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[Humble2drive]

Works so well in Scandinavia they have some of the highest suicide rates on earth.

When you start making up information and spouting incorrect information then you lose all credibility. Congratulations, you have reached that point.
Scandinavia does NOT have some of the highest suicide rates, not even close.
I had the pleasure of living, working and playing in Norway for several years. The people were there worked hard and played hard. I had a Norwegian doctor and dentist who did a good job. I never saw a homeless person and crime was low.

"Once again, Norwegians rank among the happiest people in the world, behind only their fellow Nordic neighbours in Denmark and Finland. The latest Gallup World Poll indicates . . ."

"Norway was the only country that could boast zero percent suffering."

Norwegians among world’s happiest : Views and News from Norway

I am not promoting Norway or socialism. Just pointing out that your argument for free market capitalism is not bolstered by trying to present socialism as an evil failure at all levels.
Btw- If you are going to use the argument that somehow the success of an economic system can be judged by their rate of suicide then consider the fact that Egypt and Pakistan are among the lowest.

Socialism assumes that people are incapable to fending for themselves.

It makes no such assumptions. Those are your assumptions.
Socialism is integrated into economic and governmental systems at different levels in many different countries. You seem to lump any and all variations of socialistic programs with Marxism and Communism.

If socialism is SO good, why must it ALWAYS require the FORCE of law to make it work?

It doesn't.

There can be little debate that capitalism is the most successful economic system to raise the standards of living; however, no system is perfect and one of the side effects is a large disparity in income levels leaving a huge gap between the rich and the poor.
Long before you or I were born, the American people found that disparity in America to be unacceptable and incongruent with being the greatest country on the planet. This made the integration of socialistic programs like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. a tolerable alternative.

I agree with you that it has gone too far and it should be not only be stopped at this point but scaled back.
I also agree that neither candidate has a viable solution.
But, if you truly think that we will become a Marxist society then you have little faith in our founders and the checks and balances that are a part of our system.
As others have stated. If you believe that Obama is the worst of the two evils then you must internalize the fact that if you do not vote for either candidate then that will have the same effect as voting for Obama.

 

[cheri1122]

Hey Humble: one of my uncles married a lovely woman from Norway. I believe she was happy, but once she got the West Virginia accent mixed in with the Norwegian, I couldn't understand half of what she said, lol.
She made some excellent tamater sammiches, though!
Seriously: comparisons between countries don't hold up, because of the different cultures and histories involved. We need to find what works for the US, because that's what we've got to live with, not Greece or Norway.

 

[AMonger]

3: Europe in general, and Greece in particular are always mentioned - how come no one ever mentions the Scandinavian countries, where it's working pretty dam well?[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR]

Some say socialism is wrong because it doesn't work, when the fact is, socialism doesn't work because it's wrong. It's morally wrong, it's ethically wrong, it's logistically, practically, and mathematically wrong. It's a system based on sloth and envy, and funded through theft.
It's wrong, and can never be made right because its first principles are wrong.

 

[xiggi]

Hey Humble: one of my uncles married a lovely woman from Norway. I believe she was happy, but once she got the West Virginia accent mixed in with the Norwegian, I couldn't understand half of what she said, lol.
She made some excellent tamater sammiches, though!
Seriously: comparisons between countries don't hold up, because of the different cultures and histories involved. We need to find what works for the US, because that's what we've got to live with, not Greece or Norway.

We found what works for America just to bad we lost it.

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[Humble2drive]

Some say socialism is wrong because it doesn't work, when the fact is, socialism doesn't work because it's wrong. It's morally wrong, it's ethically wrong, it's logistically, practically, and mathematically wrong. It's a system based on sloth and envy, and funded through theft.
It's wrong, and can never be made right because its first principles are wrong.

Your rant is difficult to comprehend so . . .

 

[21cExp]

Add the fact that they are tied to Greece because of the Euro, and they have basically the same monetary problems.

Just as a point of clarity, only Finland among the Scandinavian countries uses the Euro. Sweden, Norway, Denmark, and Iceland (included in Scandinavia by some) do not.

 

[AMonger]

Your rant is difficult to comprehend so . . .

