board represent) caused me to walk ...
Personally, I voted a straight Democratic ticket this time around, with two exceptions - the sole Libertarian on my ballot (other than Gary Johnson) who was running for Senator, and a Republican for County Executive - who, of course I knew would lose - so wasn't particularly disturbed when I mistakenly marked his circle.
I voted for more "D" candidates than I have in the last 30 years (probably a factor of 10), all in the short space of 5 minutes ...
I am not a gimme-goober, I don't "get" anything from the government, and mostly what I want from it is to just leave me the **** alone.
Since the GOP had already bent over and so conveniently spread it's cheeks, I decided to take the opportunity to essentially take a nice splintery telephone pole and jam it straight up the GOP's *** ... to repudiate what I have mentioned here recently (along with a number of other things which I probably haven't)
I can tell you I'm not alone.
If anyone thinks that anything J. Lord is selling will bring me back to the Party's tender embraces, I'd suggest that they quit smoking whatever sort of wacki-weed they're huffin' ...
That may well be true (leaving aside the validity of the premise of what Obama actually espouses) - although a different case could easily be made if one looks at the final popular vote totals ...
In any event, here's a prediction you can take to the bank - the "R" tally for governorships will decrease by at least two in their next election cycles: neither Florida Governor Rick Scott nor Ohio Governor John Kaisich will be able to obtain a second term should they be foolish enough to attempt to run for re-election. The loss of the governorship of Pennsylvania remains a definite possibility as well.
Also in Ohio, the Secretary of State's office will be lost by the R's as well. It's current "R" occupant is about to get slapped silly for his shenanigans by a Federal judge this coming Monday:
Federal Judge on Ohio's Ballot Order: 'Democracy Dies in the Dark'
Expect the "blowback" from minority voter suppression efforts to be widespread - good people, regardless of political affliation, won't stand for that kinda crap, not in this day and age .... although wing-nuts, ones in which the "Obama hate" is particularly strong, will probably cheer it on with a wink and a nudge ...
The problem with that, is that the diversity of gene pool in the Republican Party is rapidly dwindling, due to inter-breeding ... it is increasingly populated with nut-cases who embrace extremist rhetoric ... and apparently substantial portions of the Party support them (evidenced by the fact that Akin, Walsh, Mourdock, and Allen West became their Party's nominees)
The right wing-nut's require of a steady diet of a particular type of red meat which is highly repugnant to those who aren't right wing-nuts ...
As long as that continues to be the case, the reality of eventual death as a consequence of life and the Grim Reaper of demographics will continue to decimate the Party membership rolls.
The portion of whites as a percent of population will continue to slide, while the average age of a Republican Party member will continue to rise ... expect both factors to cause a Catch-22 acceleration of the decline in party membership ...
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RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Reality or delusion (with accompanying irrelevance) - your choice GOP'ers:
Did William Kristol Cost Romney the Election?
Did William Kristol Cost Romney the Election?
Humble2drive
Expert Expediter
That is if the republicans are unable to adapt and change.
Are you referring to the 47 percent of Americans who pay no income tax?
That is much different from being tied to entitlements. Retirees, wealthy and working class poor often pay no income tax. This was all made clear after Romney comments became public.
Perhaps you are referring to the estimated 50% of Americans who receive entitlements? This includes*Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, children’s health insurance, food stamps, school lunch programs, welfare, unemployment insurance, the Child Tax Credit and the Earned Income Tax Credit.
Some of those are paid into by the recipients and some are temporary. They existed when Bush was elected then increased due to an increase in retirees and the recession. It might be a bit premature and simplistic to blame the Republican loss on that and refer to things like Social Security as "candy".
This is the kind of head in the sand, dinosaur old white fart thinking that is fooling the conservative old school guards.
Abortion and gay issues don't poll accurately because many people live in the closet on both issues. The number of voters swayed by these issues could easily be vastly underestimated and this shouldn't be blown off any longer.
When conservatives with blinders on shake their heads in amazement that Obama won and then write it off with simplistic thoughts that voters want more "stuff" or that voters are just morons they are doing a disservice to their party by not taking an honest and thorough look at all factors.
