Mr. Turtle normally I agree with you..But if the protocols were all made up and everything...
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If? Did you say
IF? There's no IF. They
WERE made up. They're a stone-cold fabrication stolen from an earlier literary work. I don't know how I can make it any plainer than that, and you really can't proceed any further with anything until you can grasp that one..simple..fact.
Read slowly...
Joly wrote a book in 1864 (
Dialogue aux enfers entre Machiavel et Montesquieu - the English translation of which is Dialogue in Hell between Machiavelli and Montesquieu) which was the basis for all of this. It was aimed at Napoleon (and got Joly into a lot of trouble for it, too), but it could have been aimed at almost anyone in power, or anyone who wanted power. The book attacks Napoleon, his political ambitions and his lust for power, using Machiavelli as the diabolical plotter in Hell as a stand-in for Napoleon's views.
The book inspired a man named Herman Goedsche (A.K.A., Sir John Retcliffe) to write one of his own (
Biarritz) two years later in 1868. (Goedsche is best known for his antisemitism, and for the large contribution that his novels inspired Krushevan when he wrote
The Protocols and were first published in 1903,
thirty nine years after Joly's work.) In Goedsche's novel (you do understand that a novel is fiction, right?) he had a chapter in which he described a secret midnight meeting in a Jewish cemetery in Prague between members of a mysterious rabbinical cabal where, at midnight, the Devil appears before those who have gathered on behalf of the Twelve Tribes of Israel in order to plan a Jewish conspiracy to take over the world. (Kind of like a nineteenth century meet the Devil at the Crossroads kind of thing. It's an old story, though.)
The scene in Goedsche's
Biarritz very closely mirrors a scene from a much earlier novel, written in 1846 titled
Joseph Balsamo, Memoirs of a Physician, written by Alexandre Dumas. It was one of a series of the so-called Marie Antoinette romances. Dumas was, at the time, and quite possibly still, the most read French author, by far. The scene in
Joseph Balsamo wasn't about Jews or some cabal and Israel, it was about the lead characters meeting in secret and plotting, but instead of plotting to take over the world, they were plotting an event known as
The Affair of the Diamond Necklace, an actual event in the court of Louis the XVI where his wife, Marie Antoinette conspired to defraud the crown jewelers out of the cost of a very expensive necklace. It was one of the things that led to the French Revolution, actually. The French people had had it up to their necks with Marie Antoinette. (sorry)
Dumas also wrote, among countless other books and plays,
The Count of Monte Crisco,
The Three Musketeers, and wrote the definitive adaptation of
The Nutcracker on which Tchaikovsky adapted for his famous ballet.
So, here we have midnight meetings and secret plotting in widely read and very popular literature by Dumas (the kind of stuff that was first popularized in Greek literature, and in some of the more famous Shakespeare plays, as well), combined with Joly's
Dialogues in Hell which was widely read and caused quite the stir, and a very inspired and very antisemitic Krushevan took hold of it and edited to be all about the Jews and published it as fact, and even included an elaborate story and (completely fabricated) documents as corroborating evidence (a manner in which possibly Dan Rather was equally inspired when he fabricated corroborating evidence for a story near and dear to his heart).
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Protocols 1-19 very closely follow the order of
The Dialogues in Hell 1-17.
For example,
The Protocols page 43:
"These newspapers, like the Indian god Vishnu, will be possessed of hundreds of hands, each of which will be feeling the pulse of varying public opinion."
And from page 65:
"Our Government will resemble the Hindu god Vishnu. Each of our hundred hands will hold one spring of the social machinery of State."
Why the Jews would even mention a Hindu god while setting up a plan to take over the world defies belief, 'cause they wouldn't, but be that as it may, from
Dialogues in Hell page 141:
"
Machiavelli:
Like the god Vishnu, my press will have a hundred arms, and these arms will give their hands to all the different shades of opinion throughout the country."
And from page 207:
"
Montesquieu: Now I understand the figure of the god Vishnu; you have a hundred arms like the Indian idol, and each of your fingers touches a spring."
It gets better. From
The Protocols, page 77:
"A loan is an issue of Government paper which entails an obligation to pay interest amounting to a percentage of the total sum of the borrowed money. If a loan is at 5%, then in 20 years the Government would have unnecessarily paid out a sum equal to that of the loan in order to cover the percentage. In 40 years it will have paid twice; and in 60 thrice that amount, but the loan will still remain as an unpaid debt."
And from
Dialogues, page 209:
"Montesquieu: How are loans made? By the issue of bonds entailing on the Government the obligation to pay interest proportionate to the capital it has been paid. Thus, if a loan is at 5%, the State, after 20 years, has paid out a sum equal to the borrowed capital. When 40 years have expired it has paid double, after 60 years triple: yet it remains debtor for the entire capital sum. "
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It that blatant enough for you? I could go on and on with example after example of bald-face plagiarisms.