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It's actually easy to comprehend...for most people. If I couldn't comprehend something so basic, I don't think I'd say so in public.

 

[EASYTRADER]

Other than Norway, the Scandinavian countries are all broke as well, Norway pays its bills with massive governemnt owned oil industry.

I think you are confussing, in Default now, like greece, spain and italy, with countries that are soon to default. Only the timing is in question not the result.

Also, some countries have been socialist totalitarian states longer, the older the system the nearer to default. The Netherlands has to kill its elderly becuase they cant afford the health care, pensioners are afriad to go to the hospital because they dont want to get euthanised.

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[Ragman]

The Netherlands has to kill its elderly becuase they cant afford the health care, pensioners are afriad to go to the hospital because they dont want to get euthanised.

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Do you really believe such nonsense?

 

[Humble2drive]

Other than Norway, the Scandinavian countries are all broke as well . . .
The Netherlands . . .

Where do you get your information?

The Netherlands is not a Scandinavian country.

Scandinavia is made up of Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Finland.

Forecast for Scandinavia:

Economic Growth
"The regional economy grew by a healthy 2.5% in2011, but lost momentum towards the end of the year. Growth is expected to slow down in 2012, but contraction is not anticipated for any of the Nordic countries. GDP is forecasted to rebound to some 2% in 2013. *Public finances remain relatively well contained and all maintained triple-A ratings on government debt. With the current European crisis in full motion, the Nordic economies offer an alternative to the major European markets. "
A look at the Scandinavia Economies | PRLog

Perhaps you are thinking about the downfall of Iceland which is sometimes included with Scandinavia?Funny thing is that Iceland made the fateful decision to follow the U.S. Model of deregulation and privatized their banks. Greed set in and the bankers decided to play like Americans, mansions, jets, etc. Result was 100 billion in debt in a country that has a GDP of only 13 billion. They had no clue that the U.S. Economy was on the verge of imploding so they imploded with us. That was capitalism not socialism.

 

[layoutshooter]

Since when is 2% considered healthy growth? 2% is pretty pathetic growth. That is about what we have here now. That will not do ANYTHING to stop job losses. We need more like a minimum of 5% to even start to bring us out of this. That is just ONE of the reasons Europe is such a mess. They have been hanging around that lousy 2% forever.

 

[cheri1122]

I just stumbled onto a terrific site: Occupy the Boardroom. It's entirely composed of letters written by regular people to the 1%, expressing their true feelings. [Without swearing!!!!] Some are hilarious, others thoughtful, or just outraged, but I think it proves that most of the OWS folks aren't freeloaders or 'gimme goobers' or even the dim bulbs they're often dismissed as being, just people with some very good reasons to be angry.
I'm working on a letter too: about what I think of 5th 3rd Bank [were they confused, when they named it, or what? ] charging me a $35.00 overdraft fee on a .35 cent 'convenience' fee - just as soon as I figure out how many times they did it. The bank statements couldn't be any more confusing if they tried - and I'm pretty sure they did.

 

[bobwg]

I just stumbled onto a terrific site: Occupy the Boardroom. It's entirely composed of letters written by regular people to the 1%, expressing their true feelings. [Without swearing!!!!] Some are hilarious, others thoughtful, or just outraged, but I think it proves that most of the OWS folks aren't freeloaders or 'gimme goobers' or even the dim bulbs they're often dismissed as being, just people with some very good reasons to be angry.
I'm working on a letter too: about what I think of 5th 3rd Bank [were they confused, when they named it, or what? ] charging me a $35.00 overdraft fee on a .35 cent 'convenience' fee - just as soon as I figure out how many times they did it. The bank statements couldn't be any more confusing if they tried - and I'm pretty sure they did.

Gee just a thought but if you dont like the bank charges go some where else no one forces you to to business with the bank you might try a credit union

 

[Humble2drive]

It's actually easy to comprehend...for most people. If I couldn't comprehend something so basic, I don't think I'd say so in public.

I understand that you understand your post and therefore believe that since you understand it that everybody should understand it eventhough it has many un understandable parts to it that I don't understand.
Your right, just a basic misunderstanding over something very basic.
Glad we cleared this up in public.

