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[xiggi]

It is an entry level job but you can't sell any job short . Work at a fast food place can teach a young person customer service, teamwork,responsibility, budgeting and more. Its up to the individual to use it as a learning tool imho.

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[layoutshooter]

It is an entry level job but you can't sell any job short . Work at a fast food place can teach a young person customer service, teamwork,responsibility, budgeting and more. Its up to the individual to use it as a learning tool imho.

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That is what entry level jobs are for. One can use them to their advantage or, as many seem to do these days, try to earn a career wage for an entry level position. Which is what the article was about.

I would NEVER try to talk a KID out of starting out there. I would not even try to stop a kid from trying to own a place of their own. To have no more ambition that to be a life time flipper, have kids with an entry level job, then "strike" to get bailed out, is just sad. It is also out of touch with the realities of economics.

 

[Humble2drive]

I also don't look at becoming a multi-millionaire the ONLY goal in life. There are many who make much less, like nurses, or firefighters who do important work and never become rich. They are not flippers either.

Exactly, that is why I qualified my statement as the "dumbest FINANCIAL decision"
I then enlisted in the Air Force and have lived life as one adventure after another and have no regrets.
Uhmm, okay, make that "few regrets"

 

[layoutshooter]

Exactly, that is why I qualified my statement as the "dumbest FINANCIAL decision"
I then enlisted in the Air Force and have lived life as one adventure after another and have no regrets.
Uhmm, okay, make that "few regrets"

I got it. I enlisted at 19, was about a week away from getting drafted. Made a 20 year career out of that move. It also led me into firefighting and EMT work, a life of adventures, one right after the other. As to "financial decisions", not my strong suite!! BUT, unless my memory fails I have RICH memories to carry me to my end. Still making more too! One cool thing after another. No point in stopping now!

 

[Opel2010]

The value menu would be 5 bucks an item. Real cost to the employer would probably be 25 an hour.

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I don't do fast food restaurants, but one day my wife asked me to stop at burger king and we ordered the value meal for both of us plus a sundae for her. I paid over $20. Another time my son wanted I don't know what kind of meal from Wendy's, and again I paid over $10 just for his meal. So, since they apply such a huge price for an unhealthy meal, I don't see why the workers shouldn't be paid more.

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[layoutshooter]

I don't do fast food restaurants, but one day my wife asked me to stop at burger king and we ordered the value meal for both of us plus a sundae for her. I paid over $20. Another time my son wanted I don't know what kind of meal from Wendy's, and again I paid over $10 just for his meal. So, since they apply such a huge price for an unhealthy meal, I don't see why the workers shouldn't be paid more.

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Do you know what their margins are? How much is costs them to put that meal on the counter when you order? Whether the meal is healthy or not is not relevant ot that. Keep in mind that it would not be JUST $15 per hour, per employee. Employers pay SS tax on those people. As Xggi stated in an earlier post, that $15 would be closer to $25. Think prices are high now? Just think what they would be if you DOUBLED the wage.

It costs a lot of money to run a retail operation. If the owner cannot make a profit, which is how he/she/it feeds THEIR family, they will shut down. Then there will not be that entry level position there at any wage.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Well $10.50 minimum wAge in Ont.

 

[billg27]

Yea Ken. But look at their prices compared to ours. Much higher priced! But, their still busy!

Slim margins? I know 2 different Mc Donald's owners. Both expanded into multiple store locations. They live in houses and drive cars that few of us could ever afford. Don't feel too sorry for the O/O of a Mc D's. They're doing very well. I believe they could pay more, maybe not $15 but better then they pay now.

 

[layoutshooter]

Yea Ken. But look at their prices compared to ours. Much higher priced! But, their still busy!

Slim margins? I know 2 different Mc Donald's owners. Both expanded into multiple store locations. They live in houses and drive cars that few of us could ever afford. Don't feel too sorry for the O/O of a Mc D's. They're doing very well. I believe they could pay more, maybe not $15 but better then they pay now.

I would love to know what their margins are. I bet it is a LOT higher than most would guess at. They also earned their success. They took the risk, put out the invested their money, put in the long hours. They CHOOSE not to stay in the "flipper" position.

I don't know what they could pay, how much reward is too much for their effort? How much is too much for not putting forth any effort to improve your own standing in life?

 

[layoutshooter]

Well $10.50 minimum wAge in Ont.

Government has NO business in business, that includes requiring that an employer pay a certain wage, whether it is worth it or not. Another wonderful leftist idea. It is designed to hold people back, it does, it's working. There should be no minimum, or maximum, wage.

 

[purgoose10]

Yea Ken. But look at their prices compared to ours. Much higher priced! But, their still busy!

