OK. Touche' ............. I think for myself and trust my own judgement. I am doomed. But **** it , its Gods fault right?
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Michael mania is a national embarrassment
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OK. Touche' ............. I think for myself and trust my own judgement. I am doomed. But **** it , its Gods fault right?
letzrockexpress
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AND, last but not least, I am going to say lots of stupid stuff.
That may be the truest statement in this entire thread....
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Just curious ..... whadda ya basin' that on, 'zactly ?
.... the heterosexual nudie books that were found at Neverland ? ..... cause it sure couldn't have been all the gay porn ..... that wasn't there .......
Ahhh yes .... belief .... we'll get to that in just a moment .....
Please explain to us, if you have some actual knowledge, in detail, with actual facts, how his money enabled him to "skate by" ....
Yup .... I'm certain that He does ...... you, however, do not know .... since you weren't there, and didn't observe what actually went on ..... you can therefore, only believe.
So - have you stopped to consider what it means, that if it is indeed the case that MJ was innocent, there was nothing going on, these kids (including MJ in the "kids") were just friends, etc. .... what that makes you, for having accused and condemned him (and the children as well, I might add) unjustly ?
Ahh yes ..... now I think I understand your (potential) fate ...
One of the inherent problems with religious fanaticism and the effect that it has on some folks, is that when one becomes imbued with the religious fervor of faith, coming from the belief in a higher power, many things can occur .... some of which are altogether different than with a normal or typical religious adherent.
One of those things is a confusion where one begins to substitute "belief" - something related to faith and one's relationship with God - for one's own God-given ability to make actual observations of what is actually there in the real (non-supernatural) world, and then draw reasoned conclusions from said observations.
I'm sure it is far, far easier, to just believe something ... than to actually go to all the trouble and effort of looking, observing, seeing what is really there, informing oneself of the actual facts of a situation, etc.
To get a view of what the above turns out to be like in practice, click on the link below, which contains a YouTube video clip from ABC News (20/20):
Accused ...
If you have a really strong stomach, click the "More Info" link on the above page (top right, under the submitters name) and read the text.
..... in all matters other than faith and one's own personal relationship with the Supreme Being, belief is never a good substitute for actually observing and seeing, and then knowing, what is really there .....
BTW, I'm just wondering - does your Bible also contain this verse ? .... mine does:
"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."
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The EO Newswire - This was going to be it. The big moment. The triumphant return. After weeks of preparation and much anticipation by his fans, the Letzrockexpress Comeback Tour got off to a less than stellar beginning with a rather weak debut performance buried 82 posts deep in a thread primarily about Aristotle's disgust with the national mania about a dead crotch grabber. The irony is not lost on LRE's fans that both he, and the subject of the the thread that he chose to make his comeback in, were beseiged in their prime by accusations of misconduct.
Out of the truly infinite number of possible contributions to the thread, the fact that he chose as his debut comeback contribution an attack on a fellow EO Member has given many of his fans pause.
One kind-hearted loyal fan offered, "That could have been better. He needed to focus more. He seemed nervous and I think the pressure got to him."
"What was he thinking?", wondered one stunned fan as he stumbled out of the venue.
"This is worse than Flabby Britney's MTV comeback," said another fan. "And that was pretty ugly."
One can only hope that, like Flabby Britney, LRE will retreat for some intellectual jumping-jakcs, mental sit-ups, and integrity stand-ups, before venturing out on stage again to lip sync while cavorting on a stripper pole. Ah, the memories.
Out of the truly infinite number of possible contributions to the thread, the fact that he chose as his debut comeback contribution an attack on a fellow EO Member has given many of his fans pause.
One kind-hearted loyal fan offered, "That could have been better. He needed to focus more. He seemed nervous and I think the pressure got to him."
"What was he thinking?", wondered one stunned fan as he stumbled out of the venue.
"This is worse than Flabby Britney's MTV comeback," said another fan. "And that was pretty ugly."
One can only hope that, like Flabby Britney, LRE will retreat for some intellectual jumping-jakcs, mental sit-ups, and integrity stand-ups, before venturing out on stage again to lip sync while cavorting on a stripper pole. Ah, the memories.
I thought it was, too, but why say something like that in just a single sentence when you can otherwise turn it into something that is just as deep and meaningful as a Bible verse that's had the proverbial pее perversely twisted out of it for the personal pleasure of preposterous presumptions?
Proverbs 3:30
Strive not with (falsely accuse) a man without cause, if he have done thee no harm.
Proverbs 6:16-19
There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies, and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.
2 Thessalonians 3:11
For we hear that some among you are leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like busybodies.
Revelation 12:7-8
Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer.
Proverbs 3:30
Strive not with (falsely accuse) a man without cause, if he have done thee no harm.
Proverbs 6:16-19
There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies, and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.
2 Thessalonians 3:11
For we hear that some among you are leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like busybodies.
Revelation 12:7-8
Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer.
Dreammaker
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letzrockexpress
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Irony...Ya gotta love it.
Sage advice. Ya know what? I'm going to heed it. See ya when I see ya......
