Muslim in chief wants to eviscerate Israel

[witness23]

Witness.

Take a look at Turtle's name on the side of the page. You will notice it now says Moderator under it. Which is what he is trying to do, and I think rather well.

How ironic.......Just 16 days ago I made a mistake and thought Turtle was a moderator, and was corrected by another member that he wasn't. Honest mistake, considering the responses he was giving in the NPR thread, he seemed to have taken on a much larger role than just another "commoner" in the forums.

I also mentioned a "come to Jesus" meeting that happened awhile back. Totally speculative on my part, but I had noticed a change in Turtle's attitude with the responses he was posting. Guess I was correct.

Originally Posted by Turtle
Here's a chance to have input to show the country what expediters are, and instead we get a bunch of people who show their aѕѕ by confirming the stereotype of the dumb trucker who can't recognize and stay on topic.

Originally Posted by Witness23
Now how is a comment like that supposed to foster the free exchange of ideas and information? And coming from a moderator makes that comment even more unprofessional and very disappointing.

Origanally Posted by Ragman
Congrats to turtle on becoming a moderator.

I missed that announcment.

Originally Posted by Witness23
It happened during that "Come to Jesus meeting" a while back, they just haven't announced it.

Originally Posted by Ragman
Congrats to turtle on becoming a moderator.
I missed that announcment.

Originally Posted by Turtle
I didn't even get a memo on it.

How 'bout that Obama speech?

 

[witness23]

Isn't that what an argument/debate is

An argument and a debate are two totally different things. A debate is based on facts or at least both sides have done some research or they have some knowledge of the matter at hand. A debate doesn't include personal feelings and is usually done in a mature manner.

An argument usually insues when feelings are involved, and are usually based on falsehoods, innuendos and gossip.

But hey, I could be wrong, I never took a debate class. Maybe other members have and would like to give their opinion on the subject of Debate vs. Argument.

 

[Turtle]

How ironic.......Just 16 days ago I made a mistake and thought Turtle was a moderator, and was corrected by another member that he wasn't.

Ironic, indeed. It was almost as if you knew about it before I did, or it's as if you gave someone the idea. That's just how ironic the timing of your comment was.

Honest mistake, considering the responses he was giving in the NPR thread, he seemed to have taken on a much larger role than just another "commoner" in the forums.

Pure coincidence, I assure you.

I also mentioned a "come to Jesus" meeting that happened awhile back. Totally speculative on my part, but I had noticed a change in Turtle's attitude with the responses he was posting. Guess I was correct.

You're quite wrong about that one. The only "Come to Jesus" meeting I've ever attended where I was asked to modify the way I post was immediately after that whole "Hardon Collider" extravaganza. There had been no (recent) meeting or discussions of any kind, at least none that included me. If I recall correctly, I've already told you that. Why don't you believe me? Have I ever given you cause to believe me to be a liar?

How 'bout that Obama speech?

I thought it was a hoot and a half. Asking the Middle East to turn back the clock like that? He's got an infinitely better shot at getting Congress to turn back the clock to 1967 spending levels.

As for Debate versus Argument, they can generally be used interchangeably. They are each to be found as synonyms in a thesaurus. In fact, each is used within the definition of the other in most dictionaries. The most common usage for debate is one of a more formal discussion, while the more common usage for argument is one of an oral disagreement. Yet both words share the same usage and definition of "a discussion involving differing points of view."

Interestingly, the origin for "debate" is from the French debattre, which is to fight and beat down (batre) completely. Which frankly sounds more like an angry argument.

The origin of "argument" is from the the Latin argumentum, arguere, which is to "put forth statements and reasoning in support of a proposition". Which sounds more like a formal debate.

 

[pjjjjj]

At the bottom of each Forum there is a list of the moderators who can moderate within that forum. You will notice my name is absent from the list of the Soapbox moderators. Because of my unnatural and irrational obsession with getting people to stick to replying to the post and not to the poster, that's probably a very wise decision.

I don't understand that. Are you saying that a mod's authority only applies in certain forum sections?
Secondly, if you have a healthy obsession with getting people to follow the rules, then why would it be a wise decision to not give you mod status within the Soapbox?

