Modern Life In Appalachia

[aristotle]

Mark Twain was a thoroughly modern man of the late 1800's. People live only in the context of their time on Earth. Twain lived as a product of 19th century America. He had no choice in picking which epoch to live. To apply 21st century social parameters on an 18th century man is meaningless and absurd.

Heaven only knows how harshly future generations will judge us living now. We have managed to screw up a mighty nation at a double quick pace.

 

[RLENT]

Mark Twain was a thoroughly modern man of the late 1800's. People live only in the context of their time on Earth. Twain lived as a product of 19th century America. He had no choice in picking which epoch to live. To apply 21st century social parameters on an 18th century man is meaningless and absurd.

Yes - and I'm quite sure that the utter irony of judging and condemning by 21st century standards, those which functionally live in the 18th century - or earlier - as consequence of a lack of development is completely lost on some ...

Nevertheless: let the hilarity continue ...

Heaven only knows how harshly future generations which judge us living now. We have managed to screw up a mighty nation at a double-quick pace.

The lust for, and worshipping of, power ... the domination and subjugation of one's fellow man ... it just ain't a particularly pretty thing ...

Rest assured however, it is fairly likely that future generations will judge us quite harshly indeed ... and deservedly so ... although perhaps not on the basis that some might think ...

 

[RLENT]

Obama administration imposes sanctions on five Central African Republic leaders who have been linked to violence and human rights abuses in the country. Mixed bag of Christians and Muslims:

U.S. slaps sanctions on five Central African Republic officials tied to violence | Reuters

 

[xiggi]

The punishments of sharia are indeed barbaric and inhumane, no question.
It's my feeling, though, that the 'modern' Christian treatment of women is just as damaging, though less obvious, [especially to the males]. Women are believed to be subordinate to men, as if they're 'less than', and that's just stupid, IMO. The potential that women represent to humanity is as great as men's, except it's been [and continues to be] held back. And for what?
Religion may not have created the myth of male superiority, but it has done nothing to end it, and a great deal to perpetuate it. The cosmetic 'freedom' of Christian women is no less oppressive than the burqua - it's just less blatant.
When men can accept that women are capable of contributing every bit as much value to humanity as men, humanity will have evolved to the next level.
Since women are capable of contributing as much stupidity as men, too, it probably won't be utopia - but it will be real, anyway. I'm kind of sorry I won't live to see it, lol.

I keep hearing this about modern christian men keeping women down. I attended 20 years of catholic church and nearly as many in non denominational churches. HGuess they kept it hidden from me.

I am curious when was the last time you attended a church on a regular basis and witnessed this for yourself?

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[RLENT]

I keep hearing this about modern christian men keeping women down. I attended 20 years of catholic church and nearly as many in non denominational churches. Guess they kept it hidden from me.

xiggi,

Perhaps not ... perhaps it was in plain view but just not seen or recognized.

During the 20 years that you attended Catholic church, just how many women priests conducted the Mass ?

 

[Jamin_Joe]

I highly recoomend reading the old Fox fire Books that where written in the 70's. They are full of Backwoods folklore and they got me through the required reading 1/2 hour my parents made us do when school was out.

 

[RLENT]

I am curious when was the last time you attended a church on a regular basis and witnessed this for yourself?

BTW ... your question seems to assume a premise whereby people are only Christians when they are actually in a church ...

I can assure you that this is, in fact, not the case ...

Given the above, one is left to wonder what the actual motivation is, for inquiring about an individual's church attendance habits and history ...

The idea of -shaming comes to mind as a possible analogous parallel ...

 

[Pilgrim]

The punishments of sharia are indeed barbaric and inhumane, no question.
It's my feeling, though, that the 'modern' Christian treatment of women is just as damaging, though less obvious, [especially to the males]. Women are believed to be subordinate to men, as if they're 'less than', and that's just stupid, IMO...

There are some of us that are curious to see a few examples of the "modern Christian treatment of women" that are "just as damaging" to women as the treatment currently imposed upon them by the Muslim religion and Sharia law.

 

[Jamin_Joe]

The country women I know would not tolerate Shia Law or any guy's abuse.

In fact I feel sorry for the poor fool if he tried it. A country gal can be alot meaner than most and you would still have to deal with her family

A very scary situation.

 

[Turtle]

The country women I know routinely put up with an insane amount of abusive crap from their boyfriends and husbands. I don't know any that would tolerate sharia law, but I know plenty who willingly tolerate biblical law and the subservience that goes along with it.

 

[layoutshooter]

The country women I know routinely put up with an insane amount of abusive crap from their boyfriends and husbands. I don't know any that would tolerate sharia law, but I know plenty who willingly tolerate biblical law and the subservience that goes along with it.

You know an entirely different crowd of women than I do. Guess it is all relative to what one sees. Maybe there is no fixed rule on this.

 

[RLENT]

There are some of us that are curious to see a few examples of the "modern Christian treatment of women" that are "just as damaging" to women as the treatment currently imposed upon them by the Muslim religion and Sharia law.

Well ... you remember that thing the good Christian brothers and sisters used to do awhile back up Salem way ?

Here's a possible modern day instance of it - in Papua New Guinea ... a country whose population is 96% Christian ... or so they claim ...

Meet Kepari Leniata, a 20-year-old mother of one:



And here she is - that's her right in the middle of the photograph ... with the flames and smoke coming off of her - enjoying a little warmth provided by some kindly folks who thought she she was looking kinda chilly:

SYDNEY — Papua New Guinea police have charged two people with the grisly killing of a woman who was tortured and burned alive in front of hundreds of people, including young children, after being accused of witchcraft.

