Muslim in chief wants to eviscerate Israel

LDB

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If anyone had doubts before, today's speech should have removed all doubt. One of the very very few partial allies we have and he wants to do this to them. Allen West nailed it and him in his response. Obama is evil and with what we know now those who support him are evil also.
 

xiggi

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Obama is evil and with what we know now those who support him are evil also.

There you go again with crazy talk. You ever consider those who support him might have a different point of view than you, be less informed, could care less about foreign policy or a host of other things?

I am not fan of Obama at all but to say those who support him are evil is just one more in the pattern of extreme remarks you make on here without any real thought put into them.
 

dieseldiva

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I have some really wonderful relatives that support him and they're definitely not evil.....how absurd.:rolleyes:
 

LDB

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Pelosi, Reid, Biden etc etc etc etc. Those in his administration and government who support him and his decisions. We can include Soros and others who are not part of the administration, the Cabinet and other insiders as well as they are intelligent enough that they should know better. They are evil. Sorry if that is too tough for some of you but that's how it is.
 

moose

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normally I do not do this, and definitely wouldn't like it to becomes an international affairs threads,
makes no mistake, this is not about the Middle east, this is about our presidents

to clear the OP disappointment of the current occupant of the WH, all one needs to do is watch and see the middle east agenda we had in the WH only a short 3 years ago .

what GB did is simply repeated the congress and senate agreements from 2004 .

it's about 30 Min. long, but we can all learn from that speech:

YouTube - ‪Bush's speech for Knesset - Part 1‬‏
 

greg334

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Well Leo, not to bash you but I have to point out a few things that many seem to missed.

First off this has been talked about before, many many times before. It is a subject that not one president has reached this level of rhetoric nor has ever tried to move the process forward. In one way I have to agree with him in his point that something should be done but on the other hand understand that something drastic and controversial could trigger some positive action.

Second it is a very complicated situation, more so than anything else we have to deal with not because of Obama, but the true evil has been involved - the UN. I would like to point out that it is also very easy to speak of all of this without the knowledge of what the region is like, what lands we are actually talking about and what the real history is - not contrived right or left version. Remove the rhetoric from the US political position, either right or left and learn from both points of view.

Third Allen West, like a lot of others have their head up their a** by making comments like this;

"Today’s endorsement by President Barack Obama of the creation of a Hamas-led Palestinian state based on the pre-1967 borders, signals the most egregious foreign policy decision his administration has made to date, and could be the beginning of the end as we know it for the Jewish state," said West, R-Fla., one of the leading Tea Party thinkers in the House Republican freshman class," West said in a prepared statement.
To announce the end of Israel as a state is asinine. See here is the thing that he and others miss, they are a sovereign country and have made their own decisions regardless what others have tried to force them to do. They have said the old borders are undefensible and when you look at it in an objective and informed way, they are right. It has nothing to do with as Mr. West said "... would deny millions of the world’s Jews access to their holiest site ..." but rather trying to find another solution for a complicated thing.

He went on to say;

"In short, the Hamas-run Palestinian state envisioned by President Obama would be devastating to Israel and the world’s 13.3 million Jews. It would be a Pavlovian style reward to a declared Islamic terrorist organization, and an unacceptable policy initiative.
Another stupid statement.

But left out of that is we, under Bush went to aid the people of Gaza when Israel was kicking the crap out of them. WE demanded Israel to stop for humanitarian reasons and than handed Hamas money to help with the aid. We also through our state department under Rice, aided with investigations against Israel after the Gaza War.

You can't have it both ways, we have played both sides several times but if we want to see peace in the region, we have to stay out of it and demand that the EU and the UN does the same.
 

witness23

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Don't even try Greg, it is futile. Some are so blinded by party affiliation(both left and right) they can't think for themselves. That's one of the reasons why this country is in the shape it is in. The "wing-nuts" are trained to repeat the "right-wing" talking points to add fuel to the fire.
 

scottm4211

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Don't even try Greg, it is futile. Some are so blinded by party affiliation(both left and right) they can't think for themselves. That's one of the reasons why this country is in the shape it is in. The "wing-nuts" are trained to repeat the "right-wing" talking points to add fuel to the fire.

Post of the week.
 

greg334

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Don't even try Greg, it is futile. Some are so blinded by party affiliation(both left and right) they can't think for themselves. That's one of the reasons why this country is in the shape it is in. The "wing-nuts" are trained to repeat the "right-wing" talking points to add fuel to the fire.

