Marijuana = alcohol

[asjssl]

Sure kids should not be smoking....or drinking...but as an adult I should be able to get high if I choose...I'm not a pot smoker...but if you want to get high so be it...alcohol is okay with society ...why...$$$$$$$$

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[layoutshooter]

Do you have a drink of alcohol on occasion??? So your bad thing is better than someone else's?? Like my god is better than your god...pretty hypocritical if you ask me

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I don't think you read what I said. Try reading it again, slower. LOL!

 

[zorry]

Im sure it does cause some brain damage

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I like when a guy can prove his point.

 

[asjssl]

I don't think you read what I said. Try reading it again, slower. LOL!

I did miss that...had posts flipped flopped...oooppsy

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[layoutshooter]

I did miss that...had posts flipped flopped...oooppsy

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LOL! NO problem! We all do it!

 

[Turtle]

Because someone is an expert in smoking Phily blunts (Barry) doesn't mean they know what they are talking about when discussing the dangers of it. To downplay the dangers of it is irresponsible. If its going to be legal at least inform the public correctly of the impact it could have on a person. Instead of giving false information because Barry wants to pander to a constituency or change the law because he sees some racial injustice in it.
New Study Claims Marijuana Damages Brain for Life | The Fix

Did he downplay the dangers of it? No. Did he give false information about it? No.

What did he say, exactly? Well, he said, exactly...

"As has been well documented, I smoked pot as a kid, and I view it as a bad habit and a vice, not very different from the cigarettes that I smoked as a young person up through a big chunk of my adult life. I don't think it is more dangerous than alcohol." (emphasis mine)

As a follow up question, he was asked, "Is it less dangerous?" (emphasis the interviewer)

Less dangerous, he said, "in terms of its impact on the individual consumer. It's not something I encourage, and I've told my daughters I think it's a bad idea, a waste of time, not very healthy." (emphasis mine)

No downplayed dangers, no false information.

However, we now get a handy-dandy, just-in-the-nick-of-time study that shows heavy, chronic pot smoking during the teen years of neurodevelopment causes brain underdevelopment. And, it immediately gets reported as "smoking pot causes causes brain damage for life," even though that's not what the study shows at all.

Did you know that heavy, chronic alcohol consumption during the teen years of neurodevelopment causes brain underdevelopment, toooo?

That study used people diagnosed with cannabis use disorder, which is defined as being cannabis dependent requiring treatment. It's the same thing as being diagnosed as an alcoholic.

70% of American adults always drink at low-risk levels or do not drink at all. (Thirty-five percent of Americans do not consume alcohol.) About 28% of American adults drink at levels that put them at risk for alcohol dependence and alcohol-related problems.

50 percent of people who start drinking before age 14 become alcohol dependent. When they start drinking between the ages of 14 and 21 the numbers fall to 28 percent. If they start drinking after age 21 the number falls to 9 percent. The numbers for cannabis dependency are 9 percent across the board, regardless of the age they first started smoking pot.

 

[muttly]

Did he downplay the dangers of it? No. Did he give false information about it? No.

What did he say, exactly? Well, he said, exactly...

"As has been well documented, I smoked pot as a kid, and I view it as a bad habit and a vice, not very different from the cigarettes that I smoked as a young person up through a big chunk of my adult life. I don't think it is more dangerous than alcohol." (emphasis mine)

As a follow up question, he was asked, "Is it less dangerous?" (emphasis the interviewer)

Less dangerous, he said, "in terms of its impact on the individual consumer. It's not something I encourage, and I've told my daughters I think it's a bad idea, a waste of time, not very healthy." (emphasis mine)

No downplayed dangers, no false information.

However, we now get a handy-dandy, just-in-the-nick-of-time study that shows heavy, chronic pot smoking during the teen years of neurodevelopment causes brain underdevelopment. And, it immediately gets reported as "smoking pot causes causes brain damage for life," even though that's not what the study shows at all.

Did you know that heavy, chronic alcohol consumption during the teen years of neurodevelopment causes brain underdevelopment, toooo?

That study used people diagnosed with cannabis use disorder, which is defined as being cannabis dependent requiring treatment. It's the same thing as being diagnosed as an alcoholic.

70% of American adults always drink at low-risk levels or do not drink at all. (Thirty-five percent of Americans do not consume alcohol.) About 28% of American adults drink at levels that put them at risk for alcohol dependence and alcohol-related problems.

50 percent of people who start drinking before age 14 become alcohol dependent. When they start drinking between the ages of 14 and 21 the numbers fall to 28 percent. If they start drinking after age 21 the number falls to 9 percent. The numbers for cannabis dependency are 9 percent across the board, regardless of the age they first started smoking pot.

Sure he down played it. By saying it is LESS dangerous for the INDIVIDUAL consumer. Barry talks about his past toking days and then gives his 'expert' opinion about how it is LESS dangerous. Tell that to the young kids who were told by their peers that reefers won't hurt them. It will only make you sleepy and crave gut grenades from White Castle, but not cause at the very least brain damage that lasts 'a few years'. Interesting that you mentioned how alcohol causes brain damage tooo. Not necessarily disputing that. Only saying according to the study that Gonja causes brain damage. You seem to imply some kind of conspiracy with this study as if it was hodge podged together and agenda driven to thwart pot legalization. Again Barry speaking authoritatively telling people it is LESS dangerous. Even when there are studies that say it causes brain damage. Very irresponsible.

