Md. judge rules Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

[Camper]

Well I would normally say you are on the right track but I can't. The problem many seem to have is first they take a stand and scream that our constitution is being attacked and then add "oh but there are exceptions". In this case, there isn't just cause for any exception on the grounds of offending someone.

Exceptions are par for the course with our legal system. There's no rhyme or reason to many of them. Age discrimination is illegal. There are fair housing statutes, yet 55 and over communities are legal. The fourth amendment guards against unreasonable searches and seizures yet Customs agents have unlimited discretion in terms of inspecting your vehicle and its contents.

I don't know if you are really understanding it because if you did, you will see where the trivial part of this is.

There’s no trivialities to see. To my way of thinking, there's nothing trivial with respect to the amount of angst these posers cause. Their actions make a mockery of those who put life and limb on the line so that you can have the freedoms you have to express yourself the way you do.

Sorry but the act is both offensive to me and those who see it as an attack on freedoms by interjecting a law to protect anyone who is now a protected class of people.

Honor and protected class status are two entirely different things. Now, if you're implying that Veterans are a protected class, many would argue it doesn't outweigh the sacrifices that have earned what you perceive to be protected class status.

Well sorry but Glock is at fault, it is the same thing as if I were to say in this forum that I have an MBA and then I get a job offer from say FedEx. It is their call to check me out and if I get hired without them requiring any further proof, I can not be held liable for any fraud based on them reading that forum posting.

I agree. I'm at a loss for how it is that Glock didn't verify what was obviously a questionable story.

Honor can't be stolen, it is gained and only the person who gains it can choose to lose it by their actions.

Sure it can and it continues to be stolen by those who lay false claim to it.

 

[tbubster]

camper some people just dont get it.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

camper some people just dont get it.

And I'm responding to one right now.

I know what you guys are saying. But who is really getting hurt by this? Who is the victim? No one!

Like I said... if he set out to intentionally gain from his lies, hammer him for fraud. Otherwise, leave him alone. Call him "Liar, liar, pants on fire!" If you start setting exceptions to the 1st Amendment, you have to do it in other cases, and to other Amendments. That's a slippery slope we can't afford to take.

 

[greg334]

Exceptions are par for the course with our legal system. There's no rhyme or reason to many of them.

BUT there is a difference when we speak of the legislative process and the freedoms and rights. We don't have exceptions to the rights we have unless due process is involved, hence the rights of a felon are removed because of due process. The rights of an individual are given by God, the bill of rights are limitations and there is no latitude for exceptions - they apply equally to all.

Age discrimination is illegal. There are fair housing statutes, yet 55 and over communities are legal.

They are legal as much as home associations are legal which are legislative definitions that have been set forth under the construct of the constitution. What I mean is either of those two points have nothing to do with the rights as spelled out in the constitution but have been defined and laws made to allow them or not allow them.

The fourth amendment guards against unreasonable searches and seizures yet Customs agents have unlimited discretion in terms of inspecting your vehicle and its contents.

I understand and I agree but reality is that the SC with other courts and the congress have charged customs officials with two things, one is to enforce our immigration/customs laws and to ensure the safety of our country. This allows them to inspect your vehicle when entering the country, BUT with that said, I don't know if you know that they have been used to pull people over and inspect vehicles not at the border and have been patrolling roads like I75. That to me is a problem and oversteps their authority.

There’s no trivialities to see. To my way of thinking, there's nothing trivial with respect to the amount of angst these posers cause.

I don't think anyone is hurt by his actions and no one is damaged by them, it is trivial in its nature and form because it is simply an issue that has social overtones involved - like envy and want of something unobtainable.

Their actions make a mockery of those who put life and limb on the line so that you can have the freedoms you have to express yourself the way you do.

Well see first the mockery comes in different forms and on different levels, one is the behavior of some in uniform which offends me. They do not automatically earn my respect for doing a job unless they show me that they respect that uniform and the country that it stands for. Many I have met are great people, but a few are not.

BUT the other thing is no one is on the line for my freedoms, that is a complete fallacy UNLESS we are attacked and we haven't been for more than 70 years. Our freedoms are more endanger by internal forces than external forces and those who have fought for our country and freedoms fought for them in the last century, when we had clear enemies and knew that they would destroy us. This cliche is overused and misplaced, but does not take away from the fact that many will go and fight for a cause under our flag. It doesn't remove what people in uniform have done.

Honor and protected class status are two entirely different things.