Thirdly, I'm trying really hard to understand peoples' posts, but I'm finding it difficult. I guess I am too inexperienced in caring about politics to be able to read between the lines, so to speak. Could I make a request for people to try to make their posts a little more detailed or something? Like what I'm saying is that sometimes I'll read a post, and I'll think it says one thing... but that one thing that I think it is saying, goes against what I believe the person is all about.. and I just get so dang frustrated because I can't understand it. Sometimes it might just be a matter of mistyping a critical word, to have another meaning.. blah

Sorry, I should just relegate myself to the child forum due to my low political understanding. Where IS that forum anyway?

 

[Turtle]

I don't understand that. Are you saying that a mod's authority only applies in certain forum sections?

No, not at all. All mods have authority in all forums, but mods have certain additional authority, duties, responsibilities and accountability in the forums in which they are officially assigned to moderate.

Secondly, if you have a healthy obsession with getting people to follow the rules, then why would it be a wise decision to not give you mod status within the Soapbox?

One, it was a joke. Two, I have mod status in the Soapbox, and all the other forums. So do all the other moderators. But I'm not one of the moderators assigned to the Soapbox, so when certain things need to be done in the Soapbox, I or any moderator could do it, but I'm not the one responsible for doing it. I'll leave that to someone else. Otherwise you've got too many cooks in in the kitchen.

Thirdly, I'm trying really hard to understand peoples' posts, but I'm finding it difficult.

I would suggest either sending them a PM or posting your questions here asking for clarification.

Like what I'm saying is that sometimes I'll read a post, and I'll think it says one thing... but that one thing that I think it is saying, goes against what I believe the person is all about.. and I just get so dang frustrated because I can't understand it.

You could always PM them and ask them what they are all about, or, here's a thought, you could be more concerned with what they posted, rather than what the poster is all about. Oftentimes people will post something where they take a position that they don't necessarily agree with (a.k.a., not what they are all about), for the purpose of sparking the debate for a wider variety of an exchange of ideas.

Sorry, I should just relegate myself to the child forum due to my low political understanding. Where IS that forum anyway?

Ah, that would be The Soapbox. You'll fit right in.

 

[pjjjjj]

normally I do not do this,

Normally you do not do what? Get involved in USA/Israel Soapbox threads?

to clear the OP disappointment of the current occupant of the WH, all one needs to do is watch and see the middle east agenda we had in the WH only a short 3 years ago .

what GB did is simply repeated the congress and senate agreements from 2004 .

it's about 30 Min. long, but we can all learn from that speech:

YouTube - ‪Bush's speech for Knesset - Part 1‬‏

Moose, I watched that youtube and wow, I thought it was great (but maybe I'm missing something)! I thought Mr. Bush was impressive, well received, etc. I'm confused about your statement above though. Could you elaborate more about what you meant? I believe I am getting the wrong impression from what you have written. Thanks!

 

[moose]

Normally you do not do what? Get involved in USA/Israel Soapbox threads?

Yes, that's, exactly.

the rezone i did post on this one,
is because i felt the OP was not about foreign relationships ,but about the American presidents.
then i posted that link,(assuming, that probably most members of the forum never know it existed, while i watched it live.)
simply asking : how can one president make such promises only a few months before knowingly leaving office, and only for the next one to take it 180* within 3 years to date .
as i said, this is not about handling diplomacy, this is about a real problem we have in the the WH, and in the way we practice democracy.
i know it's not political correct to say this, but i'm for one, am not in favor of monarchy democracy...
which is why that president was allowed to make such speech to begin with.

now i'm going to be executed.
thanks for asking !

 

[pjjjjj]

Normally you do not do what? Get involved in USA/Israel Soapbox threads?

Yes, that's, exactly.

the rezone i did post on this one,
is because i felt the OP was not about foreign relationships ,but about the American presidents.
then i posted that link,(assuming, that probably most members of the forum never know it existed, while i watched it live.)
simply asking : how can one president make such promises only a few months before knowingly leaving office, and only for the next one to take it 180* within 3 years to date .
as i said, this is not about handling diplomacy, this is about a real problem we have in the the WH, and in the way we practice democracy.
i know it's not political correct to say this, but i'm for one, am not in favor of monarchy democracy...
which is why that president was allowed to make such speech to begin with.

now i'm going to be executed.
thanks for asking !

Thank you moose. I knew I wasn't understanding your post the first time.