Slim margins? I know 2 different Mc Donald's owners. Both expanded into multiple store locations. They live in houses and drive cars that few of us could ever afford. Don't feel too sorry for the O/O of a Mc D's. They're doing very well. I believe they could pay more, maybe not $15 but better then they pay now.

I also know a couple who own 5 McDonalds and 1 sea food franchise. They live well and drive very nice autos, but what people don't realize it take a Million dollars to buy and build a franchise. A million dollars nowa days can bring great returns just sitting back and playing a the stocks, so why shouldn't they get a great return on their dollars for keeping up with employees who nowadays could care less about anything but themselves? Managers do very well and their margins are good and why shouldn't they be. If most of those employees on the bottom tear would change their attitudes and put forth some effort and maybe go for a management position then this country would more than likely get it. Nothing like waiting in line for anything these days (food or else) and having to wait for the cashier to finish their phone call. I worked at the second McDonalds ever built in DesPlanes Il. Worked for the summer waiting on the draft. Had a great time since everyone else that worked there were classmates. Hamburgers were 15c and fries a dime. Man those were the days. Anyway most of those protesting for 15 bucks an hour aren't worth the time of day much less that much an hour.

One more thing to add. You would be blown away how much it costs for Insurance to operate one of those places. Everyone see's the Caution Wet Floors. Well that's there because people love to slip and fall. W/Out that sign, Insurance can opt out of a claim. Takes a lot of hamburgers to cover one of those.

 

[LDB]

Maybe we need to look at a bigger picture. Should walking in the door of mcd earn $15 from day one? No, not unless we're talking manager trainee maybe. "Hi, would you like a biggie fries with that?" shouldn't start at $15 in most cases. Maybe someone with prior management experience and hired specifically for potential management training. Maybe "Hi, would you like a biggie fries with that?" should make $15 after 2-3 years as well. But automatic $15 from day one? Insane, unless of course you're the recipient. If this passes I'll definitely rethink the whole "Hi, welcome to Walmart." career move.

 

[scottm4211]

I love all the feigned outrage from those who supposedly embrace the free market system. That market will pay them exactly what they're worth, just as it does for us in this field. Yet many on here cry daily about being underpaid and going broke. Hypocrisy is on the menu today.

 

[letzrockexpress]

Supply and demand drives the labor rate, just as it does in most aspects of free enterprise. If our economy was based on a socialistic central planning system with a board of truck drivers as the central planners then maybe what most of you say could be valid. If nobody is willing to work for what the current rate is then the rate will rise. It is as simple as that. You can see it in the level of quality not only in McDonald's but in most fast food restaurants. The pay is low. Quality conscious people want a better work environment and more money. If and when they are able to find it that leaves the "inferior" floaters in the labor pool for the employer to choose from. The results are what we see today: Sloppy dressed, neck tatooed, low IQ slugs, often felons, to prepare and hand out your order of food, often cold and incorrect. This is free enterprise in action. All I know is at 15.00 per hour the quality of the McDonald's experience is likely to rise ten fold.

 

[davekc]

Supply and demand drives the labor rate, just as it does in most aspects of free enterprise. If Quality conscious people want a better work environment and This is free enterprise in action. All I know is at 15.00 per hour the quality of the McDonald's experience is likely to rise ten fold.

No not really. Moving the pay to 15 dollars won't change the quality. Don't have to look farther than the auto industry to see those results. Higher pay doesn't necessarily translate to "higher quality".
I do agree though that supply and demand is what drives wages. McDonalds in San Francisco may have to pay 11 a hour to keep people. 7 or 8 dollars keeps people waiting in line for a job in Alabama.

 

[letzrockexpress]

No not really. Moving the pay to 15 dollars won't change the quality. Don't have to look farther than the auto industry to see those results. Higher pay doesn't necessarily translate to "higher quality".
I do agree though that supply and demand is what drives wages. McDonalds in San Francisco may have to pay 11 a hour to keep people. 7 or 8 dollars keeps people waiting in line for a job in Alabama.

I get what you mean about the auto industry but theoretically, if the wages go up, they will become attractive to more than simply the ilk working there now, hopefully those who have a little more ambition and sense of self worth..

 

[layoutshooter]

Supply and demand drives the labor rate, just as it does in most aspects of free enterprise. If our economy was based on a socialistic central planning system with a board of truck drivers as the central planners then maybe what most of you say could be valid. If nobody is willing to work for what the current rate is then the rate will rise. It is as simple as that. You can see it in the level of quality not only in McDonald's but in most fast food restaurants. The pay is low. Quality conscious people want a better work environment and more money. If and when they are able to find it that leaves the "inferior" floaters in the labor pool for the employer to choose from. The results are what we see today: Sloppy dressed, neck tatooed, low IQ slugs, often felons, to prepare and hand out your order of food, often cold and incorrect. This is free enterprise in action. All I know is at 15.00 per hour the quality of the McDonald's experience is likely to rise ten fold.