Well it seems that with laws like this, they are a single thing.

Now, if you're implying that Veterans are a protected class, many would argue it doesn't outweigh the sacrifices that have earned what you perceive to be protected class status.

Well I would say combat vets should be the focus, just because a person puts on a uniform, does not mean they have earned much.

Sure it can and it continues to be stolen by those who lay false claim to it.

Nope not at all. The only one who can steal honor away from someone is that person who earned it.

What others do, as they lie in this example, does not target a single person so earned honor is simple something that is not stolen.

 

[tbubster]

BUT the other thing is no one is on the line for my freedoms, that is a complete fallacy UNLESS we are attacked and we haven't been for more than 70 years. Our freedoms are more endanger by internal forces than external forces and those who have fought for our country and freedoms fought for them in the last century, when we had clear enemies and knew that they would destroy us. This cliche is overused and misplaced, but does not take away from the fact that many will go and fight for a cause under our flag. It doesn't remove what people in uniform have done. .

So when terrorist hijacked planes on 9/11 and flew them into buildings in NY and DC they were not attacking us??????????Thats good to know to think for the last 10 years here I was thinking that the terrorist wanted to destroy AMERICA.Man Im glad you pointed that out.

Also love how you say a man who fights for his country has to earn your respect yet the man in the white house you would jump at a request from him just because he is president even though you have said many of the things he has done have been bad for the country.

 

[Camper]

So when terrorist hijacked planes on 9/11 and flew them into buildings in NY and DC they were not attacking us??????????Thats good to know to think for the last 10 years here I was thinking that the terrorist wanted to destroy AMERICA.Man Im glad you pointed that out.

Also love how you say a man who fights for his country has to earn your respect yet the man in the white house you would jump at a request from him just because he is president even though you have said many of the things he has done have been bad for the country.

As you said, some people just don't get it. Unfortunately, the sacrifices those who served with honor have been deemed trivial by the political elite and their sheeple.



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[Camper]

BUT there is a difference when we speak of the legislative process and the freedoms and rights. We don't have exceptions to the rights we have unless due process is involved, hence the rights of a felon are removed because of due process. The rights of an individual are given by God, the bill of rights are limitations and there is no latitude for exceptions - they apply equally to all.



They are legal as much as home associations are legal which are legislative definitions that have been set forth under the construct of the constitution. What I mean is either of those two points have nothing to do with the rights as spelled out in the constitution but have been defined and laws made to allow them or not allow them.



I understand and I agree but reality is that the SC with other courts and the congress have charged customs officials with two things, one is to enforce our immigration/customs laws and to ensure the safety of our country. This allows them to inspect your vehicle when entering the country, BUT with that said, I don't know if you know that they have been used to pull people over and inspect vehicles not at the border and have been patrolling roads like I75. That to me is a problem and oversteps their authority.



I don't think anyone is hurt by his actions and no one is damaged by them, it is trivial in its nature and form because it is simply an issue that has social overtones involved - like envy and want of something unobtainable.



Well see first the mockery comes in different forms and on different levels, one is the behavior of some in uniform which offends me. They do not automatically earn my respect for doing a job unless they show me that they respect that uniform and the country that it stands for. Many I have met are great people, but a few are not.

BUT the other thing is no one is on the line for my freedoms, that is a complete fallacy UNLESS we are attacked and we haven't been for more than 70 years. Our freedoms are more endanger by internal forces than external forces and those who have fought for our country and freedoms fought for them in the last century, when we had clear enemies and knew that they would destroy us. This cliche is overused and misplaced, but does not take away from the fact that many will go and fight for a cause under our flag. It doesn't remove what people in uniform have done.



Well it seems that with laws like this, they are a single thing.



Well I would say combat vets should be the focus, just because a person puts on a uniform, does not mean they have earned much.



Nope not at all. The only one who can steal honor away from someone is that person who earned it.

What others do, as they lie in this example, does not target a single person so earned honor is simple something that is not stolen.

We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this matter. It all boils down to differing interpretations which in essence is the center piece of the legal system, one that needs a radical overhaul.

As for your assertion that honor hasn't been stolen bny these degenerates, well try explaining that rationale to the members of your local VFW post.


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[greg334]

So when terrorist hijacked planes on 9/11 and flew them into buildings in NY and DC they were not attacking us??????????Thats good to know to think for the last 10 years here I was thinking that the terrorist wanted to destroy AMERICA.Man Im glad you pointed that out.