I know it is at times but I got to try. I figure if one person stops and reads what I say (which most don't), and may just thinks a bit, they may wake up to regret taking that blue pill.
 

Pilgrim

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There are various opinions on the Middle East problems, but the Left always seems to ignore one undeniable fact of life - the Palestinians, lead by their terrorist organizations are rooted in the belief that Israel has no right to exist. This fundamental attitude is not going to change, in spite of the unrealistic plea from the liberals "why can't we all just get along?", especially if Israel is somehow forced to give up enough land. Then there's always the attitude from the media and others that the Conservatives are "radical", ignoring the dangerously naive attitudes of the radical left. (Side note - notice how we NEVER hear the "R" adjective used to describe liberals any more) Personally, I think Alan West is right on target considering his military experience and past activities of the Palestinians themselves. Other opinions also support this skepticism:

"We're not supposed to remember that the Arab states attacked Israel in 1967 (and again in 1973), betting they could crush the Jews and take the looted land. Instead they were themselves squashed like bugs. Their airmen were shot out of the skies and their soldiers, routed, threw away their shoes in the desert and ran in panic looking for somewhere to hide, like Mr. Lincoln's army fleeing Manassas. The losers have been demanding a mulligan ever since, and now Barack Obama has offered them one...

What some of the rest of us can do is state frankly what everyone also knows, that "the international community" is now joined openly -- for the first time -- by an American president who will try to force Israel to accept surrender on Palestinian terms. The Arabs would get what they want, a better stage to launch rockets and invasions, and give up only cheap promises that no one would expect them to keep."

Wesley Pruden

To make a speech like this the day before his meeting with the Israeli Prime Minister is just adding insult to injury. These kinds of actions simply reinforce Barack Hussein Obama's incompetence in foreign policy and his prejudices favoring muslims. Hopefully, Netanyahu will find an adult in the White House during his visit that understands the value of Israel as an ally - it's obvious the boy president does not.
 

Pilgrim

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Don't even try Greg, it is futile. Some are so blinded by party affiliation(both left and right) they can't think for themselves. That's one of the reasons why this country is in the shape it is in. The "wing-nuts" are trained to repeat the "right-wing" talking points to add fuel to the fire.

And we're supposed to believe that the "left wing-nuts" aren't trained to repeat "left wing" talking points? Funny how "compromise" seems to be defined as the conservatives having to bend to accommodate liberal positions. Anyone who doesn't agree with the liberal point of view, or the mushy moderate attitude that "everything's negotiable" is demonized as being "looney", "hate-mongers", "wing-nuts" - a staple from Rules for Radicals. Sometimes we just need to agree to disagree after making our points in an argument.
 

scottm4211

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And we're supposed to believe that the "left wing-nuts" aren't trained to repeat "left wing" talking points? Funny how "compromise" seems to be defined as the conservatives having to bend to accommodate liberal positions. Anyone who doesn't agree with the liberal point of view, or the mushy moderate attitude that "everything's negotiable" is demonized as being "looney", "hate-mongers", "wing-nuts" - a staple from Rules for Radicals. Sometimes we just need to agree to disagree after making our points in an argument.

You just proved his point. The post stated that extremist views on either side are harmful. Then you make it into an us versus them argument.
 

Pilgrim

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You just proved his point. The post stated that extremist views on either side are harmful. Then you make it into an us versus them argument.

Isn't that what an argument/debate is - Us vs Them, one side vs the other? I don't accept the premise that the views on either side are extremest, or necessarily harmful for that matter. The denial of Israel's right to exist might be an exception. However, this sort of labeling tactic is just a technique used by one side to discredit or de-legitimize their opponent.

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witness23

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This message has been deleted by Dreamer. Reason: debate the views or issue, not the poster.

Wow.....this would actually mean something if it were consistent for everyone.
 

Dreamer

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Wow.....this would actually mean something if it were consistent for everyone.


Really? So who should I remove. Those who call the opposition "wing nuts" or those who say "kool aid drinkers" and "evil".

Cant have it both ways.

Debate the views, leave the personal names and insults out. We dont have to have a Soapbox. It was asked for!

The rules are much less strict in this forum, but there are still rules. We try to allow for passionate debate, without direct insults. Yes, fine line, but the alternative is rated G.


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