The Protocols were made up, invented from a couple of plots stolen from earlier works, not to mention the entire outline, structure and many of the same ideas and phrases were copied nearly word for word. This is not some fingers-in-my-ears "la-la-la" denial or some wishful thinking, this is absolutely 100% verifiable and provable. It is irrefutable, undeniable, unquestionable.
The Protocols were made up by some antisemitic aѕѕhole to use as a weapon of his hatred for Jews, plain and simple, and those who are antisemitic today ignore the lies (and the truth) and continue to use it as a tool of hate, ignorance and delusion.
why have they become so true? That is the question?
Well, since
The Protocols were fabricated, anything that is contained within them can't possibly come true, since none of it was a prediction, much less a manifesto for world domination.
However, as an intellectual exercise, one can look for parallels, correlations and coincidences between things that are happening today and
The Protocols. That's all it is, though, an intellectual exercise. The thing is, if you think the Jews are a part of some grand conspiracy, then anything and everything that even remotely resembles any part of the conspiracy will validate your beliefs. Not only that, you never examine the "evidence" with any skepticism, and instead accept it at face value, for if you apply skepticism and doubt and put it to the test then it might no longer support your theory. And we just can't have any of that.
The Protocols can be slightly edited, same as they were for the Jews, and apply them to nearly any period in history. The Ancient Greeks, the Roman Empire, certainly the British Colonial Period. You can apply them very neatly to the Chinese government right now.
The Protocols is all about controlling people, and anyone who wants to, or does, fits
The Protocols.
So, it's not that they are becoming true, it's that they have always been true, regardless of who they are edited to be about.
The advent of the internet kinda hard to censor makes them availble now..That is why they are trying to deny it all..
First of all, they are denying it all because it's all a fabrication. Secondly, do you have any idea how many times
The Protocols have been published over the years, and in how many translations? Without even looking I'll bet you can order a copy of it from Amazon right now. It was printed just a few years ago in a Muslim newspaper out of New Jersey, IIRC (wait a minute, I thought the Jews controlled the media?). We studied it in junior high school. Everyone has studied it. It's been uber available since it was first published.
The Internet, actually, makes a case-closed argument about Jewish control of the media. Yes, Jews make up a large percentage of people in power and controlling positions of the media. But that doesn't mean anything. You might THINK it does, but it doesn't. Not that I'm giving it one ounce of credibility, but
The Protocols (
Dialogue in Hell more specifically) talks about controlling the press and the flow of information, not about "the media". "The media" is a term that didn't even exist when any of these works were written. It was the press, and it was word of mouth, that was it.
But, for argument's sake and the intellectual exercise, what does "control of the media" actually mean? Does it mean controlling a large part of the media, or does it mean all of it? It's hard to have complete and total domination with something as pesky as the Internet running wild. Just ask the Chinese government, where they censor the Internet so severely that you wouldn't even recognize it. They even censored the media during the Olympics.
Do the Jews control the media, or do they merely influence that part of the media they do control? Or are they just in it for the money? Jews have certainly never avoided collecting coin of the realm, that's for sure. There are two plausible possibilities (well, more than just two, but let's keep it simple) for Jews to be in positions of power in the media. But first, do keep in mind that Jews are rarely in a controlling position of the small market media, like hometown newspapers, etc. They go where the big markets are, there the money is. So, the possibilities are that they are in it for the money, or they are in it to control it as a part of world domination.
Since
The Protocols are, in fact, a total fabrication from the mind of an antisemitic fool, and there is no compelling hard evidence whatsoever of a grand conspiracy of Zionist domination, then one simply cannot intelligently conclude that they are trying to control the media
in order to control the world. All other pleas about Federal Reserve Banks and the like fall into the same category, actually, as the reasonings behind all of it is all conjecture, supposition, pure belief and circumstantial. And once
The Protocols crumble under irrefutable evidence of fraud, every claim based on
The Protocols is bogus and likewise crumbles away to dust.
I think they're in it for the money. They have a history of money (the diamond trade), but they don't have a history of domination, of the world or of anything else, except, of course, the domination of money.
Greg came with a different schmooze denying them then you did..Who should I believe? How or why should I?
Schmooze, that's a Yiddish word, didja know that? You shouldn't believe Greg or me. You should look at the evidence and believe the truth. It just so happens that I'm telling the truth.
I already answered the antisemtic question....The Zionist Khazar is no more semetic then you or I.They are nothing but converted Slavs/Mongols..Converted to judaism instead of Islam or Christianity.
Who cares? The point is, if you continue to believe a lie based upon a another lie, this lie in particular, even when the truth is pointed out to you, you are either antisemitic or without intelligence. Forrest Gump put it rather well. Stupid is as stupid does. Don't be stupid.
I really don't think I am gullable..
That's the motto they recite at Gullible Anonymous meetings. They make you raise your right hand, and place your left hand on a copy of
The Protocols, and then you say
that.
I look at the left and the right then try to figure out what is down the middle to get the truth.
That's your problem right there. The truth
is what it
is. It might be in the middle, it might not be. Don't expect the truth to be
anywhere, but look for it
everywhere. In the case of
The Protocols, the truth lies
elsewhere.
