Morgan Freeman is in trouble again....

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No, it is NOT work, it is PRETENDING. PLAY acting. NOT REAL.
That doesn't mean it's not work.

Nothing is real in a movie.
That's simply not true. Movies tell stories, and the messages conveyed by the telling are very, very real.

Movies are a luxury, with no real use. If there was never a movie made we would do just fine. If farmers don't grow, garbage men quit picking up or sewage workers stop, THEN it will have a REAL effect on life.
Saying that movies are a luxury and have no real use is like saying communication is a luxury and has no real use. People have been telling stories ever since people learned to communicate. It's an important part of what makes us who we are. Sometimes those stories are told face-to-face, sometimes in the written word in books and letters, in pictures, music, on the theatrical stage, and in movies. Entertainment and diversion is also a necessity for man. It excites and nurtures the brain, and invokes emotions necessary for life itself. Sometimes the entertainment is purely entertainment for an escape from reality, sometimes it also contains an important message to take with you into reality. People stand in line to go to the theater. They do so now just as they did in Shakespeare's time. People don't stand in line for something that has no value.

Baseball players, hockey players, etc, PLAY. They don't work. They also do not produce anything of real value. Food has real value, houses have real value.
At the amateur level you're right, it's mostly playing. But at the professional level, athletes work quite hard. They produce something of great value, as attendance and interest in their sport attest. History proves that sports competitions and exhibitions are quite valued to society. Just because you personally don't value it doesn't mean it doesn't have value.

I'm sure you can related to taking a child on a hunting trip and teaching them how to hunt. I'm also sure you can realize the importance of such an activity goes far beyond that of merely pulling the trigger and killing something. It brings people together, it creates memories, it creates lifelong bonds. Some of my fondest memories are going to baseball games, and playing baseball with my dad. Not because it was baseball, but because I was with my dad. You say that has no value, but I say it's invaluable.
 

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Chuck Norris!?!? He isn't even a good actor...LOL and his Opinion doesnt do much for me either...Now Uncle Ted, yea what he has to say while is opinion, is inline with mine..he likes to kill things too...:D...
Uncle Ted? ...he is a great musician, and 1 of my favorite, but who cares what he has to say!?!? I mean because he is a musician his words carry more weight then the average voter...puhleeze.

Oh and I didn't say i didn't agree with Morgan, i siad i never opened the link...so i can't say if i agree or not.....but i also said, just because he is an actor , his opinion doesnt carry any more weight then the avg joe...and thats my opinion...:0
Yes, I know what you said. But by saying it you are dismissing his opinion because he's an actor. Otherwise you wouldn't have brought it up. His opinion is no more or less important than the opinions of those who write most of the crap you cut and past here, yet you cut and paste it as if it's important.

Someone's opinion becomes important when someone else is interested in hearing it. Take that for what it's worth. Do more people want to hear the opinion of the average Joe, or hear the opinion of someone in the public eye they are familiar with?
 
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That doesn't mean it's not work.

That's simply not true. Movies tell stories, and the messages conveyed by the telling are very, very real.

Saying that movies are a luxury and have no real use is like saying communication is a luxury and has no real use. People have been telling stories ever since people learned to communicate. It's an important part of what makes us who we are. Sometimes those stories are told face-to-face, sometimes in the written word in books and letters, in pictures, music, on the theatrical stage, and in movies. Entertainment and diversion is also a necessity for man. It excites and nurtures the brain, and invokes emotions necessary for life itself. Sometimes the entertainment is purely entertainment for an escape from reality, sometimes it also contains an important message to take with you into reality. People stand in line to go to the theater. They do so now just as they did in Shakespeare's time. People don't stand in line for something that has no value.

At the amateur level you're right, it's mostly playing. But at the professional level, athletes work quite hard. They produce something of great value, as attendance and interest in their sport attest. History proves that sports competitions and exhibitions are quite valued to society. Just because you personally don't value it doesn't mean it doesn't have value.