Think about it.
While admitted "Pro Choice" supporters are estimated in the 40+ percentile range. The population of voters who are unwilling to vote in favor of outlawing abortion is much greater and near impossible to estimate. Many of those who wear the label Pro Life have had an abortion or know a friend or loved one who has. While they support Pro Life, it is incorrect in many cases to assume that they favor strict laws without exceptions such as suggested in the Republican Party platform.
So a large majority—77 percent—of Americans support abortion being legal in all or "certain circumstances," and just 20 percent of Americans are actually "pro-life" in the sense that opponents of legalized abortion understand the term.
Many "Pro-Life" Americans Don't Want to Outlaw Abortion | Mother Jones.
Also, attempts to quantify the percentage of Americans who vote in favor of *gay rights could be the most difficult segment to estimate.
Conservative estimates like to put the percentage of Americans that admit to being gay at around 4% of the population.*That is 12.5 million Americans.
When you consider the number of closeted gays who don't respond along with gay sympathizers (friends, family, etc.) the number of people willing to vote in favor of gay rights could conceivable double or triple that.
Please consider this:
Is the conservative strategy of pandering to the religious right for their vote paying off in enough votes to justify *alienating the millions of supporters that vote against the anti gay and abortion laws?
What if conservatives dropped these 2 issues from their platform? Would the religious voters leave the party? Where would they go?
Just saying. Any conversation regarding a "serious makeover" of the Republican party better give some long hard thought to social issues.
Or maybe not.
Entitlements are really two seperate issues. Social security in which people paid in to it are certainly entitled to it. The problem comes when their costs outweigh what they have put in. Simple math. That is why it is basically broke. Other entitlements that were designed for short term use, have become a way of life. Again....no money.
I don't think abortion or gay rights is enough to turn an election. There is nothing that even suggests that. With 43M on welfare, how many do you think were Romney supporters?
That should answer your question.
But I do agree they could garner some more support by not addressing those issues, but based on the spread from the last election, doesn't look like it would have mattered.
I don't think abortion or gay rights is enough to turn an election. There is nothing that even suggests that. With 43M on welfare, how many do you think were Romney supporters?
That should answer your question.
But I do agree they could garner some more support by not addressing those issues, but based on the spread from the last election, doesn't look like it would have mattered.
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Humble2drive
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I have repeated that 10 times and it still doesn't make sense.
I believe there was a 3 million vote difference in the popular vote for President and many state races were very close.
How do you blow off 40% of the population that is pro choice and 12 to 36 million voters who do not support a ban on gay marriage??
So ignore those statistics and go with the Fox News conclusion that 43 million Americans have absolutely no dreams or aspirations to improve themselves and that is the simple answer?
Well, lets see how that works out.
First off, not all American's are registered to vote. A large percentage of registered voters did not vote. The president, as always, is elected by a rather small minority of the population. (I know, the electorial college elects the president) Then there are some counties that Obama got 108% of the vote. Not bad.
Voter Fraud: Obama Won %108 of Registered Voters in Ohio County
Voter Fraud: Obama Won %108 of Registered Voters in Ohio County
Humble2drive
Expert Expediter
Correct.
Population 316 million
Eligible voters 207 million
Actual voters 110 million
110 million voters less 40% (pro choice) leaves 66 million. Not to mention the gay votes.
Best not to ignore these numbers!
Much rather see these 2 social issues kicked to the states and leave the big important issues like the economy and foreign affairs as the deciding factors for a President.
ALL social issues are State issues. The Federal government has NO business interfering in States Rights. That INCLUDES all forms of welfare, health care etc etc. The Federal government is very much out of control.
It is likely that there is increasing amounts of voter fraud.
What a surprise. People should be going to prison over this. Those involved should permanently lose their right to vote as well.
Nothing will be done at all. The Demoncrats are responsible for it. The Rumbumlicans don't care. Both parties win by gaining more power over the People. That is the goal of BOTH parties. There is not a nickles worth of difference between them. The Rumbumlicans "opposition" is all for show.