Janet Ware and Andrew Watea were charged with murder over the slaying of Kepari Leniata, a 20-year-old mother who was stripped, tortured with a hot iron rod, doused in gasoline and set alight on a pile of car tires and trash by a mob earlier this month.

Leniata had been accused of sorcery by relatives of a 6-year-old boy who had died in a hospital. Ware and Watea are believed to be the boy's mother and uncle, police said in a statement.

The two charged Monday were among more than 40 people who were detained last week in connection with Leniata's slaying. The others were eventually released due to lack of evidence, but police said more arrests are expected.

In rural Papua New Guinea, witchcraft is often blamed for unexplained misfortunes, but the brutal killing was met with outrage across the South Pacific island nation, drawing condemnation from the prime minister, police and diplomats.

Police said the hundreds of onlookers, many of whom were children and teenagers, were powerless to stop the mob who participated in Leniata's killing in the Western Highlands provincial capital of Mount Hagen. Police officers were also among the spectators, but were outnumbered and couldn't save the woman, national police spokesman Dominic Kakas said. An internal investigation is under way into the police's actions at the scene.

Murder is punishable by death in Papua New Guinea, although no one has been hanged since the country became independent in 1975.

Original article:

Papua New Guinea 'Witch' Burning: 2 Charged In Murder Of Kepari Leniata

An apparent personal testimony of observing similar acts:

I have watched as 'Christians' in Papua... - The Remembering Kepari Leniata Campaign | Facebook

 

[Turtle]

You know an entirely different crowd of women than I do. Guess it is all relative to what one sees. Maybe there is no fixed rule on this.

That's the difference between living up north and living in the belt buckle of the Bible Belt. When I lived in Ohio, New Jersey and Pennsylvania I didn't see much of it, but in Kentucky and Tennessee I see it more often than not.

 

[Pilgrim]

There are a significant number of women who tolerate abuse from spouses and partners, but it's unlikely their problems have anything to do with religion. Most have mental problems relating to lack of self esteem, or being raised in a bad family environment. In any case, the laws of Christian nations - especially the USA - don't dictate the abuse, subjugation and torture of women as seen under Islamic rule.

 

[layoutshooter]

That's the difference between living up north and living in the belt buckle of the Bible Belt. When I lived in Ohio, New Jersey and Pennsylvania I didn't see much of it, but in Kentucky and Tennessee I see it more often than not.

I did not see that much when I lived in South Carolina. More than I did in PA or MI, but still kind of rare. I would venture a guess and suggest it is more regional in the US rather than wide spread.

 

[RLENT]

There are a significant number of women who tolerate abuse from spouses and partners, but it's unlikely their problems have anything to do with religion.

One has to laugh at the idea that simply stating something, in anyway makes it true ... particularly when no evidence is offered to support a certain conclusion ...

In any case, the laws of Christian nations - especially the USA - don't dictate the abuse, subjugation and torture of women as seen under Islamic rule.

Neither do the laws of most Muslim-majority nations ... but hey - don't let that stop ya from trying to spin it ...

 

[layoutshooter]

I noticed the male domination rather markedly when I lived in Japan. It was, even then, a highly educated country, yet,that tradition still played a major role in their culture. Japan is neither Christian or Muslim. Neither is China.

 

[RLENT]

I noticed the male domination rather markedly when I lived in Japan. It was, even then, a highly educated country, yet,that tradition still played a major role in their culture. Japan is neither Christian or Muslim. Neither is China.

Only serves to show that such domination and sujugation is not limited to a particular religion, or possibly to religion at all ... although some may certainly use religion as a pretext for their darker inclinations ...

 

[Pilgrim]

That's the difference between living up north and living in the belt buckle of the Bible Belt. When I lived in Ohio, New Jersey and Pennsylvania I didn't see much of it, but in Kentucky and Tennessee I see it more often than not.

I don't know that much about KY, but I've lived in TN and traveled the state from Bristol to Memphis for a loooong time and have learned a good bit about the culture over the years. Personally, I haven't seen the culture of abuse that you claim exists in this part of the "Bible Belt"; maybe it's different in KY, but I doubt it. Of course there's always statistical data to which we can refer. You might want to talk to some of the women in OR, MD, IL or NH next time you're in those areas.

NISVS State Table Data 71b|Funded Programs|Violence Prevention|Injury Center|CDC

 

[aristotle]

Well ... you remember that thing the good Christian brothers and sisters used to do awhile back up Salem way ?

Here's a possible modern day instance of it - in Papua New Guinea ... a country whose population is 96% Christian ... or so they claim ...

Meet Kepari Leniata, a 20-year-old mother of one:

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And here she is - that's her right in the middle of the photograph ... with the flames and smoke coming off of her - enjoying a little warmth provided by some kindly folks who thought she she was looking kinda chilly:


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Original article:

Papua New Guinea 'Witch' Burning: 2 Charged In Murder Of Kepari Leniata

An apparent personal testimony of observing similar acts:

I have watched as 'Christians' in Papua... - The Remembering Kepari Leniata Campaign | Facebook

I see nowhere in this story where a "Christian" court ordered the slaying of anyone. Islamic sharia courts, however, order stoning to death, cutting off limbs and other barbaric practices. The murder depicted above wasn't court ordered or sanctioned by government.