Well see there it is, the spin on something that has little to do with the subject of the thread.

We were attacked not by a country or a government but rather by individuals based on an ideology. We seem to forget the facts leading up to the attack and have yet to see a country of a government declare war on us.

What goes with this is the idea that there is a war on terror, once explained that we were after those who were against us but in truth it is a war we can never win nor anyone else can. As I said in the 9/11 thread, we forgotten the lessons of 9/11, we have twisted things around and we are fighting wars that we will never win.

Also love how you say a man who fights for his country has to earn your respect yet the man in the white house you would jump at a request from him just because he is president even though you have said many of the things he has done have been bad for the country.

Well first the ones who fought, who went into combat are the ones who earn my respect, not the person who puts on the uniform. I am tired of hearing the sacrifices and the trouble many go through in order to "fight for our freedoms" when no one is fighting for them but against people who want to harm us.

Second I won't jump for anyone, period but rather my point was that I respect the country we live in and to be asked makes me one in 325 million people who live here, so I represent those others who are not asked. You can twist it around as many do, using hatred of the person and disrespect for the system that puts him there but I can't as much as I can't see what makes one scream murder when it comes to the trashing the constitution while at the same time coming up with exceptions based on trivial isolated incidents in our society that does just as much if not more damage than Obama and others could possibly do.

As you said, some people just don't get it. Unfortunately, the sacrifices those who served with honor have been deemed trivial by the political elite and their sheeple.

Well those who sacrificed, I mean actually did something won't be thought of less or forgotten when someone lies about their status. That's the problem many seem to miss. If you want to focus on the isolated problems within our society, great, go for it but don't remove the emphasis on those who have fought and have important issues to deal with by replacing your outrage with this trivial issue.

We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this matter. It all boils down to differing interpretations which in essence is the center piece of the legal system, one that needs a radical overhaul.

So you want to screw with the system so you are satisfied one in 325 million can't do what you perceive is wrong?

So we make the law, we allow limitations to freedom of speech, and then what happens?

More limitations for more trivial issues. Can't say **** because someone may be offended, so another law. Opps can't make a uniform because it may look like a military uniform or a cop, so another law. Can't speak of an issue because you didn't particpate in some sort of organization because another law.

Kind of the same reasoning that is are use by Obama and things he has done?

Amazing that it all sounds the same.

As for your assertion that honor hasn't been stolen bny these degenerates, well try explaining that rationale to the members of your local VFW post.

Actually you don't get that part, so I will just simply explain to you that the foundation of my point comes from a WW1 vet who faced the horrible issues in his life time. He said that regardless what happened, who did what to him, he still retain his honor that he did his duty when he was asked and no person can ever take that away from him. I've heard this over and over from other combat vets, just last night a few of them agreed that the honor they earned is one that no person can ever take away, so what make you think I would get any other reaction to my point with people at the VFW?

 

[Camper]

Well see there it is, the spin on something that has little to do with the subject of the thread.

We were attacked not by a country or a government but rather by individuals based on an ideology. We seem to forget the facts leading up to the attack and have yet to see a country of a government declare war on us.

What goes with this is the idea that there is a war on terror, once explained that we were after those who were against us but in truth it is a war we can never win nor anyone else can. As I said in the 9/11 thread, we forgotten the lessons of 9/11, we have twisted things around and we are fighting wars that we will never win.



Well first the ones who fought, who went into combat are the ones who earn my respect, not the person who puts on the uniform. I am tired of hearing the sacrifices and the trouble many go through in order to "fight for our freedoms" when no one is fighting for them but against people who want to harm us.

Second I won't jump for anyone, period but rather my point was that I respect the country we live in and to be asked makes me one in 325 million people who live here, so I represent those others who are not asked. You can twist it around as many do, using hatred of the person and disrespect for the system that puts him there but I can't as much as I can't see what makes one scream murder when it comes to the trashing the constitution while at the same time coming up with exceptions based on trivial isolated incidents in our society that does just as much if not more damage than Obama and others could possibly do.



Well those who sacrificed, I mean actually did something won't be thought of less or forgotten when someone lies about their status. That's the problem many seem to miss. If you want to focus on the isolated problems within our society, great, go for it but don't remove the emphasis on those who have fought and have important issues to deal with by replacing your outrage with this trivial issue.



So you want to screw with the system so you are satisfied one in 325 million can't do what you perceive is wrong?

So we make the law, we allow limitations to freedom of speech, and then what happens?