 

[davekc]

I am probably a little more progressive on this verses some other things. We already have laws on the books for driving impaired and all that. Granted many local governments make money off of the fines but to what end? Should a person have a criminal record due to possession? I just don't see the value in it.
We spend billions on the "war on drugs" and it has been nothing but a failure. A complete waste of money and resources. I think as a nation we have much bigger problems and this is way down the list of things to focus on. If we are to focus on the drug trade, I would just limit it to the hard narcotics.

 

[Turtle]

I'm not implying any kind of conspiracy, I'm implying a mass failure of people to comprehend what they read. Barry's statement was highly qualified, not a matter-of-fact statement. He didn't downplay the dangers at all. He said it's less dangerous to the individual consumer, which is true, because no one has ever died of a pot overdose, yet scores of teens die every year of alcohol poisoning. In fact, he stated that he thought it wasn't healthy, and he thinks it's a bad idea. I'm surprised you didn't catch that when you read it. Or, if you did, I'm not sure how you can conclude him saying that he doesn't encourage it, that it's a bad idea, and that it's not healthy is somehow downplaying it. It's certainly a far more realistic take on it than the numbnuts who classified it as a Schedule I drug.

It also seems that you read the headline of the article, stopped there, and just went with it ("Only saying according to the study that Gonja causes brain damage.") because that's not what they article says. The article is very specific and highly qualified, which you seem to want to ignore. The article states that pot causes brain damage for life, but only in those who were chronic, heavy pot smokers in their teens. That's not an indictment against pot, that's an indictment against overuse and abuse of pot when you're in your teens. To extrapolate that any further and start drawing conclusions is irresponsible. Very.

 

[layoutshooter]

Why is "Littla Barry" even commenting on this in the first place? It has NOTHING to do with his job in ANY way shape or for and it should have NEVER been a federal issue in the first place. He is no expert, other than being a, or a former, pot head and has NO scientific standing on the subject.

 

[Turtle]

Why is "Littla Barry" even commenting on this in the first place?

Because he was asked about it by David Remnick in an interview for The New Yorker magazine. It's a pretty long piece, with only a small snippet of it dealing with pot.

 

[layoutshooter]

Because he was asked about it by David Remnick in an interview for The New Yorker magazine. It's a pretty long piece, with only a small snippet of it dealing with pot.

In that case he SHOULD have said that it was not something that a president of the United States should be addressing and left it at that.

 

[muttly]

Turtle, I'm not ignoring his quotes and the article. I"m not necessarily against it being legal. I agree money should be probably spent on other law enforcement issues. Never smoked pot,but always heard from those that did and in general that there are no health hazards. Study shows otherwise whether it is long term or not. Curious what a heavy user would be? Every day or more. Would seem like a lot would fall into that category. Not irresponsible in the least to extrapolate that a president should be more informed and mention the hazards of smoking pot.(Brain damage) I guess he figured if he did, it would be less likely to become legal.

 

[davekc]

I think he addressed it as well as he could.

 

[layoutshooter]

I think he addressed it as well as he could.

It certainly helps to explain his inability to think like a mature, competent adult. Seeing that picture goes a LONG way to understanding his "economic" policies. One would have to be "high as a kite" to come up with the crap he comes up with.

 

[BobWolf]

New driving team.

Cheech & Chong - Up In Smoke - Funniest Scenes - YouTube

 

[Turtle]

Curious what a heavy user would be? Every day or more. Would seem like a lot would fall into that category.

It's someone who has cannabis abuse disorder, and got it when they were in their teens.

Don't forget that only 9 percent of pot smokers ever develop cannabis abuse disorder, regardless of when they first started smoking it. And of all of those, the only ones with permanent or long-lasting brain damage are the percentage of those 9 percent who actually developed the disorder while they were in their teens. When you start talking about percents of percents, the numbers drop off rapidly.

Not irresponsible in the least to extrapolate that a president should be more informed and mention the hazards of smoking pot.(Brain damage)

It's very irresponsible, because you're characterizing it, misleading people, intentionally or otherwise. You said it right there, that one of the hazards of smoking pot is brain damage. But for the average consumer it does not, and there have not been any studies that show that it does. You seems to think that if you smoke pot you will have brain damage. I don't know where you got that from. It certainly wasn't from the article you linked. The article shows a connection between pot and brain damage, but only under certain narrow and specific conditions, of which the average consumer isn't a part.

I've never drank and I've never smoked a joint (or any part thereof). So, it's not like I have a vested interest in this or anything. The only interest I have in this is personal liberty. I believe that as an adult you should be able to put into your body anything you want, be it alcohol, pot, a high fructose corn syrup Big Gulp, Lortab, salted bacon, or drain cleaner.

 

[muttly]

I never mislead anyone. Does smoking marijuana cause brain damage? Yes or no?

 

[layoutshooter]

"a high fructose corn syrup Big Gulp, Lortab, salted bacon, or drain cleaner."


Must be talking about a dinner at a TA

 

[RLENT]

I never mislead anyone.

LOL ... I just spit my drink all over my keyboard.