I'm sure you can related to taking a child on a hunting trip and teaching them how to hunt. I'm also sure you can realize the importance of such an activity goes far beyond that of merely pulling the trigger and killing something. It brings people together, it creates memories, it creates lifelong bonds. Some of my fondest memories are going to baseball games, and playing baseball with my dad. Not because it was baseball, but because I was with my dad. You say that has no value, but I say it's invaluable.


Movies seldom portray the truth. They seldom even get it right.

Hunting, provides entertainment, memories AND FOOD!

I did not say no value, I said no REAL value. By REAL value I mean things that are NEEDED to sustain life. Movies, pro sports, etc, do not fit that bill.

Mankind existed and did quite well long before movies were invented or sports went professional. I place a far greater value on my garbage man than I do ANY actor or sports star.. Some 'starts' do much behind the scenes to improve the lot of mankind. Those who do the most try to do it without much fanfare. Far too many of them are just useless, shallow people, with no real purpose in life.
 

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Movies seldom portray the truth. They seldom even get it right.

Hunting, provides entertainment, memories AND FOOD!

I did not say no value, I said no REAL value. By REAL value I mean things that are NEEDED to sustain life. Movies, pro sports, etc, do not fit that bill.

Mankind existed and did quite well long before movies were invented or sports went professional. I place a far greater value on my garbage man than I do ANY actor or sports star.. Some 'starts' do much behind the scenes to improve the lot of mankind. Those who do the most try to do it without much fanfare. Far too many of them are just useless, shallow people, with no real purpose in life.

They provide real value for millions of people. You can deny that but that brings us righr back to that darn reality thing.

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They provide real value for millions of people. You can deny that but that brings us righr back to that darn reality thing.

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Yeah, I have little doubt that there are millions in this country who would die if the never saw another movie or the Real Housewifes of New Jersey again.

Far too many people have no concept of reality these days. When we were kids we knew the difference between cartoons and movie violence and the real thing.
 

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What did he do? He dared to point out we haven't had a black president yet, so he's tired of hearing about the race stuff!



Morgan Freeman says US doesn't have a black prez




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I'm not sure this is the case that he is tired of the race stuff. Freeman has made other incendiary comments somewhat recently injecting racism where there isn't any . I thought he was better than that,but apparently not, so I won't watch his movies any longer.

Morgan Freeman: Obama Made Racism Worse, Tea Party Will Do 'Whatever [It] Can To Get This Black Man Outta Here' | NewsBusters.org
 

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Movies seldom portray the truth. They seldom even get it right.

That you would say that is just preposterous, given your insistence that one can only really 'know' anything from personal experience. Which leaves a whole world of things you personally know nothing about, right?
Not to mention that when it comes to 'truth', yours isn't always the same as mine, so which is the 'real' truth? Answer: they both are. Because if not, there wouldn't be more than one religion flourishing today [if any].


Hunting, provides entertainment, memories AND FOOD!

Art provides food for the spirit, which is as necessary as feeding our bodies. Even the worst garage band provides something people need, and that's why they/we keep creating art.

I did not say no value, I said no REAL value. By REAL value I mean things that are NEEDED to sustain life. Movies, pro sports, etc, do not fit that bill.

See above.

Mankind existed and did quite well long before movies were invented or sports went professional. I place a far greater value on my garbage man than I do ANY actor or sports star.. Some 'starts' do much behind the scenes to improve the lot of mankind. Those who do the most try to do it without much fanfare. Far too many of them are just useless, shallow people, with no real purpose in life.

Useless and shallow serves a purpose for some: just look at all the comments about King Putz, Obawa, Dumbocraps & Rebumlicans. Does it get any more shallow & useless than that kind of childish crap?
 

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Useless and shallow serves a purpose for some: just look at all the comments about King Putz, Obawa, Dumbocraps & Rebumlicans. Does it get any more shallow & useless than that kind of childish crap?

What is shallow about fighting a real enemy? Obama is evil, born of Devil's spawn. He is home grown domestic enemy of the Constitution. He HATES the US, freedom, the Power of the People and the Constitution. When he finally starts the fight, I will be ready.

That is what oaths are about.
 

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Fighting a real enemy is one thing, but coming onto an Internet forum and bantering about names such as King Putz, Obawa, Dumbocrats and Rebumlicans is the creation of art for the purposes of entertainment.