More limitations for more trivial issues. Can't say **** because someone may be offended, so another law. Opps can't make a uniform because it may look like a military uniform or a cop, so another law. Can't speak of an issue because you didn't particpate in some sort of organization because another law.

Kind of the same reasoning that is are use by Obama and things he has done?

Amazing that it all sounds the same.



Actually you don't get that part, so I will just simply explain to you that the foundation of my point comes from a WW1 vet who faced the horrible issues in his life time. He said that regardless what happened, who did what to him, he still retain his honor that he did his duty when he was asked and no person can ever take that away from him. I've heard this over and over from other combat vets, just last night a few of them agreed that the honor they earned is one that no person can ever take away, so what make you think I would get any other reaction to my point with people at the VFW?

This issue and society's indifference towards it is one of an untold number of issues/flaws with the legal system.

I get what you're saying even if I disagree with it. What you don't seem to understand is these medals are not given out like candy to just anyone who served. I can assure you it's quite the contrary. They're awarded to the few who made the real sacrifice, went through ordeals and hardship that merit the honor associated with these medals. When they're worn by anyone else they are defaced of that meaning. That in essence is what's stolen.

Unfortunately, this problem is far more pervasive than you and most others seem to realize.



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[tbubster]

And I'm responding to one right now.

I know what you guys are saying. But who is really getting hurt by this? Who is the victim? No one!

Like I said... if he set out to intentionally gain from his lies, hammer him for fraud. Otherwise, leave him alone. Call him "Liar, liar, pants on fire!" If you start setting exceptions to the 1st Amendment, you have to do it in other cases, and to other Amendments. That's a slippery slope we can't afford to take.

No I am! He hurt the real war hero you know the one who really got hurt in the war that really showed how brave he was that would have won this trip had it not been for this fakes lies.That is who is hurt.Its a slap in the face to the men and women who served when we as a socity have to start to question their service because SCUM like this lie about their service for personal gain.I dont care what anyone says, when someone lies for personal gain then that is not protected by the first admendment.Think about it if what this guy did is protected free speech then he is not even guilty of fraud is he.If you like it or not there have to be laws like this to protect the honor of those that are true war heros.It has nothing to do with free speech.

 

[tbubster]

Well see first the mockery comes in different forms and on different levels, one is the behavior of some in uniform which offends me. They do not automatically earn my respect for doing a job unless they show me that they respect that uniform and the country that it stands for. Many I have met are great people, but a few are not.


Well first the ones who fought, who went into combat are the ones who earn my respect, not the person who puts on the uniform. I am tired of hearing the sacrifices and the trouble many go through in order to "fight for our freedoms" when no one is fighting for them but against people who want to harm us.

So which is it?the man who goes into combat or the man who shows respect to the uniform??????

BUT the other thing is no one is on the line for my freedoms, that is a complete fallacy UNLESS we are attacked and we haven't been for more than 70 years. Our freedoms are more endanger by internal forces than external forces and those who have fought for our country and freedoms fought for them in the last century, when we had clear enemies and knew that they would destroy us. This cliche is overused and misplaced, but does not take away from the fact that many will go and fight for a cause under our flag. It doesn't remove what people in uniform have done. .

Well see there it is, the spin on something that has little to do with the subject of the thread.

As you see from your above quote you are the one who made a false statement about america not being attacked for 70 years.No spin I just pointed out that false statement with facts.


Well first the ones who fought, who went into combat are the ones who earn my respect, not the person who puts on the uniform. I am tired of hearing the sacrifices and the trouble many go through in order to "fight for our freedoms" when no one is fighting for them but against people who want to harm us.

But see Layout, I agree with you on one thing, I don't have to respect the office or the holder, they work for me but I do have respect for myself, those who fought for our freedoms and our country which may be where you are not getting what I am saying

So which is it are they fighting for your freedoms or not??

Second I won't jump for anyone, period but rather my point was that I respect the country we live in and to be asked makes me one in 325 million people who live here, so I represent those others who are not asked. You can twist it around as many do, using hatred of the person and disrespect for the system that puts him there but I can't as much as I can't see what makes one scream murder when it comes to the trashing the constitution while at the same time coming up with exceptions based on trivial isolated incidents in our society that does just as much if not more damage than Obama and others could possibly do. QUOTE]

Some one lieing for personal gain has nothing to do with the constitution.Talk about twisting things around.Its funny above you talk about how if you had the chance to meet the president you would because you have respect for those that have fought for our freedoms and our country,Yet you think some one showing so much disrespect for those same people and their fight for your freedoms and country is trivial


The last thing is as you say we can not win this war on terror.Well that is only because the bleeding heart liberals wont let us.The only way to win this war is to fight them useing their rules.