Again if the they are fake or forged why is it they are coming true more and more every day?
Because the more things change, the more they stay the same. They aren't coming true more and more, they have always been true, and they always will. I don't mean
The Protocols are coming true, by any stretch, but that the coincidences and parallels are, and always have been true, of the Zions, of the Jews, of the Chinese, of Microsoft, of Alexander the Great, of anyone who wants or has power and control on any level. If the Jews don't have control of the media, someone else will, and they'll fit
The Protocols, too. If you want to the Jews to fit, viola! they fit. It's that simple. And it's that meaningless.
And actually I didn't even know about till about 6 months ago ..I just stumbled into them on the net..
The Internet is a magnet for wackos, lies and misinformation. And it's not just about this stuff, either. You would not believe how much anecdotal evidence is passed off as empirical evidence in the Internet. There's a whole boatload of stuff I know little or nothing about, but I'll go toe-to-toe with anyone on the details of the physical layout and burning of a CD, and in the details of how wet cell, hybrid and deep cycle batteries work. Most of the Web sites that detail what happens with a CD is just plain wrong, and don't get me started on batteries, as almost everything out there is either wrong or misleading, yet all of it is passed off as stone-cold fact. But people read it on the Internet and they believe it.
Good rule of thumb is don't believe anything you read on the Internet at first. And just because you can find it in a bazillion other places on the net with Google doesn't make it any more true. The Internet is the funny papers. There is a lot of really good, accurate information to be found on the Internet, but the key to it all is being able to separate out the loonies from the toonies.
Did have some knowledge of the Kosher Tax scam/shakedown.
Please don't. Just don't. The Kosher Tax scam is a scam on those who believe the Kosher Tax is a scam. I spent 16 years in the foodservice industry, and was brutally trained by a classic French chef that makes that chick chef in "Ratatouille" look like a little baby. If you even new what the certification was all about and how much (or, rather, how little) it adds to the cost of foods you'd laugh at your gullibility on this issue.
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Controll our politics....I proved that with the Clinton Appointments[.....]and remember they are 3 percent of the population..I thought the USA Government was by and for the people.Not just for 3 percent of the population..I can post how many with Dual Citizenship....
Jews have always be drawn to (or excel at, whichever you prefer) politics, the law, medicine, merchandising, money. They gravitate towards these things, and many are pushed in that direction by their parents. It's cultural. Asians excel at math and science in the US. Why? They make up a very small percentage of the population, but have a stupendous majority of the science and technology jobs here and abroad. What does that mean? Is there some super sekrit Asian manifesto entitled "Control the Sciences, Control the World" floating around out there just under the radar in the shadows? Indians dominate the hospitality industry, Koreans control the nail salon industry, and they are even less of a percentage. The adult entertainment industry is utterly dominated by blue-eyed blonds named Tonya. Blacks make up 20% of the population, yet they are 90% of the Final Four. Why?
What more proof does any one need to awaking to fact that a certain group has taken over like George Washington and in my opinion a prophet Ben Franklin quoted and believed?
Well then, you'll love this. You've read all this stuff, and applied it today and to your own experiences and observations, which leads you to believe what you have read. You've formulated a theory and have found evidence, or at least what appears to be evidence, or at least what you'll use as evidence, to support the theory. Here's a quote from ol' Ben himself that discusses this very thing, almost as if it was written today just for this post. Read it carefully.
"The art of concluding from experience and observation consists in evaluating probabilities, in estimating if they are high or numerous enough to constitute proof. This type of calculation is more complicated and more difficult than one might think. It demands a great sagacity generally above the power of common people. The success of charlatans, sorcerors, and alchemists—and all those who abuse public credulity—is founded on errors in this type of calculation." Benjamin Franklin, 1784
He's talking about you. He talks of evaluating probabilities to try and figure out if a probability or a set of probabilities is high enough, or if there are enough of them, to equal proof of something. Circumstantial evidence, as in the case of Jews controlling the media, must be evaluated as to the probability that they
are doing so as part of the master plan to control the world. They are most definitely in control of a large percentage of the media, of that there is no doubt, but other than that, what, exactly, does it tell us, without us making other assumptions? And what if the assumptions are wrong, and we base our conclusions on those wrong assumptions?
And about when did they really get complete media control? The last 40 years?
You think they have "complete" media control? Control of all of the media, of all the the flow of information, of the Internet, of YouTube? Of me, of you? They aren't even close.
And don't tell me why don't you leave..Why should I leave? Id rather fight the invading parasites off.
Invading parasites? Did you know that until someone, somewhere, decided to tell the faithful followers to quit eating pork, that people were dying all over the place from trichinosis, caused by the parasite
Trichinella spiralis? It's very rare today and is not found in any commercial pork. Some people still think you can get trichinosis from eating undercooked pork, though. Silly. (That's a classic example of a parable.)
No friend I give you the benifit of the doubt you were not trying to insult me...well at least not like Greg does anyway
Not trying to insult you at all. Just trying to beat you over the head with the truth and maybe a little common sense.