Movies aren't meant to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. They're meant to tell stories, often with an underlying message that is quite the truth. The same goes for stories told around a hunker, through books, the stage, dance, music, and cave paintings. Yes, man existed and did quite well long before movies were invented or sports went professional, but they have always had stories told through various forms of art and expression, and they have always had competitions of one form or another, even if it was to find out who was the Alpha Male who could lead and protect them. That's real, my friend. Very real.
 

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Fighting a real enemy is one thing, but coming onto an Internet forum and bantering about names such as King Putz, Obawa, Dumbocrats and Rebumlicans is the creation of art for the purposes of entertainment.




It'd be less annoying [and troublesome] if that were true, but you know it's not. The expression may be sophomoric, but the contempt is as real as the warped belief that they KNOW what Obama thinks, believes, and intends to do. I can respect the positions of those who disagree with Obama, [esp when they mirror my own, lol], but I cannot respect the statements of those who believe they know things they cannot possibly know.
When someone proclaims what another person thinks, [in direct contradiction to any facts produced] they have zero credibility, IMO.
 

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Kinda walked all over my point there Cheri. LOL

I tried to point out that even someone who doesn't like arts and entertainment, and only focuses on what they perceive to be real, can often themselves ironically create art and entertainment by using things which are not real at all.
 

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Sorry, Turtle. I got your point, but walked over it with a reply that those who didn't get it could relate to.
Art and entertainment are subjective, and some are more easily entertained than others, but I have trouble finding entertainment in the incomprehensible - especially when they vote.
 

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Fine Art

Other Saddam Hussein relatives still on the loose:

The Brothers :

Guday..............the half-Australian brother
Sooflay ...........the restauranteur
Huray..............the sports fanatic
Sashay.............the gay brother
Kuntay & Kintay....the twins from the African mother
Sayhay.............the baseball player
Ojay...............the stalker/murderer
Gulay..............the singer/entertainer
Ebay...............the internet czar
Biliray............the country music star
Ecksray............the radiologist
Puray..............the blender factory owner
Regay..............the half-Jamaican brother
Tupay..............the one with bad hair

The Sisters :

Lattay.............the coffee shop owner
Bufay..............the 300 pound sister
Dushay.............the clean sister
Phayray............the zoo worker in the gorilla house
Sapheway...........the grocery store owner
Olay...............the half-Mexican sister
Gudlay.............the prostitute
 

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Kinda walked all over my point there Cheri. LOL

I tried to point out that even someone who doesn't like arts and entertainment, and only focuses on what they perceive to be real, can often themselves ironically create art and entertainment by using things which are not real at all.

Who in here has stated that they don't like the arts and/or entertainment? Certainly not I. All I said is that it has no importance to staying alive. It is a luxury. A distraction from the important things. What people do when taking a break from earning a living.

As I said, garbage men are MORE IMPORTANT to mankind that John Wayne or Jane Fonda. (had to get both political sides in so as not to be biased)
 

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Frankly, garbage men are a luxury. Man existed and got along just fine before they had garbage men, and they've had entertainment for far longer than they've had garbage men.

Incidentally, if you are able to entertain yourself, and you engage it that sort of thing, then you clearly have a need to be entertained. :D
 

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Frankly, garbage men are a luxury. Man existed and got along just fine before they had garbage men, and they've had entertainment for far longer than they've had garbage men.

Incidentally, if you are able to entertain yourself, and you engage it that sort of thing, then you clearly have a need to be entertained. :D

WELL THEN, let's eliminate ALL garbage men, all movies, and see how well we do now. Any bets on which elimination would have a worse effect? Which loss would cause more death in the modern world?

Entertainment can be real or pretend. Entertainment is a personal matter. All great minds, even mine, need diversion! :p
 

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But, will you respect yourself in the morning?
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Without a doubt.

Incidentally, if you are able to entertain yourself, and you engage it that sort of thing, then you clearly have a need to be entertained. :D

Entertainment can be real or pretend. Entertainment is a personal matter. All great minds, even mine, need diversion! :p

LOS seems to be missing the sarcasm!
 
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