 

[greg334]

This issue and society's indifference towards it is one of an untold number of issues/flaws with the legal system.

Well in our society there are real injustices going on daily, real issues of fairness and inequality which by definition of the level of crime against society rate a lot higher than someone lying.

If you want to change things, then change the institution that is the military, take it out of the hands of the civilian population and make it like any other country, one that is equal to any and all citizens and puts any and all soldiers above those citizens.

Until that is done, no one ranks special or important enough to mess with one of the most important freedoms and government limitations we have irregardless what it offends or upsets people.

I get what you're saying even if I disagree with it.

That's all I ask, but sometimes others don't get that at all. I completely get what you are saying and wish there was a solution but I don't like what has happened, how people are elevated just because they join an organization and hate the twisting of truths and facts that is in our Constitution.

I see it as a compromise of one's principles when we want to restrict one's rights based on emotion.

What you don't seem to understand is these medals are not given out like candy to just anyone who served.
I can assure you it's quite the contrary.They're awarded to the few who made the real sacrifice, went through ordeals and hardship that merit the honor associated with these medals.

I do understand and I know the process as it was explained to me. Something that really is not relevant to the actual subject of the thread or law that was struck down.

When they're worn by anyone else they are defaced of that meaning. That in essence is what's stolen.

I absolutely do not agree. The only way anything is stolen is if the person takes the object from someone else.

In this case the victim is no one, there is no lose of honor and no lost anything for that matter. Glock didn't ensure that the person was who they said they are.

Unfortunately, this problem is far more pervasive than you and most others seem to realize.

Well like I said, there are more important things to worry about. If this effects the armed forces, then I would think there are deeper problems and we need to address those problem for the reason of our security.

As you see from your above quote you are the one who made a false statement about america not being attacked for 70 years.No spin I just pointed out that false statement with facts.

We were never attacked by a country, we were attacked by a group of people, individuals who decided to take a drastic course of action against our way of life, not our freedoms, not our sovereignty but our way of life.

So which is it are they fighting for your freedoms or not??

NOPE they are not.

If they were fighting the Japanese in 1941, yes they would be but look at our actions and the reasons behind those actions.

We went into Iraq to fulfill the UN mandate, with a secondary reason that looks like our intent was to de-stable Iran but neither Iraq or Iran were a source of threats to our country.

So where was our freedoms in danger?

Nope not at all.

We went into Afghanistan because they were supposedly the base of operations for Bin Laden and we sort of took out the taliban but still that is not where the funding came from nor the people who attacked us. Afghanistan didn't attack us, did they?

Some one lieing for personal gain has nothing to do with the constitution.

Show me where it does?

I don't see the sub-amendment saying "and under penalty of law, a person can not lie"

Talk about twisting things around./quote]

Not at all. The First amendment is clear, the SC set limitations on it which means that one can not do direct harm to another without responsibility like yelling fire in a crowded room but it also does not say that lying is not allowed, especially when there are no victims.

You can't have it both ways, an amendment that covers what you want and don't want.

Its funny above you talk about how if you had the chance to meet the president you would because you have respect for those that have fought for our freedoms and our country,Yet you think some one showing so much disrespect for those same people and their fight for your freedoms and country is trivial

Well I will repeat ... I can't see what makes one scream murder when it comes to the trashing the constitution while at the same time coming up with exceptions based on trivial isolated incidents in our society that does just as much if not more damage than Obama and others could possibly do.

To add to this, you don't seem to understand that lying is not taking honor away from anyone. You assume that if we don't think this is a bad thing, people will become despondent and think what they did was for nothing. This would be true if we monkey with our rights for every offensive issue that pops up in our culture and more so their fighting for anything would come down to fighting for nothing.

The last thing is as you say we can not win this war on terror.Well that is only because the bleeding heart liberals wont let us.The only way to win this war is to fight them useing their rules.

Actually I think that it has zero to do with it being a liberal thing or conservative thing but rather with a few ignored facts of reality.

First we don't have a real enemy unless you want to count the people who are Muslim, then all Muslims are the enemy as many want to believe. Can YOU identify a terrorist? I can't and I don't think there is a person alive who can read minds and make that identification. They have no country, they have no real allegiance to anyone except to God. So how can we be winning when we can't even know who we are fighting?