 

[cheri1122]

Gee just a thought but if you dont like the bank charges go some where else no one forces you to to business with the bank you might try a credit union

Gee, just a thought, but do you suppose I'm too dumb to have thought of that all by my little self?

 

[cheri1122]

I understand that you understand your post and therefore believe that since you understand it that everybody should understand it eventhough it has many un understandable parts to it that I don't understand.
Your right, just a basic misunderstanding over something very basic.
Glad we cleared this up in public.

Wait - why can't I 'like' this? It's funny, and I liked it! I have a 'giant like' thingie in my docs, but that's not the point - why is it missing?

 

[layoutshooter]

I just stumbled onto a terrific site: Occupy the Boardroom. It's entirely composed of letters written by regular people to the 1%, expressing their true feelings. [Without swearing!!!!] Some are hilarious, others thoughtful, or just outraged, but I think it proves that most of the OWS folks aren't freeloaders or 'gimme goobers' or even the dim bulbs they're often dismissed as being, just people with some very good reasons to be angry.
I'm working on a letter too: about what I think of 5th 3rd Bank [were they confused, when they named it, or what? ] charging me a $35.00 overdraft fee on a .35 cent 'convenience' fee - just as soon as I figure out how many times they did it. The bank statements couldn't be any more confusing if they tried - and I'm pretty sure they did.

Well let's see, Obama is now worth 12 MILLION dollars, that makes HIM part of the 'so-called' one percent. Bet he don't listen. As to this whole 1% vs. 99%, it's bull. OWS or OBR people do NOT represent 99% of the nation, not even close. They don't represent me or many in here. I would be surprised if THEY even represent 1%.

AS to your bank, change. We STILL have that option. We don't bank at a national chain bank. We bank at a locally owned bank. We have the same loan officer every time we do business. We KNOW people there on a social basis. In a free society we have the option to do business with whom ever we please.

 

[cheri1122]

Also, some countries have been socialist totalitarian states longer, the older the system the nearer to default. The Netherlands has to kill its elderly becuase they cant afford the health care, pensioners are afriad to go to the hospital because they dont want to get euthanised.

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Absolute hogwash - where do you come up with such codswallop?!

 

[bobwg]

Gee, just a thought, but do you suppose I'm too dumb to have thought of that all by my little self?

I dont know you dont say your changing over to a credit union or considering making the change. You only complain about the bank charging you a fee when you dont have the money in your account to cover the other fee they charged. Lets see they charged you .35 cents fee you dont have the money for that fee so they charge you an overdraft fee I think if you read the bank rules it says anytime your account is overdrawn they get to charge you the fee no matter how small the amount is that you are overdrawn.

 

[cheri1122]

Well let's see, Obama is now worth 12 MILLION dollars, that makes HIM part of the 'so-called' one percent. Bet he don't listen. As to this whole 1% vs. 99%, it's bull. OWS or OBR people do NOT represent 99% of the nation, not even close. They don't represent me or many in here. I would be surprised if THEY even represent 1%.

Try something different: read the content before saying what you think about it.

AS to your bank, change. We STILL have that option. We don't bank at a national chain bank. We bank at a locally owned bank. We have the same loan officer every time we do business. We KNOW people there on a social basis. In a free society we have the option to do business with whom ever we please.

Already switched, thanks. Spent a month juggling money from old to new to ensure that anything deducted from either would be covered before finally sending written notice of intent to close, and got a notice back stating I owe them $76. There was no explanation, and I can't get anyone on the phone, [don't ask how many times I've called, or hours on hold, or being transferred & 'disconnected', either] or access the account online, because I closed it - right.
A freedom we don't have, though, for all practical purposes, is to avoid dealing with banks. We don't get paid in cash, so we need a bank to convert our 'pay' into usable funds, which makes us a captive audience.
Further, just like DAC [which recently paid a huge fine for disregarding the laws and screwing people's records {and any chance of employment along with it} the bank can put a ding on your record that prevents you from opening an account anywhere else - the classic Catch 22.
BANKS ROB PEOPLE, not vice versa, and I've been saying that for decades - the others are just catching on.