Thank you. Alliteration is often artlessly and accessibly apparent. I'm actually more proud of the multi-layered pun regarding the prophetic proverbs and what they portray in the context of the publication known as the piously perfect primer.
Man, that's a lot of "p".
This post was brought to you by the letters "A" and "P" and "C". Except the Cookie Monster ate "C".
Excellent.
Too many people confuse online with real life, the lines get blurred. But the Internet is the funny papers. It ain't real. If you don't believe me, reach over and turn the computer off and walk away. Can't do that in real life. Never let the funny papers jerk your chain.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
.... wasn't that a music vid from the Thriller album ?
I think time will have the final say as to whether or not Michael Jackson will be regarded as a true "genius." Personally, I think he will be regarded as a showman rather than a musician, and to put him in the class of the above list of names is a bit of a stretch. He was only an average vocalist at best. How many musical instruments were there in which Jackson displayed a mastery? How many great songs did Jackson actually arrange and/or compose (lyrics and music) and please don't tell us that Beat It was one of them. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe Jackson ever created a musical work comparing to the sophistication and complexity shown by the likes of Bach, Mozart or Ellington.
If you're trying to say that Jackson invented the Moonwalk, I'm sorry to burst your bubble. That move was being done by Marcel Marceau in his mime routines during the 1940s; various other dancers have done versions of this move since the big band era. Today's young people think Jackson was the greatest dancer ever only because they don't see very many great dancers any more; song and dance movies are out of fashion and it's hard to find this genre unless you really look for it.
YouTube - Origins of the Moonwalk
Good suggestion. Since a lot of people might not appreciate the sophistication of Coltrane, Duke Ellington should certainly be added to the list along with a variety of great vocalists like Ray Charles, Luciano Pavarotti, Sammy Davis Jr. and Nat King Cole. IMHO, I think anyone who participates in this exercise will agree that Jackson simply isn't up to the same class as any of these artists. Even if you disagree you will have spent some quality time listening to some d*mn good music.
For the record, I'm rather indifferent to Michael Jackson, not even all that much of a fan. But, when you talk about him being an average vocalist, the "complexity" and "sophistication" of his music (that's pretty funny, actually) as if you know what you are talking about, I'm not so sure I agree with you. Please do keep in mind that I have two degrees in music from the University of Cincinnati, College Conservatory of Music. One is a performance degree and the other is music theory.
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I'm not sure how I'd rate her, per se. You mean on a scale of 1-10? A scale of Kick Her Out of Bed... Wouldn't Kick Her Out of Bed... Would Drag Her Into Bed? That kind of scale?
There really isn't anything about her or the band I don't like. The boys in the band can play. I mean they can really play, whatever it is they want to play, be it Bluegrass, rock, you name it, they're good, not locked into anything. That lets them use a wide variety of influences and styles in what they do. I'm not a fan to where I've followed all the various personnel changes in the band over the years, except that I've noticed they've gotten better over the years to where now they are about as tight as a band can get. The addition of Jerry Douglas didn't hurt. He's the best of the best.
Alison Krauss herself, what's not to like? A good actor can convey a whole host of complex emotions with a look. Krauss can do the same with a single note. She has a timbre to her voice that, combined with a nearly vibrato-free delivery, makes for a sound so pure that it's completely disarming, inviting, mesmerizing. It engenders a complete trust in the music. And if that doesn't hook you, all you've got to do it look at her eyes when she sings and you're done for. There's more going on in there than just someone singing. She has a much wider range of ability than she shows very often, and has a sound that is highly adaptable and likely better suited for much more than what she's done to this point. She's won just a snotload of Grammy's as it is, but I think her best is yet to come.
I've been out of touch and didn't even know she teamed up with Robert Plant (I have no idea how I missed something like that), but hearing the tracks just confirms how versatile her voice is, while at the same time retaining that haunting restrained intensity.
Alison, according to Grammy.com, has accrued 26 Grammy awards. An incredible feat. For me, Alison Krauss's music is perfection personified.
I have had the extreme pleasure of attending three of her concerts, two in small venues: it is literally a hair-raising experience. Miss Kraus was a child prodigy, classically trained violinist. We like to call it a fiddle.... the crowd roars and roars at her live shows. Her voice seems supernatural....
I have had the extreme pleasure of attending three of her concerts, two in small venues: it is literally a hair-raising experience. Miss Kraus was a child prodigy, classically trained violinist. We like to call it a fiddle.... the crowd roars and roars at her live shows. Her voice seems supernatural....
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Classically trained may be a stretch. I know it started out that way, I think I remember her saying she studied, or rather played at it, for about a year, before giving up the classics... at age 6... and switchin' to Bluegrass fiddle playin' full time. One of those freaky little snots who can play the fiddle naturally, she's won all kinds of awards for her playing. Highly accomplished and highly skilled.
But as good a fiddle player as she is, it's that magical voice that stands far and above her fiddle.
But as good a fiddle player as she is, it's that magical voice that stands far and above her fiddle.
Agreed. Sometimes, I think she uses the fiddle as a prop or security blanket on stage. In concert, Alison comes across as demure, humble. Even shy. Yet, something transformational happens when she begins to sing: no doubt she is in complete command from beginning to end.