McDonald's today pays better than the minimum wage. When I worked there we were paid minimum. No tattoos, no felons, we had to wear a uniform and WORK every minute we were on the clock. We also took pride in ourselves. We were high school kids, just starting off in life and would have NEVER dreamed that the job we were in today was it for life.

It is not the wage, it is laziness, lack of pride, ambition and self respect that is the problem.

You see in our business. Filthy trucks, dirty clothes, "vertical smiles" and stinky. THAT is what I have seen at a zillionaires house where several trucks were moving art. VERY high paying load.

It's not the money.

When a person accepts a job they accept the wage for that job. They agree to WORK for that wage. IF you don't like the wage, change jobs. Don't have skills for a better job? GET THEM!

These people are owed NOTHING but what they agreed too.

No one said life is easy. It's not. Earn it or don't have it. NO ONE is OWED it.

 

[letzrockexpress]

McDonald's today pays better than the minimum wage. When I worked there we were paid minimum. No tattoos, no felons, we had to wear a uniform and WORK every minute we were on the clock. We also took pride in ourselves. We were high school kids, just starting off in life and would have NEVER dreamed that the job we were in today was it for life.

It is not the wage, it is laziness, lack of pride, ambition and self respect that is the problem.

You see in our business. Filthy trucks, dirty clothes, "vertical smiles" and stinky. THAT is what I have seen at a zillionaires house where several trucks were moving art. VERY high paying load.

It's not the money.

When a person accepts a job they accept the wage for that job. They agree to WORK for that wage. IF you don't like the wage, change jobs. Don't have skills for a better job? GET THEM!

These people are owed NOTHING but what they agreed too.

No one said life is easy. It's not. Earn it or don't have it. NO ONE is OWED it.

Look, I don't disagree with most of your points but there are only so many jobs to go around, especially in Detroit. I don't necessarily agree with the way these people went about trying get a better wage but what is somebody supposed to do if they can't find some other kind of job? It's a catch 22 for many of them: Work at Mickey D's or collect welfare. Thank God you and I don't have to make that kind of decision.

 

[layoutshooter]

Look, I don't disagree with most of your points but there are only so many jobs to go around, especially in Detroit. I don't necessarily agree with the way these people went about trying get a better wage but what is somebody supposed to do if they can't find some other kind of job? It's a catch 22 for many of them: Work at Mickey D's or collect welfare. Thank God you and I don't have to make that kind of decision.

They do what I did, my dad did, his parents did. They get off their lazy butts and MOVE to where they CAN find work! They don't accept that it is Mickey D's or welfare.

I DID have to make that decision. I made it. It was HARD to make it.

I got laid off, in Detroit, the same exact day we found out my wife was expecting our first son. I spend a LONG time getting a job, losing it, getting another, losing it. There was an oil embargo on and Detroit was dead. SO I moved the family to England. Used work skills I learned in the Army. Did I want too? NOPE! That is what MEN do.

Yeah, it's though. You may have to leave everything you know behind. You may have to step out of your "comfort zone", learn new skills, get dirty, even do dangerous work.

Don't even try to tell me it cannot be done, I did it. My Dad did at the end of the war. His parents and grandparents left the country they knew, moved here, learned a NEW language in a NEW country, survived a depression AND THRIVED!

There is an ENTIRE WORLD between Mickey D's and welfare.

It takes courage, ambition and a WILL to excel. Find those qualities or make $7.50 an hour at Mickey D's. It that is what you strive for that is all you will ever have.

Have some many in this country become that soft? Lazy and dependent?

 

[davekc]

Look, I don't disagree with most of your points but there are only so many jobs to go around, especially in Detroit. I don't necessarily agree with the way these people went about trying get a better wage but what is somebody supposed to do if they can't find some other kind of job? It's a catch 22 for many of them: Work at Mickey D's or collect welfare. Thank God you and I don't have to make that kind of decision.

I think most have the option to do something other than Mickey's or welfare. Most if poor can attend college or a trade school for next to nothing. In fact, most can collect welfare and a whole list of benefits while they are students. Plenty do it with kids, but sadly, it isn't the majority.
Additional monies can be saved by not purchasing X-boxes, big screens, name brand clothes, bling, gold teeth, tatoos, rims, $200 tennis shoes, $100 hoodies, and the list goes on.
When there is will, there is a way.