Second we are a divided country, with more people seeming to think that there is no war on, the problem we now have are our own making but also more importantly we reacted to the attack of 9/11 with our fear and not our resolve.

Third we allowed our country to be compromised by not just the liberal faction in it but from our entire political system from dog catcher to the president. We made a barrier of laws in order to protect our world and we are no more safe now than we were on 9/10.

Fourth, we have had a resurgence of military influence that is dangerous. Once we were moving from a point where we were not listening to the military in justifying their actions and more importantly acting in diplomatic roles and making executive decisions to having low level officers making public statements that we need to be involved with this or that in order to continue fighting.

Nevertheless unless we want to wipe out whole groups of people, we have to take the lessons learned and apply them to our world, not try to force them onto others. We are failing, we should have been done with Afghanistan and Iraq five years ago and Iraq is now becoming more unstable which is the fault of both the administration and congress.

Fighting them with their own rules?

They have no rules, we do and it was a republican president who set those rules.

I assume that in many ways you are ok with giving up your freedoms for safety?

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Kick a dog long enough and hard enough, and he will bite back. He bit us in the cahones on 9/11/01. We decided to fight the dog, rather than putting it to sleep long ago.

 

[layoutshooter]

THIS is why the "Stolen Valor" act was passed. Constitutional problem? Not in my book. Right to lie? Nope. These people are doing great harm to a great number of people. People who DID serve with honor. Every penny that a "fake" takes out of the system the less there is available for those who EARNED it and may need it to survive.

Sorry, I could NOT copy it for some reason. You will have to click on the link to read this November, 2010, Reader's Digest article.



http://maineccs.org/legislature/readers_digest_11_2010.pdf

 

[paullud]

There is no right to lie, it is the same reason you can't yell fire in a movie theatre. Glock certainly failed by not looking into that guys story but it still doesn't give him the right to lie.

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[Tennesseahawk]

Dispatchers lie all the time, to get us to take loads which benefit their companies. Shouldn't they lose out too? What about politicians who lie to get us to elect/reelect them?

You're making a gulley out of a foxhole here. Get him for fraud, end of story.

If I had my way, he'd wake up in the morning, and dig into his Wheaties - then realize that wasn't milk he poured on his cereal. But I do not want the GOVERNMENT making a LAW protecting my HONOR! That's up to ME to spike his milk!

 

[layoutshooter]

Dispatchers lie all the time, to get us to take loads which benefit their companies. Shouldn't they lose out too? What about politicians who lie to get us to elect/reelect them?

You're making a gulley out of a foxhole here. Get him for fraud, end of story.

This one needs to be got for fraud. So do every other one like this who are defrauding the system. Every penny we have to spend on these frauds takes money out of the system needed for REAL vets with REAL problems. This is NOT an issue on the broader Constitutional right to free speech. There is not right to defraud are to do harm.

 

[Camper]

Well in our society there are real injustices going on daily, real issues of fairness and inequality which by definition of the level of crime against society rate a lot higher than someone lying.

Well Greg, I'm going to guess you haven't served. If you did, you'd have a better appreciation for what's at stake when acts like this are committed.

What makes this particular story all the more galling is the fact that this punk did serve and therefore knew the seriousness of his actions.

Quite frankly, no court ordered sanction would do anywhere near the amount justice I'd like to serve up to this pond scum.



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[Tennesseahawk]

Well Greg, I'm going to guess you haven't served. If you did, you'd have a better appreciation for what's at stake when acts like this are committed.

What makes this particular story all the more galling is the fact that this punk did serve and therefore knew the seriousness of his actions.

Quite frankly, no court ordered sanction would do anywhere near the amount justice I'd like to serve up to this pond scum.

Maybe Greg didn't serve; but I did. And I still agree with him.

 

[tbubster]

THIS is why the "Stolen Valor" act was passed. Constitutional problem? Not in my book. Right to lie? Nope. These people are doing great harm to a great number of people. People who DID serve with honor. Every penny that a "fake" takes out of the system the less there is available for those who EARNED it and may need it to survive.

Sorry, I could NOT copy it for some reason. You will have to click on the link to read this November, 2010, Reader's Digest article.



http://maineccs.org/legislature/readers_digest_11_2010.pdf

The link was a great read.Shows this is alot more wide spread then what some want to belive also shows that when some scum does this there are very real victims.