Man forced son to carry 23# rock

LDB

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I haven't read the book so I don't know if it's true or just something they put in the movie. I imagine each rail was probably at least 30 feet long, or 1200 pounds at 10 yards at 120# per yard. Granted there were 4 of them and they didn't just carry it. The point is that 23 pounds isn't all that much weight. I suspect many juvenile males voluntarily do the equivalent and more, the key being voluntarily. Now that we've opened the door we'll be going next from the dad made him do it to the dad allowed him to do it and must be punished for not stopping the kid from overdoing things.
 

layoutshooter

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I haven't read the book so I don't know if it's true or just something they put in the movie. I imagine each rail was probably at least 30 feet long, or 1200 pounds at 10 yards at 120# per yard. Granted there were 4 of them and they didn't just carry it. The point is that 23 pounds isn't all that much weight. I suspect many juvenile males voluntarily do the equivalent and more, the key being voluntarily. Now that we've opened the door we'll be going next from the dad made him do it to the dad allowed

I am guessing on the rail used. It was not a passenger line. It was a freight line, carrying mainly coal etc. They were not high speed lines, anywhere in coal country I have been in. We used 120LB rail at the mill, low speed, heavy freight. It lasts longer that lighter weight rail. That is why I am assuming 120LB rail. It's been kind of "standard" rail for that use, for a very long time.
 

RLENT

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I cannot imagine a normal kid, when kids were kids instead of couch potatoes, NOT being able to lift, and carry, AT LEAST 50% of their weight, most more.
That kids was only 3 years younger than most who got drafted in my day. IF they could not carry 23lbs, by 16, they would likely have MUCH trouble in basic training.

Kids built forts, tree houses, carried rocks, and who knows what else?

I wonder if that kid was on drugs given to him by a shrink?
It's a reasonable question ...

Another thing I'd be wondering is whether there isn't a medical issue involved ... being as the kid apparently has a BMI of 40.5 which I believe translates into "severely obese" ...

Could be a serious health issue involved ... one which might be aggravated by overexertion ... and which could be potentially fatal ...

Of course, this (BMI) places this particular child into the category of "not normal" ...
 
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zorry

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Well, that kid better start paying attention to his studies.
Or he'll grow up and have to drive truck.
In which case his parents ought to help him work on that BMI.
 

layoutshooter

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Well, that kid better start paying attention to his studies.
Or he'll grow up and have to drive truck.
In which case his parents ought to help him work on that BMI.

That kid better be paying attention or he will end up in jail. Sounds like he needed his butt kicked a LONG time ago. Yeah, gotta worry about all those in here with college degrees who are driving trucks. Sounds like paying attention to studies has little to do with why people go into this.
 

zorry

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After my wife got her CDL, as she had given her notice to end her 27 year teaching career, a parent said to their child in a Parent-Teacher conference " Do you want to grow up stupid and have to drive a truck all your life ?"

The principal quickly shot a look at my wife who just smiled.
 

layoutshooter

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Everyone is here for their own reasons. Formal education, or lack of it, is hardly a defining factor.
 

RLENT

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ROTFLMAO ...

Seems like the kid might just be a tad bit smarter than dear old Dad ... apparently on at least one occassion, he got the Domino's Pizza delivery driver to give him a ride ...

Many parents struggle with finding the appropriate discipline for their teens. But a Douglasville father is facing charges after repeatedly forcing his 16-year-old to walk more than three miles while carrying a 25-pound landscape brick in the heat of the day.

Investigators say the man called the punishment for his 4-2, 135-pound son "Walking the Green Mile."

Charlie Mayes, 40, of Douglasville was charged with first degree child cruelty and made his first court appearance Monday in Douglas County Magistrate Court for a bond hearing.

According to the arrest warrant that was read aloud by Judge Joel Dodson, Mayes made his son walk from Kings Highway to his home in The Fairways once on Friday, twice on Saturday and again on Sunday. Each time Mayes required his son to carry a concrete block used for landscaping that law enforcement officials say weighed about 25 pounds.

Reports indicate that the punishment was a result of the child watching YouTube videos when he was supposed to be working and not completing educational assignments that his father assigned. The punishment was reported by Domino's pizza delivery driver Joshua Burnette who had seen the obviously exhausted boy and asked if he needed help.

"I got to work and saw him there and I asked if he was alright," Burnete said. "I know now he was 16, but he is a little guy, I thought he must be about 9 or 10 at the most. He was sweating, dirty and was obviously tired. He asked if I could give him a ride so I checked with my boss and he said it was OK. He picked up this massive brick and asked if he could put in in the truck.

"I thought that was strange, but when I took him down that way he asked me to drop him off and I did. He didn't say much but when he got out he just stood there."

Burnette said that a few hours later with temperatures near 90, he saw the boy again along Kings Highway. That's when he said he knew something wasn't right. After quizzing the boy, he found out it was punishment and that he had to do the walk with the brick in two hours or less or he would have to do it all over again.

"I know that punishment is something we have all had to deal with, from spankings to maybe cutting the grass," Burnette said. "But to walk that far, with no water or money to get something to drink in the heat of the day? I'm a grown man and I don't think I could do that in two hours. I didn't know what to do, but I called the police and just let them know what was going on and they took it from there.

Mayes, an military veteran with no prior criminal history, said that his son has a history of trouble in school dating back three years. This year, Mayes said they decided to home school the victim, but claims the issues continued.

