NRA calls for Armed Police and/or Armed Guards in all Schools

[muttly]

There is no perfect solution. The best compromise is a program that allows trained, qualified and tested individuals to be armed on school property. The problems with an armed guard at every school include but aren't limited to: the added financial burden to already bankrupt schools and more importantly anyone intent on causing mayhem at the school has only to eliminate one easily identifiable deterrent. In all probability Dylan and Klebold and others of similar intent would have been even more pleased with an opportunity to do what they did plus add in taking out one single triple bonus score target of opportunity to their game. Some of the others who massacre would feel the same way.

Now, in the situation of fully qualified, trained and tested individuals being allowed the option of possessing protection on a school campus, there could be anywhere from a few to several to a dozen or even a couple of dozen authorized individuals. Nobody would know how many individuals are authorized out of the entire campus of individuals. To attack a school someone would have to consider it possible that every adult on the premises is trained and qualified to stop them. They wouldn't be wearing an identifiable uniform following a set schedule and pattern of movement making themselves easily eliminated.

It isn't a perfect solution. It's just the best solution.

Right, I was thinking of the pros and cons of having an armed uniformed security person or an unidentified individual that is armed. The uniformed individual would give an obvious presence that the school is being protected. This might deter an deranged person or possibly give that person an additional "score". They would most likely want to take this person out first so as to be unencumbered with their assault. The flip side would be a "secret" person in the school who is armed so the perpetrator wouldn't know who has a gun. The assailant might however choose to assault a school that doesn't have a known obstacle like a uniformed armed person, because they might assume the school doesn't allow guns on the premises. I guess if I had to pick, I would choose the latter. Have at least one, armed person, or have a gun available, secured on the premise at all time.

 

[layoutshooter]

ONE of the problems of having ONE armed guard in each school is that it will take around 300,000 people to do that.

 

[LDB]

The benefit of the uniformed individual is the false sense of security it gives those who do not understand. What it also does is paint a large target for anyone intent on evil. I suspect that some, like the Columbine shooters and/or some others, would consider it an extra points bonus score and be glad of it. As far as security for the children, one single armed uniformed individual is better than nothing but not as good as a dozen motivated individuals scattered throughout the campus rather than one individual just out to earn a paycheck.

The benefit of the properly trained and tested incognito individuals is the strength of numbers plus the anonymity. No matter which entryway a shooter chooses he/she/they may be coming in just yards from someone capable and ready to put an end to their adventure. No matter where they go on campus they risk walking straight into someone ready to do the same.

It will never stop everyone but it certainly has more chance of stopping the video game crazies that prey on some schools.

 

[Rocketman]

Training children to be assassins? Most today are not even taught how to shoot in a positive manner let alone being trained as assassins. I don't understand what you mean.

Just my view of the video games. Obviously not everyone takes them to that extreme, but I personally feel that 90% of these mass shootings are people acting out the video games in real life. There are plenty of people who understand the difference between entertainment and real life, but the small number that can't separate the two are the ones who do these things.

They don't have to be trained assassins (as in...military trained), the training they get from these games is apparently enough.

 

[Rocketman]

ONE of the problems of having ONE armed guard in each school is that it will take around 300,000 people to do that.

The problem I see with ONE armed guard is... he might as well shoot himself, get it over with.

 

[layoutshooter]

Just my view of the video games. Obviously not everyone takes them to that extreme, but I personally feel that 90% of these mass shootings are people acting out the video games in real life. There are plenty of people who understand the difference between entertainment and real life, but the small number that can't separate the two are the ones who do these things.

They don't have to be trained assassins (as in...military trained), the training they get from these games is apparently enough.

I understand, many feel that way. By the way, the military does not train assassins, just soldiers.

I wonder if it is the content of the games as much as it is the game itself. I have always wondered that, in a young undeveloped brain, if the flashing lights etc have an affect on how that brain develops. Some how the input of the game messes up things.

 

[AMonger]

When 100% of AR type weapons are taking away from the police, the military of the US, and ALL armies of the earth, when 100% of ANY weapons are removed from scum sucking, drug smoking criminals, like Obama, I will give up mine. The police, military forces, criminals and Obama's of the world are the problem, Not I. The rest can kiss my grits!

Precisely. What people don't take into account is that the idea behind the 2A is that the people are to have small arms equal to the gummint. They have full auto, so we're entitled to it. When ray guns are invented, we get them if they get them.

 

[AMonger]

The problem I see with ONE armed guard is... he might as well shoot himself, get it over with.

Plenty of parents. Choose the responsible ones, keep at least 2 on duty at all times, then have at least 1 uniformed guard or cop. Some people are deterred by a uniformed presence. This is one of those few cases in which the phrase "If it stops just one..." is valid.

 

[layoutshooter]

There are around 99,000 school buildings. To have ONE cop on duty in each, at all times, will take around 300,000 cops. This is no one answer. It is NOT as simple as many with to make it.

 

[Rocketman]

There are around 99,000 school buildings. To have ONE cop on duty in each, at all times, will take around 300,000 cops. This is no one answer. It is NOT as simple as many with to make it.

That is my point on the guards. I agree that security is needed, but it is a daunting task.

 

[Rocketman]

Ok..I've said what I wanted to say. Please accept my apologies for participating in a Soapbox discussion......Carry on!

 

[layoutshooter]

Ok..I've said what I wanted to say. Please accept my apologies for participating in a Soapbox discussion......Carry on!

Everyone is welcome! Good posts.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Precisely. What people don't take into account is that the idea behind the 2A is that the people are to have small arms equal to the gummint. They have full auto, so we're entitled to it. When ray guns are invented, we get them if they get them.

Where does it say that?? Where is that intent invoked?

 

[layoutshooter]

You have to read the supporting documents. There is even US codes requiring gun ownership and even states how much ammunition is required to be produced.

Besides, government does not grant rights, nor can they take them away. They are our birthright.

 

[AMonger]

Where does it say that?? Where is that intent invoked?

The founding Fathers made clear what the 2A means. And since they were against a standing army, it would necessarily mean that citizens would have small arms of military utility.
Hey, aren't Canucks subjects instead of citizens?

 

[AMonger]

There are around 99,000 school buildings. To have ONE cop on duty in each, at all times, will take around 300,000 cops. This is no one answer. It is NOT as simple as many with to make it.

Cops OR uniformed guards, our some combination. You could also use existing cops. Some are on light duty. They can do that light duty in school hallways. Several different ways this can play out.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Canadians are citizens.... With its own constitution since 1967

 

[layoutshooter]

Cops OR uniformed guards, our some combination. You could also use existing cops. Some are on light duty. They can do that light duty in school hallways. Several different ways this can play out.

Putting ONE cop in each school, all 99,000 of them, would require about 300,000 cops. AT LEAST two per day in each school to cover all hours. Then you need coverage for special events, sickness etc. That would be using 50% of the total number of cops in the US to just do those schools.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

That is why allowing teachers to carry makes sense...,having a more intensive training of course

 

[aristotle]

Putting ONE cop in each school, all 99,000 of them, would require about 300,000 cops. AT LEAST two per day in each school to cover all hours. Then you need coverage for special events, sickness etc. That would be using 50% of the total number of cops in the US to just do those schools.

There isn't going to be anything like universal implementation of armed security at schools. I can see it gaining widespread approval in the South and Southwest. Places like Vermont, probably not.