"I had tried everything else and noting seemed to work," Mayes told Dodson in his bond hearing. "I know it may be an adult punishment and he is a 16-year-old boy. It was something we did when I was in the military. The sergeant would have us move rocks. I know how it sounds, but we did that all the time."

Mayes tried to justify his discipline by saying that he checked on his son and walked with him at times.

Lt. Steven Morris of the Douglasville Police Department said that the issues were the time, distance, the route and the temperature.

"We are talking about a boy who is very small, and I saw the brick, it was at least 25 pounds," Morris said. "We are talking about more than three miles of very busy roads often in the heat of the day. That puts the child in danger in so many ways. Traffic, physical exhaustion and all for basically being a teenager."

Morris said at about 2 a.m. on Sunday morning, officers were working a DUI traffic accident and while officers were involved with that, the boy and his father walked by the scene. The boy was seen carrying something.

"When the report came in our guys realized that they had seen this the night before," Morris said. "Right there on the dashboard video they were able to identify the father and the victim walking in the middle of the night."

Investigators said that the Division of Family and Children Services has been contacted and is looking into the case.

Dodson listened to all that Mayes said, read the report and set bond at $3,500. A no harm provision was placed in bond conditions and Dodson ordered family counseling for Mayes.

Jail records show that Mayes made bond and was released from custody at 3:34 p.m. Monday.

"This is a somewhat unusual case," Dodson said. "I don't know what will work in terms of discipline for the child, but I can assure you that this isn't one of them."
UPDATE: Father's discipline - brick-toting, timed walk - leads to child cruelty charge - Douglas County Sentinel: News

Yeah, I'll bet there's a whole lot of story here that we'll probably never hear ...
 

Turtle

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Well, I certainly didn't see that mentioned anywhere in the text of the story ... maybe it's in the video portion ? (which I could not get to play)

Or in another article ?
It's in the video.

Well, I certainly hope you enjoy them ... wherever you believe that you may have found them ... ;)
Oh, I do, I do. :)

Interesting theory ... but I'm afraid it seems rather ill-considered, given that it could lead to some rather dark places ...
Because dark places aren't entered into now? A few patents will enter those dark places regardless of the law or outside interference. But a child's upbringing, including education, religion, discipline, should be at the sole discretion of the parents. Yes, I realize that such discretion can lead to some very dark places, like abuse, injury, dumber than dirt liberal morons, neoconservatives, and even religious indoctrination.
 

RLENT

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Because dark places aren't entered into now?
No ... because it has the effect of removing very significant downsides to not go down the path to the dark places ...

Children are not chattel or property ... they are, in essence, miniature human beings that have not attained full growth and maturity ... and so have not become vested in full citizenship.

To that extent, they are possessed of at least certain limited rights ... which the State has both an interest and duty in protecting.
 

layoutshooter

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You know, my grandfather on my dad's side started working, full time, in the coal mines at age 11. You can bet your boots he had to work with more than 23LBS. I think my dad started in the coal mine in 10th grade, more than 23lbs too. My grandfather on my mom's side started in the mines at 15, his father at 12. Any bets that they had to handle more than 23lbs too? That cop should be sued for false arrest. Abuse? BS.
 

Tennesseahawk

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No ... because it has the effect of removing very significant downsides to not go down the path to the dark places ...

Children are not chattel or property ... they are, in essence, miniature human beings that have not attained full growth and maturity ... and so have not become vested in full citizenship.

To that extent, they are possessed of at least certain limited rights ... which the State has both an interest and duty in protecting.

We all know they do a bang up job of that.
 

davekc

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Isn't there a story somewhere about "taking junior behind the woodshed"? Might clear all this up. :cool:
 

layoutshooter

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Isn't there a story somewhere about "taking junior behind the woodshed"? Might clear all this up. :cool:

The problem is that not enough "juniors" are not taken behind the woodshed as needed. Too many parents today are more concerned about be their children's "friends" instead of parents. They are two very different roles and when one chooses to become a parent one should accept that responsibility and parent their children. Words like, father, mother and parent are far more important when used a verbs as opposed to nouns.
 

cheri1122

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Having raised a couple of kids to adulthood, I really feel sorry for parents like the one in this story, because I know there are some 'kids' who simply cannot be 'taught'. Trained, yes, to respond out of fear, but that's not learning, it's self preservation, and the 'lessons' don't get absorbed, as real learning does.
I don't know what the answers are, they're as different as the problems, but violence and mistreatment only beget more of the same.
As several noted, there seems to be some overreaction in charging the Dad, but then, if the LEO ignored it, and the teen decided to respond with an assault rifle, what would be the verdict?
Sometimes, you just can't do anything right, sigh.
 

Turtle

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Isn't there a story somewhere about "taking junior behind the woodshed"? Might clear all this up. :cool:
Oh, no, no, no. Thanks to the State's interest and duty in protecting junior, if senior takes junior behind the woodshed he will be charged with child abuse thanks to a phone from from an anonymous tipster who believes "time out" is the most appropriate punishement for any and all child misbehaviors, and in the meantime while waiting for the trial, junior will be removed into the custody of the State. Because senior has already lost custody of junior, he must now jump through a never-ending parade of hoops to reclaim custody of junior. The trial is delayed, of course, in the hopes that senior can jump through enough hoops to reclaim custody without the need for a trial. Senior can't, of course, and the judge eventually just says, "You can't have him back."

Talk about your dark places.
 

LDB

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Yeah, you can murder them before they're born but you can't spank them after without possibly being charged with abuse.
 
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